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@Enquirer @porky_kicker others....

Do we have any plan in pipeline to develop a turbofan powered UAV likes of RQ-4 Global Hawk
I noticed it has got a 34 kn engine and once we have developed HTFE -25 then and all the experience gained developing Rustom / Tapas series of UAVs, maybe then we can take up this endeavour

what's your take guys
Aura/Swift is the equivalent....almost going towards X-47 UCAV.

Global Hawk is designed as very long range drone....needing to get to the target area fast. Tapas/Rustom would benefit from better payload and endurance. It might go the route of single rear turboprop rather than a fast moving turbofan....just my thinking
 

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First version of Astra mk1 with long cord wings


View attachment 36442

This one also has long chord wings but repositioned. Rear wings also repositioned

(In the pic only the nose cone is missing)

There is some similarities and there is some dissimilarities between the 2 airframes

But if one compares the two, are they the same missiles ?

If yes then case closed, if no then

Is it a air to air missile ?
Or
Is it a air to ground missile ?
Or
Is it a ground to air missile ?

I will let you guys be the judge the jury and the executioner.
Such long 'static' fins will provide stability against roll/yaw/pitch......and will also make it less maneuverable!

This configuration can obviously NOT be used against fast moving targets. I don't think it's an AAM or a SAM. Mostly an Air-to-Ground!
 

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The P8 advantage of being able to carry torpedos will be negated by longer range SMART torpedos. As I had mentioned earlier, even with today's logistics a P8 can swoop into an area 500 kms away in no time if/when a drone detects a sub (the sub would have moved just about 25 knots in that time).

My suggestion of using Sea Guardian instead of Tapas is primarily due to the present payload advantage. When Tapas/Rustom can increase their payload capacity, by all means Tapas/Rustom could be used.

Again Do228 is a manned aircraft with very limited endurance...and high operational costs.

I completely disagree with your stand that drones are ineffective at detecting submerged subs, while P8s can. The aerial platform (or satellite) makes little difference....they all have to rely on somekind of sonobuoy.

Also, with improvements in battery technology (& perhaps solar too), longer endurance sonubuoys could come to market.

Net-net. My suggestions are not based on yesterday or even today.....but what to plan for in the coming years.....
Here's what US Navy is funding:

1) Navy SBIR Phase I Program: Floating Solar Arrays for Long-Endurance Sonobuoy Power Generation

The Navy has established the need for a long duration, maintenance-free power source to fit in a sonobuoy. Power sources are required to integrate into the Navy's existing buoy handling logistics and be ready for deployment and operation at any time without the need for peripheral charging equipment or human intervention. MicroLink Devices will develop a floating solar array that, when combined with rechargeable batteries, will be capable of continuously powering a sonobuoy for several years. The array will be composed of our highly-efficient, lightweight, flexible epitaxial lift-off (ELO) GaAs solar cells so that it can be rolled up inside the sonobuoy prior to deployment.

http://mldevices.com/index.php/news...crolink-awarded-phase-i-and-phase-ii-programs
 

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Here's another interesting article I found about the future ASW via the use of Drones & miniaturized sonobuoys:

Sonobuoys shrink for UAVs (from 2015)

A new generation of miniaturised sonobuoys sized for delivery from unmanned air vehicles (UAVs) is being developed by Ultra Electronics

Sonar Systems (Stand S2-380). Autonomous vehicles will play an increasing role in the future maritime battlespace as navies look to embrace network-enabled concepts using remote offboard systems.

Anti-submarine warfare is one example, with UAVs, unmanned surface vehicles and autonomous underwater vehicles all offering the potential to serve as payload carriers and sensor nodes. In particular, long-endurance UAVs present new options for sonobuoy delivery at range to support wide area underwater surveillance based on multistatic active processing independently of maritime patrol assets.

However, the size and weight of current generation sonobuoys have a significant impact on UAV payload and radius. To overcome this, Ultra has worked with the UK Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) and industry partners to explore the potential for Sonobuoy System Miniaturisation.

Phase 1 of the Sonobuoy System Miniaturisation project involved system-level studies to quantify the effects on performance, and examine integration with UAV platforms.

This stage resulted in the development of a series of high-level design options for miniaturised sonobuoys and associated UAV payload pods.

During Phase 2, Ultra has de-risked key technologies and built hardware prototypes for demonstration. The outcome of this work has been to mature designs for a new generation of ‘G-size’ active buoys and ‘F-size’ passive buoys, which are half and one-third respectively of the standard NATO ‘A-size’ buoy usually carried on large maritime patrol aircraft. Phase 3 will fully demonstrate Sonobuoy System Miniaturisation technology and capability.

