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[Jimih]

Rare pic

 

[Satish Sharma]

Drdo has been betrayed alot

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

Drdo has been betrayed alot
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what the absolute f suffering from success?

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[samsaptaka]

Of all these, the failure to induct ak203 or atleast a substitute assault rifle , say from sss is going to screw us. What is the army supposed to fight with ? Kadi ninda ? Cannot even guarantee a basic good fighting weapon for your infantry and they speak of aatma nirbhar ? What a fking joke ! In this regard this modi govt has been a colossal failure either purposely due to corruption or due to powerless cowardly behaviour wrt russkies screwing you and towards the lobby

 

[Hari Sud]

Drdo has been betrayed alot
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Nonsense……. What is your point. We all know that DRDO is an inefficient organization.

 

[Blackmamba]

Nonsense……. What is your point. We all know that DRDO is an inefficient organization.

Changing goal post to sabotage your own indigenous product.
Here is a CAG report comparing Arjun and T 90

 

[Tridev123]

Those engines are imported from Germany which reportedly didn't answer a call to quote or negotiations when we in the process of finalising vendors for the diesel engine for the light tank Zorawar due to which we discarded the German option & went in for Cummins - an American co mfg out of India.

In the case of Arjun Mk-1a they reportedly stated the time taken to restart the lines to mfg the MTU engine powering it would take 4 years. Result - DRDO is exploring options to power it with the in house 1500 HP diesel engine.

Moral of the story- Germany is an unreliable partner.

Agree.
Those krauts are a double standards practising population. They have no problems sleeping in the same bed as the religiously fanatic Pakistanis but would hate to share a bed with secular India.

I am reminded of the supply of modern Sea Hake torpedoes to the Pakistani Navy. Those have an range greater than 50 kms.

The Germans G3 rifle is still the main assault rifle for the Pakistan Army.

But German small arms companies including Heckler & Koch boycott a democracy like India.

Not blaming the Germans 100%.Because the Americans control their actions to a great extent.
Most European countries are puppets manipulated by the US.

Nevertheless it has to be conceded that the Germans are quite good in engineering. In fact it would not be wrong to say that German submarines(HDW) would most probably be better than the Spanish alternative.

Now if the French Naval Group had also entered this competition an real contest would have happened.

But I guess choosing a German weapons system is not going to be easy. Their frequent anti India propaganda and attitudes muddy the waters.

Probably we can exert pressure on the Germans if their big companies become very dependent on the Indian market.The economic stakes should be too high for the Germans to ignore New Delhi.

The Chinese could armtwist the Germans because of their dependence on the large Chinese market.
But I believe extreme US pressure has forced German companies to stop the supply of advanced dual use equipment to China.

Anyway the truth is that as the Indian economy expands significantly in the coming decades it is the Germans who will lose more by adopting an anti India posture.

You can ignore India only at your own loss.

 

[itsme]

Drdo has been betrayed alot
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How the hell did they justify the need for 1.6km to 2km vs 0.5km to 2km, when there was the latter available? insane.

 

[Varoon2]

Jaishankar at least, should do some very justified 'whataboutery' on Germany. Really grill them on China, Pakistan, Tibet, Baluchistan etc.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Jaishankar at least, should do some very justified 'whataboutery' on Germany. Really grill them on China, Pakistan, Tibet, Baluchistan etc.

No point unless they go the extent like Turd of Canada....we are far from getting into ego fights as our stick is still not that long and bit not that strong. Give it a decade to 15 years

 

[Varoon2]

This article, from just a few weeks ago, doesn't square with the notion of Germany banning military exports to India. Is it just weapons used in counter terrorism/ counter insurgency that are banned? Still offensive and unacceptable, if that is the case. And yes, when the time comes, stick it to them on Pakistan, Baluchistan, POK and China.

Germany Signals New Era in Defence Exports to India with A400M, A330 MRTT on Table

Germany's proposal to significantly increase defence exports to India has the potential to reshape the strategic partnership between the two nations. Germany's offer of diverse military assets, including advanced aircraft, naval equipment, and support resources, reflects a growing commitment to...

defence.in

 

[Johny_Baba]

Agree.
Those krauts are a double standards practising population. They have no problems sleeping in the same bed as the religiously fanatic Pakistanis but would hate to share a bed with secular India.

