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[ezsasa]

Yes your original statement talks about domestic alternatives, ARDE MCIWS or OFB Guns were domestic alternatives. nowhere you mentioned that by domestic alternatives you only meant private domestic alternatives. Sure along with ARDE, et al other private players could have been tasked for the same. I am just trying to say, things dont seem as chocolaty as we want to believe. Why I have Train 18 as an example, because this was one project pushed at PM level and hailed as Make in India center piece. How it was sabotaged and curiously tenders floated to Global Vendors to "improve" train 18 by railway ministry - is something to wonder and reminds me of such sagas in defence too (Arjun - t 90 anyone?)

Thanks for your inputs.
Let’s see what others have to say..

 

[porky_kicker]

New MBPV from BEML ?

 

[aarav]

There are reports coming in that COAS MM Naravane has mentioned that Arjun MK1A will be inducted as it as performed on all parameters

 

[porky_kicker]

Offtopic

Nuclear artillery shell

 

[fire starter]

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Offtopic

Nuclear artillery shell

does we have this in service?????????????

 

[ezsasa]

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New MBPV from BEML ?

Looks like Same as in 2018 defence expo..

 

[porky_kicker]

does we have this in service?????????????

This one ?
Definately no , it's 152mm and Soviet .

But rumours about a indian 155mm floating around

 

[fire starter]

though it is 280mm and 14kn but our also will be similar to this.

 

[aarav]

https://defence.capital/2020/01/22/...-vehicle-induction-in-2027-says-gen-naravane/

 

[Assassin 2.0]

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These guns are getting updated indigenously. Total 300 guns will be updated.

 

[Bleh]

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New MBPV from BEML ?

Ok, any Lucjnow-wala from here going to Defexpo2019?

 

[patriots]

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Now this is interesting if true

MWF getting F414EPE engine ie 118-120KN thrust

F414 epe is not tested yet....
F18 has not got yet.....
If mwf gets f414 epe...then it will. Be delayed....
Again if f414epe...is ready. .then why drdo is developing amca mk1 with a lower thrust Engine..

 

[AnantS]

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will it be more than earlier rumor of token order of 118?

 

[captscooby81]

@sayareakd will be going , I will be going on 6th and @flamethower will be going on 7th.

Ok, any Lucjnow-wala from here going to Defexpo2019?

 

[Steven Rogers]

Ok, any Lucjnow-wala from here going to Defexpo2019?

I'm from Lucknow but won't be able to attend the expo due to my examinations...

 

[porky_kicker]

F414 epe is not tested yet....
F18 has not got yet.....
If mwf gets f414 epe...then it will. Be delayed....
Again if f414epe...is ready. .then why drdo is developing amca mk1 with a lower thrust Engine..

No idea , the pic if true mwf will have the efe , if false then no efe.

As for amca wait for next aeroindia for concrete info

 

[IndianHawk]

Can the good people of DFI help me test this theory?

Supporting and opposing views welcome.

Theory: Purchase of foreign equipment or munitions are not being allowed to go ahead unless there is a domestic alternative in the same category, since 2015.

There maybe a few exceptions like chinook, but it’s not a rule.

Our defence procurement decisions are too complex to be bound by a theory. There is dangerous combinations of domestic capacity Vs foreign interests. Developing products Vs mature off the shelf solutions. Private Vs PSU qualifications . Operational necessity Vs strategic independence. Two front war Vs cold start type punishment to Pakistan.

So many more conflicts are inbuilt. But overall intent of this govt is to chose indigenous over foreign that is visible from new service chiefs and their more supportive statements for indigenous equipment which is a stark difference from past.

Also the domestic capabilities have grown multifold over previous decade ( including in private sector ) and with new generation of confidant young Indians in charge is shifted the balance. Examples are how DRDO was adamant on mpatgm and how hal brought up htt40 despite all opposition. Similarly LCA has spanned LCA mk1a/ mwf amca and now tedbf/ orca.

We are pretty sure of what we want now that's why we walked out of pakfa we are confident we can do better ! This increasing confidence is reflecting itself at policy level to some extent . Previous govt wouldn't have courage to walk out of something as hyped and important as fgfa. This one did.

It seems we are finally breaking the chains of colonial mentality and inferiority complex at all levels including institutional and policy level.

That's my two cents. I went off topic probably but couldn't resist .

 

[IndianHawk]

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Now this is interesting if true

MWF getting F414EPE engine ie 118-120KN thrust

F414 epe is not funded by us navy as of now. So mwf will rely on 98 KN version .

But since we are going to build 200 of them later batches could see f414 epe is developed by then or our own indigenous 120KN engine.

 

[Bleh]

@sayareakd will be going , I will be going on 6th and @flamethower will be going on 7th.

I'm from Lucknow but won't be able to attend the expo due to my examinations...

There will be a seperate thread like Aero India 2019, right?

 

[Bleh]

F414 epe is not funded by us navy as of now. So mwf will rely on 98 KN version .

But since we are going to build 200 of them later batches could see f414 epe is developed by then or our own indigenous 120KN engine.

Tejas's F404-IN20 is the highest rated version of that engine, kinda like EPE... With the size of order we are to place they could come up with a enhanced 105kN version atleast.

Ours K-10 was supposed be 110kN class, maybe 115kN at best. Why are people saying 120kN? Did I miss some piece of news?