Under a separate Dstl study package, Ultra has demonstrated the deployment, operation and recovery of a tethered ‘dipping sonobuoy’ from a novel USV platform powered by diesel, wind and solar energy. This demonstration was based on a ruggedised A-size CAMBS active buoy, but the concept is adaptable for use with the G-size and F-size source and receiver buoy concepts emerging from the Sonobuoy System Miniaturisation project.

"The next generation of miniaturised sonobuoys is drawing on the success of the current SSQ 955 HIDAR and SSQ 906 LOFAR sonobuoy designs," Jonathan Cooke, marketing manager for Ultra Electronics’ underwater warfare segment, told the DSEI Daily. "With this, and our substantial body of design knowledge in traditional and multi-static active sonar, we continue to shrink sonobuoy size and weight even further.

"This reduction in size and weight allows for increased capability on both manned and unmanned platforms, as well as expanding mission duration."
https://www.janes.com/article/54256/sonobuoys-shrink-for-uavs-dsei15-d1
 

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Defence Ministry to invest Rs 400 crore with industry to build test facilities, drones first

Testing infrastructure to come up in eight locations, will be run by private consortiums.


NEW DELHI: The government will invest Rs 400 crore to partner with the private industryfor creating a new cluster of testing infrastructure for military equipment, with a range for trials and testing for drones set to be the pilot project.

In a new initiative to encourage research and development in military systems, the Rajnath Singh led defence ministry will bear up to 75 percent of the costs of setting up the test ranges which will be run by a private consortium.

The Defence Testing Infrastructure Scheme (DTIS) being unrolled by the ministry will invite consortiums from the industry, associations or academia to set up and run the eight greenfield ranges for defence and aerospace related production.

“Each facility will be setup through a Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV), hereinafter referred to as the Implementation Agency, which may be promoted/constituted by private entities(Industry, Industry association, R&D/Academic institution etc),” a notification by the ministry reads.

The test facilities planned at different locations includes ranges for unmanned aerial vehicles, electronic warfare, software testing, blast testing facilities, specialized driving tracks and ship motion testing. These new facilities will be in addition to test labs that have been set up through the country by public sector units and military units.

It has been a long standing grouse of the private industry that all test infrastructure in controlled either by public sector units or the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which places major hindrances in research for military technology.

While the government has opened up these test ranges for use by the private sector, the experience has shown that they are not adequate with the industry facing hurdles when it comes to everyday research for new equipment.

“One of the main impediments for domestic defence production is lack of easily accessible state-of-the-art testing infrastructure. Defence Testing Infrastructure is often capital intensive requiring continuous upgradation and it is not economically viable for individual defence industrial units to set up in-house testing facilities,” a defence ministry note on the scheme reads.

The first private sector run test range will be for unmanned aerial vehicles, with the defence ministry set to meet industry representatives for a workshop on August 9. The workshop will focus on issues like what technology will be required at the range, how will issues related to land acquisition work and how the funding mechanism will work.

The test facilities are expected to come up at the two defence corridors announced by the government in Uttar Pradesh and Tamil Nadu. “These corridors have been selected as they are expected to support large number of industries involved in defence and aerospace manufacturing in the future,” the defence ministry note says.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ilities-drones-first/articleshow/70484584.cms
 

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View attachment 36443

First version of Astra mk1 with long cord wings


View attachment 36442

This one also has long chord wings but repositioned. Rear wings also repositioned

(In the pic only the nose cone is missing)

There is some similarities and there is some dissimilarities between the 2 airframes

But if one compares the two, are they the same missiles ?

If yes then case closed, if no then

Is it a air to air missile ?
Or
Is it a air to ground missile ?
Or
Is it a ground to air missile ?

I will let you guys be the judge the jury and the executioner.
Could it be for this????
Surface-to-Surface vertically launched precision rocket??
The three openings in each quadrant at the top part seems like something that can be used to tilt the rocket 90 degrees after it has been vertically launched.

 

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I will let you guys solve this mystery

View attachment 36443

First version of Astra mk1 with long cord wings


View attachment 36442

This one also has long chord wings but repositioned. Rear wings also repositioned

(In the pic only the nose cone is missing)

There is some similarities and there is some dissimilarities between the 2 airframes

But if one compares the two, are they the same missiles ?

If yes then case closed, if no then

Is it a air to air missile ?
Or
Is it a air to ground missile ?
Or
Is it a ground to air missile ?

