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[Bhadra]

No, It's not been 60 years! You know why? Coz indigenous development was scrapped to favor imports. Be it the ATGM, HF-73 or anything really that falls in this category. If this attitude continues and most of the limited resources are diverted to imports (or their copies made here) it'll be 600 years and nothing will happen still. That's the bitter truth Amry loyalists avoid facing.

Fixation of ideas can offer no solutions...
Lage Raho..

 

[patriots]

seems like they have finalised the design and dimensions while mastering propulsion system. It means that it will arrive sooner than we expected.

Who knows.......

Astra was struggled a lot.....,.but the flight trial news was a surprise

 

[noobmaster69]

Fixation of ideas can offer no solutions...
Lage Raho..

And your idea of shielding the Army and its hopeless practice of importing even those items which can be made in the country and trolling the DRDO everywhere and everyway you can, is not fixed?
When you import even basic equipments that could have instead made yourself, you deplete your strained budget to a level where you do not have money left to import items which are necessary and can not be made into the country either (examples include Heavy lift helicopters, AWACS, Air to Air refullers, Transport aircraft and such). What is more important? Armed forces with the most shinny equipments in some sectors and poorly equipped in others or armed forces which are well rounded off in all the secorts with both imported and indigenous equipments (based on availability) varying from very good to average?

 

[Bhadra]

And your idea of shielding the Army and its hopeless practice of importing even those items which can be made in the country and trolling the DRDO everywhere and everyway you can, is not fixed?
When you import even basic equipments that could have instead made yourself, you deplete your strained budget to a level where you do not have money left to import items which are necessary and can not be made into the country either (examples include Heavy lift helicopters, AWACS, Air to Air refullers, Transport aircraft and such). What is more important? Armed forces with the most shinny equipments in some sectors and poorly equipped in others or armed forces which are well rounded off in all the secorts with both imported and indigenous equipments (based on availability) varying from very good to average?

I am sure we are ultimately going to land up where we started from _ Army technology and Innovation Corps.... an organization under Army or it could be a tri-service organization.

The army alone has double the trained and qualified B Techs and higher education qualified officers and manpower than DRDO The Corps of Signals itself has higher number of B Tech electronics than Wipro. Then they run three big engineering Colleges. plus one more civil Engineer college in Pune. They have Corps of Engineers and EME beside such a huge AMC. AFMC, One Civil Medical College and one Dental college . all run without govt money. Then BRO and MES two big engineering organizations which are functionally under Services...

It is just the question of changing the orientation from Combat Engineers into research engineers and adequate funding and they can be a successful Research hub. The best thing then would be that Generals would not have DRDO to blame. Generals can then boot those research fellows..

If the state of affairs continues this way .. it is going to happen. I think IA and IAF may follow the lead from IN and break free from DRDO.

DARPA by themselves do not carry out any research. Still, they are the most successful research organization.

 

[fire starter]

I am sure we are ultimately going to land up where we started from _ Army technology and Innovation Corps.... an organization under Army or it could be a tri-service organization.

The army alone has double the trained and qualified B Techs and higher education qualified officers and manpower than DRDO The Corps of Signals itself has higher number of B Tech electronics than Wipro. Then they run three big engineering Colleges. plus one more civil Engineer college in Pune. They have Corps of Engineers and EME beside such a huge AMC. AFMC, One Civil Medical College and one Dental college . all run without govt money. Then BRO and MES two big engineering organizations which are functionally under Services...

It is just the question of changing the orientation from Combat Engineers into research engineers and adequate funding and they can be a successful Research hub. The best thing then would be that Generals would not have DRDO to blame. Generals can then boot those research fellows..

If the state of affairs continues this way .. it is going to happen. I think IA and IAF may follow the lead from IN and break free from DRDO.

DARPA by themselves do not carry out any research. Still, they are the most successful research organization.

IN is only having their own design bureau they are still dependent on DRDO and moreover who will give money for R&D if army wants it's own dedicated lab.

 

[another_armchair]

Theek hai ... budget is low.. there are problems.. so on and so on, Agreed..