I am reminded of the supply of modern Sea Hake torpedoes to the Pakistani Navy. Those have an range greater than 50 kms.

The Germans G3 rifle is still the main assault rifle for the Pakistan Army.

But German small arms companies including Heckler & Koch boycott a democracy like India.

Not blaming the Germans 100%.Because the Americans control their actions to a great extent.
Most European countries are puppets manipulated by the US.

Nevertheless it has to be conceded that the Germans are quite good in engineering. In fact it would not be wrong to say that German submarines(HDW) would most probably be better than the Spanish alternative.

Now if the French Naval Group had also entered this competition an real contest would have happened.

But I guess choosing a German weapons system is not going to be easy. Their frequent anti India propaganda and attitudes muddy the waters.

Probably we can exert pressure on the Germans if their big companies become very dependent on the Indian market.The economic stakes should be too high for the Germans to ignore New Delhi.

The Chinese could armtwist the Germans because of their dependence on the large Chinese market.
But I believe extreme US pressure has forced German companies to stop the supply of advanced dual use equipment to China.

Anyway the truth is that as the Indian economy expands significantly in the coming decades it is the Germans who will lose more by adopting an anti India posture.

You can ignore India only at your own loss.

being objective, the krauts not only gave techincal package of G3, MP5, MG42/MG3 and their older arsenal (in relative terms of time) to porkies but to almost other islamic countries too, Iran, Saudis, Sudanese, Turks...
basically to the allies of erstwhile NATO back then

it is case of geopolitical alignment and interests than being pro-or-anti Indian in our context

even one of our biggest defense supplier, France sold them Mirage-3 and Mirage-5 and Augusta 90B while selling us Mirage-2000, Rafale and Scorpene to monkey balance things; despite being part of same grouping with very similar geopolitical interests...then look at Sweden that's also selling stuff to both India and Pakistan

We just need to be stronger enough to stand on our own feet than being bitter over these kind of things

 

[Tridev123]

being objective, the krauts not only gave techincal package of G3, MP5, MG42/MG3 and their older arsenal (in relative terms of time) to porkies but to almost other islamic countries too, Iran, Saudis, Sudanese, Turks...
basically to the allies of erstwhile NATO back then

it is case of geopolitical alignment and interests than being pro-or-anti Indian in our context

even one of our biggest defense supplier, France sold them Mirage-3 and Mirage-5 and Augusta 90B while selling us Mirage-2000, Rafale and Scorpene to monkey balance things; despite being part of same grouping with very similar geopolitical interests...then look at Sweden that's also selling stuff to both India and Pakistan

We just need to be stronger enough to stand on our own feet than being bitter over these kind of things

 

[Satish Sharma]

being objective, the krauts not only gave techincal package of G3, MP5, MG42/MG3 and their older arsenal (in relative terms of time) to porkies but to almost other islamic countries too, Iran, Saudis, Sudanese, Turks...
basically to the allies of erstwhile NATO back then

it is case of geopolitical alignment and interests than being pro-or-anti Indian in our context

even one of our biggest defense supplier, France sold them Mirage-3 and Mirage-5 and Augusta 90B while selling us Mirage-2000, Rafale and Scorpene to monkey balance things; despite being part of same grouping with very similar geopolitical interests...then look at Sweden that's also selling stuff to both India and Pakistan

We just need to be stronger enough to stand on our own feet than being bitter over these kind of things

Saab has done some real damage By supplying aew&c. Whereas we despite making our own awacs did not induct in large numbers and instead banned Embraer for corruption. There was enormous potential.
As soon as india announced mmrca for first time. A European firms quit from jf17 program who was supposed to supply avionics..