I will let you guys be the judge the jury and the executioner.
What is Aditya Pricitech Pvt Ltd?
 

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I will let you guys solve this mystery

View attachment 36443

First version of Astra mk1 with long cord wings


View attachment 36442

This one also has long chord wings but repositioned. Rear wings also repositioned

(In the pic only the nose cone is missing)

There is some similarities and there is some dissimilarities between the 2 airframes

But if one compares the two, are they the same missiles ?

If yes then case closed, if no then

Is it a air to air missile ?
Or
Is it a air to ground missile ?
Or
Is it a ground to air missile ?

I will let you guys be the judge the jury and the executioner.
Could it be for this????
Surface-to-Surface vertically launched precision rocket??
The three openings in each quadrant at the top part seems like something that can be used to tilt the rocket 90 degrees after it has been vertically launched.

Thinking a little further I am quite convinced that the mockup/design is that of MRPKS (Medium Range Precision Kill System)!!!
MRPKS has IR Terminal guidance - that explains why the nose is not a pointy cone (all IR seeker based missiles have rounded fronts)
 

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OFB gets 2 lakh requests for Bhabha Kavach from armed forces


NEW DELHI: The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has already received requests for around two lakh 'Bhabha Kavach', countrys lightest bullet-proof jackets from the armed forces.

As the government promotes "Make in India", the demand for an Indian product can go a long way in ending dependence on imports.

Talking to IANS, Additional General Manager of Ordnance Equipment Factory, Kanpur, V.K. Chaudhary, said: "The Bhabha Kavach has received overwhelming response from the armed forces and so far we have got requests for around two lakh jackets.

"The jacket gives 360 degree protection against bullets and has achieved the protection level of National Institute of Justice (NIJ) Level III+ ".

Stating that the Bhabha Kavach has a good export potential, Chaudhary said: "We are also planning to export these jackets to countries like Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia and African countries and we will soon get export orders from these countries".

With regards to Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs), Chaudhary said: "Request for around 50,000 jackets each have been received from the Central Reserve Police Force(CRPF) and Border Security Force (BSF) while 25,000 pieces from Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP), around 20,000 jackets for Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB) and Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) has placed an order for 25,000 jackets."

He said demand from state police have also poured in for the jackets. Orders for around 500 jackets have come in from Punjab and Himachal Pradesh Police while Chhattisgarh and Odisha Police have requested for 1,000 jackets.

"We have also got orders from Gujarat and Rajasthan Police while talks are on with Karnataka, Jharkhand and West Bengal Police," Chaudhary added.

The cost of one jacket was Rs 75,000 and it took one and a half year of hard work to come up with this jacket, Chaudhary said.

The country's lightest bullet-proof jacket developed by the Ordinance Factory Board (OFB) was launched at the International Police Expo 2019 here last month.

The jacket has been named Bhabha Kavach as the nano-based technology was taken from the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre.

The bullet-proof jacket provides 360 degree protection against 7.62mm hard steel core or bullets fired from an AK-47 rifle, 5.56mm INSAS bullet and even the recently decommissioned 7.65mm bullet of self-loading rifle (SLR).

Ballistic trials were conducted by the BSF, CRPF and SSB. After trials, the report was sent to a committee, which then recommended it for induction.

The weight of the bullet-proof jacket was 9.2 kg and this was a major breakthrough for the Indian armed forces. It was half kilo less than the prescribed weight of Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA).

Defence and security experts said that the jacket will definitely boost the morale of the armed forces while ensuring greater security especially for those dealing in counter-insurgency and militancy operations.

Coming up with a safety gear with protection level of NIJ III+ is a major breakthrough in the technology.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ch-from-armed-forces/articleshow/70494956.cms
 

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I will let you guys solve this mystery

View attachment 36443

First version of Astra mk1 with long cord wings


View attachment 36442

This one also has long chord wings but repositioned. Rear wings also repositioned

(In the pic only the nose cone is missing)

There is some similarities and there is some dissimilarities between the 2 airframes

But if one compares the two, are they the same missiles ?

If yes then case closed, if no then

Is it a air to air missile ?
Or
Is it a air to ground missile ?
Or
Is it a ground to air missile ?

I will let you guys be the judge the jury and the executioner.
Both these are same. It is the development model of Astra and DRDO had tried a couple of design. But the LSP version is totally different from these two.

image_5b0ffe1e59d1b7_51059238.png
 

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DRDO Is Helping Ladakh Farmers Grow Watermelons, Tomatoes In a Cold Desert!
Can tomatoes be grown at -17ºC?