But do not block the import of Missiles and disarm Indian Army... simple

Could you tell me what missile project did the Indian Scientist start with in 1963 - 64 ? And then When the integrated Missile development program started on 1983 was Nag part of it or not ? Was it envisaged that time to be a vehicle launched or helicopter launched missile? What was the original requirement of anti-tank missiles?

Sixty years after you are raising questions about QSR etc ... shameful.. DRDO ontheir own wanted to make Hellfire and in the process fucked everything..



Oh yah... Now Indian Army will cover up inefficiency of our scientist by firing two missiles one for beyond 200m and another for below 200m.
Tell me what are the issues involved in the minimum range and I will give you te solutions..
Tell me if a second-generation MACLOs missile is good enough for IA. Fine, then MoD should disband DRDO.. why should we require them...



Missile has become a basic infantry weapon the worldover (MPATGM) so much so that the world had progressed to missiles being used as LAWS. you are questioning requirements of missile very very late in historical times..

Naach Na Jaane Aangan Teda...

Is this a pitch for Javelin or?

 

[another_armchair]

Ghabra mat.. Spike bhi hai. It will work under extreme conditions like Dalla smokescreen too.

 

[Bhadra]

Is this a pitch for Javelin or?

Ghabra mat.. Spike bhi hai. It will work under extreme conditions like Dalla smokescreen too.

This kind of lowly acts can not should not deter the forces to prepare for war. then be it Javeklins or Spikes..

War is too dangerous for armed Forces as also the country to get deterred from imbecile low character acts like this... it is serious business fellows. You are merely acting like saboteurs... in spite of being paid in the name of Defense of the country...

 

[noobmaster69]

I am sure we are ultimately going to land up where we started from _ Army technology and Innovation Corps.... an organization under Army or it could be a tri-service organization.

The army alone has double the trained and qualified B Techs and higher education qualified officers and manpower than DRDO The Corps of Signals itself has higher number of B Tech electronics than Wipro. Then they run three big engineering Colleges. plus one more civil Engineer college in Pune. They have Corps of Engineers and EME beside such a huge AMC. AFMC, One Civil Medical College and one Dental college . all run without govt money. Then BRO and MES two big engineering organizations which are functionally under Services...

It is just the question of changing the orientation from Combat Engineers into research engineers and adequate funding and they can be a successful Research hub. The best thing then would be that Generals would not have DRDO to blame. Generals can then boot those research fellows..

If the state of affairs continues this way .. it is going to happen. I think IA and IAF may follow the lead from IN and break free from DRDO.

DARPA by themselves do not carry out any research. Still, they are the most successful research organization.

That is indeed going to work but the main factor driving the success there is instead going to be a change its Armed Forces perception towards these Indigenous programmes. These programmes will not just remain DRDO's projects (receiving equal standing in competitions with foriegn programmes as if the origin doesn't matter at all or the endeavours to kill them with unending traials and last moment QR changes) but instead will become their own projects: installing, by default, more confidence and even liability with them and cutting back on time required to move the files around and get approvals.

 

[garg_bharat]

IN is only having their own design bureau they are still dependent on DRDO and moreover who will give money for R&D if army wants it's own dedicated lab.

Army should have its design bureau. DRDO should be technology developer.

A thousand engineer design org under army supervision will go a long way in solving major procurement issues.

 

[another_armchair]

Better sort out whether to build doctrine based on capability of weapon systems or build/acquire weapon systems based on doctrine.

Only then pick that glossy brochure and start getting orgiastic over printed capabilities & product features.

 

[ezsasa]

That is indeed going to work but the main factor driving the success there is instead going to be a change its Armed Forces perception towards these Indigenous programmes. These programmes will not just remain DRDO's projects (receiving equal standing in competitions with foriegn programmes as if the origin doesn't matter at all or the endeavours to kill them with unending traials and last moment QR changes) but instead will become their own projects: installing, by default, more confidence and even liability with them and cutting back on time required to move the files around and get approvals.

These points are applicable until 2015 or so, prior to this there was no govt mandate to support indigenous design & manufacturing.

on the point of changing QR, is there any evidence of such a thing happening since 2015?

 

[doreamon]

Please tell me if something else, some other technologies exist to conduct a success battle besides missiles...