Thanks to researchers at #DRDO, Ladakhi farmers are not just growing them without using any chemicals, they are producing a harvest that’s twice the national average!



It’s safe to say that climate conditions in Ladakh, a cold desert, are not exactly suited for growing warm-weather crops like tomato, capsicum, muskmelon and watermelon. Characterised by a rugged topography at an average altitude of over 3,000 metres (approximately 10,000 feet) above sea level, the region endures long and harsh winters and receives a little over 100 mm of annual rainfall.

The cropping season lasts just four months, and remains cut-off for the rest of the year due to heavy snowfall. For locals, fresh fruits and vegetables are available only during the summer. Most fresh produce is imported, and self-sufficiency becomes a real concern.

Importing goods into Ladakh necessitates transport on diesel-run trucks across the Himalayas with passes as high as 5,300 metres, covering distances of 480 km from Manali, and 420 km from Srinagar. This means greater air pollution.

Addressing these concerns, a research team from the Defence Institute of High Altitude Research (DIHAR), under Dr Tsering Stobdan, found unique ways of helping small and marginal farmers in Ladakh double their crop productivity.

Dr Tsering Stobdan
Moreover, these ways are helping them save water, without the use of chemical fertilisers or pesticides, to grow cash crops like watermelons.

Their remarkable work also includes the identification of a native variety of apricots as the sweetest in the world and the commercialisation of Seabuckthorn-based products. For these achievements, Dr Stobdan’s team won the Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed Award for Outstanding Research in Tribal Farming Systems by the Indian Council of Agricultural Research (ICAR) this year. The DIHAR is an arm of the Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO).

The Better India spoke to Dr Stobdan about his work and its relevance to Ladakh.

Doubling crop productivity

Black polythene mulching at work. Source: Ladakh Ecological Development Group
With scarce water and small landholdings, crop productivity in the region is low. However, using black polythene mulching has proven to be highly beneficial.

How does it work?

Dr Stobdan answers, “We lay out a black plastic sheet just above the ground, make a 5 cm hole, and plant the sapling. Plastic mulching increases the soil temperature by 5-6° Celsius. With higher soil temperature, the crop can grow faster. Since we’re covering the ground with a black plastic sheet, it doesn’t allow the water to evaporate. It cuts the requirement for water by almost 60 per cent. Based on feedback from 100 farmers, the average yield of tomatoes has doubled to 80 metric tonnes per hectare, annually. For capsicum, it has tripled to 9.2 metric tonnes.”

Other advantages of this practice include increasing the number of intervening days before a farmer has to irrigate their land. Traditionally, farmers irrigate after every seven days for tomatoes, but thanks to plastic mulching, they can do this after 11-12 days.

Finally, farmers are also saving 75 per cent of the time they would have otherwise spent on weeding. Plastic mulching prevents sunlight from falling on unwanted seeds that grow into weeds. Thus, only those seeds that need to grow, germinate.

Besides tomato and capsicum, black plastic mulching is effective for other warm-weather crops like brinjal, chilli, pumpkin, and cucumber. The process is organic, without the use of chemical fertilisers, pesticides or herbicides. As a result, the yield is more than double the national average of 24 metric tonnes per hectare.

“This isn’t a new or novel technique. But its application and the spurt in yield has not been seen anywhere in the world. All our trials are around 11,500 feet above sea level, but we have much higher yields than in the plains. Also, these tomatoes can be grown at altitudes of up to 15,000 feet,” says another researcher on the team.

Crop diversification

Growing watermelons in the cold desert of Ladakh.
Using a low-input system, researchers at DIHAR have also found a way to grow warm-weather cash crops like watermelons and muskmelons. They began work in 2012, although trials on fields only started in 2016, with ten farmers from Phey village, 12 km from Leh town. The technical know-how behind growing watermelon in Ladakh was finally transferred to the State Agriculture Department in October 2017.

Dr Stobdan says, “These farmers have excellent annual yields of 30-40 metric tonnes per hectare. The national average is about 25 metric tonnes per hectare. Last year, farmers in Ladakh earned Rs 10-12 lakh per hectare, which is 4-5 times the return as compared to traditional crops like wheat and barley.”

He adds that 300 farmers are growing watermelons in the open field this year. “We can grow the crop during the off-season in August and September, a time when the rest of the country doesn’t get it!”

Interestingly, the watermelons grown in Ladakh are fully organic and very sweet. This additional sweetness, according to Dr Stobdan, can be attributed to the higher altitude.

Sumptuous apricots native to Ladakh.


Although they haven’t done trials to determine the effect of geographical elevation on higher sugar and acid content on the crop grown in the region, the same can’t be said of apricots.

“We have demonstrated that as the altitude increases, the apricot fruit becomes sweeter. Identified locally as Raktsey Karpo (apricots with white seed coats), this unique genetic resource is available only in Ladakh. We identified it as the world’s sweetest apricot (based on sugar and acid content). Normally, apricots have brown seed coats,” informs Dr Stobdan.

Once again, none of this would have been possible without the black polythene mulching technique. The crop is sown mid-May and harvested in August (at 10,000 feet) and the first week of September (at 11,500 feet).

Nonetheless, there remain concerns about alternatives to plastic that can survive the harsh weather in Ladakh.

“A major concern for large-scale adoption of plastic mulch for crop productivity enhancement in the trans-Himalayan region could be the resultant pollution hazards caused by residual plastic film. However, the adverse effect, in part, could be compensated by reducing vehicular pollution during long-distance transportation of fresh tomatoes from nearby towns… Future research is needed on the effect of low-cost biodegradable mulching materials on crop growth and yield,” says this January 2018 paper published in the Defence Life Science Journal.

Passive solar greenhouses

Watermelons: New source of income for the average Ladakhi farmer.

In 1964, the first greenhouse was introduced to Ladakh. This allowed the locals to grow a few crops, particularly leafy vegetables like spinach during the harsh winter, when temperatures drop to -20° Celsius.

However, with temperatures dropping to -7° inside these conventional greenhouses with walls made of mud brick from three sides and the fourth covered by a polythene sheet, even leafy vegetables find it hard to thrive. Also, these greenhouses would last only 5-10 years with the walls collapsing because of humidity.

DIHAR developed these passive solar greenhouses with walls made of stone and cement on three sides, which can store and absorb more heat. More importantly, the fourth side of the greenhouse is covered with a polycarbonate sheet, which has a better insulation capacity than the average polythene.

Work on this project began 5-6 years ago, but on-field trials began in the winter of 2017.

Passive solar greeenhouse covered in snow during the winter.
“In our greenhouses, the temperature inside does not reach sub-zero levels, but it is around 3° Celsius in the peak of winter from December-January. Tomato is a temperature-sensitive warm season crop. If temperatures hit zero or lower, then the crop dies the very same day. If we can grow them under these conditions, we can also grow other warm-weather crops. In the past two years, we have demonstrated that tomatoes can be grown even in December and January,” says Dr Stobdan.

Farmers can also grow crops like capsicum and cauliflower in these conditions!

“If the greenhouse is small but uses the same materials, it won’t be as effective. We have determined that the size of the greenhouse has to be at least 60×27 feet. The bigger the greenhouse, the greater its ability to absorb and store more heat. Meanwhile, the height we are recommending is 9 feet,” he adds.

Farmers go for transplanting in September, and from December, they can harvest crops until March. From a single plant, a farmer can get 2.5-3 kg tomatoes!

Inside the greenhouse.
It’s the only kind of greenhouse in Ladakh which can grow these crops under these conditions without additional heating or covering. If you use a conventional heating system or certain curtains, it complicates matters and raises costs for the average farmer.

“We want it to be farmer-friendly. The emphasis is on simplicity so that any farmer can use it,” says a fellow researcher, who worked with Dr Stobdan on the project.

It is innovations like these that ATL Tinkering Innovation Marathon aims to develop by giving young innovators a platform to take their ideas to products and help solve issues in different fields from agriculture and infrastructure, to environmental conservation and waste management.

Know more about the ATL Tinkering Innovation Marathon here.


https://www.thebetterindia.com/1898...armers-grow-tomato-cold-desert-organic-india/
 
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There's always room for tweaks & upgrades, since the Induction period of indigenous weapons are very long.
Bhai... what's the range of xrsam....

Is India capable now to stop pak missile s now

What's about 1000 kg weight reduction of tejas mk1a

What's about 100 kg weight reduction of lch(by changing ac xompocompo with dc)

Why no lch order are we waiting for Thales 70 mm rocket to come....and integration of helina Sant on lch
 

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There's always room for tweaks & upgrades, since the Induction period of indigenous weapons are very long.
What wiil be the weight of Arjun mk2....
Some report s were there that it will be 50 ton
 

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Unless India develops heavier drones, it is difficult to replace heavier planes with drones.
It is difficult to develop a whole new drone but there are tremendous scope of reducing the few hundred kgkg weig of tapas and also power of engine can be improved.
 

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