Missiles... missiles.. missiles .. is DRDO ... a missile Research Organisation? Even in missiles. all success is claimed in missiles which users generally can not be hundred percent sure.. firing at 20 km to 4000 km... claim whatever you can..

But why is DRDO stuck with a missile that is meant for 2.5 km ?? Because things can be seen very clearly and nothing false can be claimed. Hence it is stuck for last 60 years and all blame is put on the user. It is the most rudimentary and the biggest user requirement in terms of quantity and numbers.

But No.. DRDO wants a missile to be fired at 25 km or 200km and claim whatever it can.. user can not see it with their own eyes and be happy about it.. There is no troop involvement in all those. But at 2.5 km Sepoy Bhoop Singh is the decider if the missile is good or bunkum..

How can a Ph D Scientist H tolerate the loud laugh of Sep Bhoop Singh ..

So it is on drawing board and shall remain there..

u were complaining abt NAG's minimum distance is very high some time back . Is nt rocket launcher like carl gustav are for short range and anti tank missiles for medium to high range .. but army wants missile for short range .... same thing also delayed arjun mk1a .. Army wanted a canon lunched missile that could hit targets as close as close as 1.2 km in arjun mk1a .. DRDO had roped in isreal and arranged Lahat CLGM but due to shorter range requirement of army it cld nt get cleared .. As isreali find tank canon to be best for shorter range as it has more kinetic energy and more destructive potential they did nt have ny shorter range CLGM in their disposal ...

 

[ezsasa]

Better sort out whether to build doctrine based on capability of weapon systems or build/acquire weapon systems based on doctrine.

Only then pick that glossy brochure and start getting orgiastic over printed capabilities & product features.

There is no confusion, procurement is happening as per doctrine, and not the other way around.

 

[Holy Triad]

ISROs L BAND BASED multi-chip module for SAR application Frequency: 1.2-1.4GHz

 

[patriots]

Tapas is already flying with desi engine.

 

[Bhadra]

Better sort out whether to build doctrine based on capability of weapon systems or build/acquire weapon systems based on doctrine.

Only then pick that glossy brochure and start getting orgiastic over printed capabilities & product features.

This is the biggest problem of DRDO - to force play Generals. DRDO has been trying to do others job of fixing the doctrine rather than making systems as asked for.

DRDO has been blatantly interfering and trying to dictate the Nuclear doctrine of India as also doctrines for use of Missile in the garb of technology. They make Prahar without anyone asking them to do so and then try and dictate doctrine to Armed Forces in use of ballistic missiles and force the missile on them.

What actually you are implying is that the Army should have a doctrine of abandoning the defences once a tank reaches 500 m from it. Because 500m is the limit of DRDO technical and Scientific efficiency. That is the implication of a doctrine according to DODO weapon capability as advocated by you outrightly.

In respect of Arjun you mean there should be a doctrine of not crossing own obstacles like a Canal on the border and launch any operation across IB because Arjun is a fat ass and adequate class bridge are not there for it to cross the Canal.

I think that is what is a bizarre situation. Sabotage Forces operation by denial of capability or by posing technical hitches. There indeed are such dangerous people in DRDO who wish to write doctrines for the Armed Forces so that their empires and warm chairs remain intact and their abject inefficiency is justified by their technology-based doctrines.

If you are anywhere close to DRDO please leave it as soon as possible because such kind of mindset is sabotaging in all implications. DRDO must put you through basic entrants training capsule to de - brainwash you.

 

[Bajirao]

Tapas is already flying with desi engine.

Do you have any news on pralay testing??

 

[patriots]

Do you have any news on pralay testing??

I don't know about previous tests ,A test may happen in this year

 

[Bhadra]

These points are applicable until 2015 or so, prior to this there was no govt mandate to support indigenous design & manufacturing.

on the point of changing QR, is there any evidence of such a thing happening since 2015?

This constant propaganda misinformation in the environment about GSQR can easily be sorted out.

GSQR must a validity in terms of a time period, That is - If IA requires an ATGM and DRDO says they will make it in two years then GSQR must have a limit of two years and frozen.

If DRDO does not make in two years the same GSQR can not assume to perennial. It must change as per new technological developments and requirements.

It can not be that the GSQR issued in 1965 is being quoted in 2020... Neigh impossible asking..