 

[Johny_Baba]

Saab has done some real damage By supplying aew&c. Whereas we despite making our own awacs did not induct in large numbers and instead banned Embraer for corruption. There was enormous potential.
As soon as india announced mmrca for first time. A European firms quit from jf17 program who was supposed to supply avionics..

then you have got that understanding now that We are our worst enemies when it comes to defense procurements, why even blame others for being shrewd and bizmen like about things then

 

[Tridev123]

I don't fully agree with you.
It is true that many countries for geopolitical and economic reasons play on both sides. Supply rivals defence equipment.

But the Germans use offensive language to justify their reluctance to supply small arms to India. Harping on our Human Rights record.
Do the French consistently accuse India of human rights violations. No.

Also you might not have noticed that the Germans actively support the Christian Evangelical groups in their attempts to mass convert supposedly primitive Hindus who must be given salvation(as per their propaganda).

Now coming to economics, India is a far larger market for German arms than Pakistan any day. Does it make any economic sense for the German Government to bar their companies from selling arms to India.

Not doubting the technological capabilities of the Germans.They are a top rated industrial power.

As the Indian economy grows our leverage will also increase.
A change in German attitudes towards India is very much possible.

 

[porky_kicker]

Germany was always our civilizational enemy in mordern times, the damage they did is immeasurable and easily overlooked eg Muller played havoc on our scriptures and set the narrative for the west, which is being followed till date

Nothing changed nor will change in the attitude of their elites and intelligentsia towards us ie Hindus

Lol at the so called technological capabilities of krauts, they have it bec they invested in it
You do it you will have it
Japan did south koreans did they stole , they sweated , they invested , they worked hard and then they achieved it

 

[Johny_Baba]

Do the French consistently accuse India of human rights violations. No.

poor child, just tune to their national carrier France 24 to see it yourself lol

Also you might not have noticed that the Germans actively support the Christian Evangelical groups in their attempts to mass convert supposedly primitive Hindus who must be given salvation(as per their propaganda)

and it was our own chicha nehru who allowed evangelisation of entire north-east in past, practically opening that venture here

crux of north eastern problems and related christian evangelism etc lies with none other than Jawaharlal Kaul "Nehru" only;

in fact he was one big reason behind islamization of erstwhile Assam (now states separated from Assam in post '47 world) too read about Dhaka plan of the Muslim League and how they got power in the govt of Assam before independence by coalition with congress; started mass migration of bengali muslims in the Hill areas and in protest many congressi in coalition resigned thus bringing the govt down - that gave a chance to Congress to form a govt there and they did in 1938; but Jawaharlal and his lackies had to intervene that they made their own govt in Assam fall by resignations again in just a year and in some short time it gave a chance to Muslim League again to form a govt after securing enough support result was land settlement policy that provided each bengali "migrant" muslim with some land in the Hill and Valley areas of Assam for permanent residence and in big way set an example for bengali muslims to infiltrate in erstwhile Assam-NEFA and successor state; long term result is evident already

coming to christianization of the NE and Nehru's role in it
-> Nehru became Foreign Minister in '47 along with the Prime Minister
-> He had an angrez advisor, Verrier Elwin, a known "missionary" in past; also "Anthropologist and Tribal Activist" this Elwin subhuman was a known rapist and sexual abuser; particularly he used to sleep around with young tribal girls in name of 'participant observation' ; this Elwin literally advised Nehru against integration and development of these NE states then under single entity NEFA citing reasons of 'preservation of their pristine characters and culture' ; he was appointed as "Anthropological Advisor of NEFA" by Nehru ; and being an Evangelical himself; he gave full free run to those activities in the erstwhile NEFA and related regions while at same time keeping the people and the region almost isolated from mainstream India
-> as if this was not enough; those Evangelicals there used to literally propagate things that 'Govt of India treats you people as foreigners; they literally kept matter of NEFA under Foreign Ministry while leaving rest of the Union (of India) to be managed by Home Ministry' - last line was ironically true because our great Videsh Mantri Nehru used to handle things in the NEFA so this kind of propaganda did work!
-> rest was done by poverty perpetuating socialism that Nehru spread across the country; setting up the situations where they can simply flat out lie that 'ham toh gareeb desh hai ji' and in turn giving free hands to christian evangelics based "missions" there for building schools, hospitals and all BUT also providing free ground for all sort of activities

this kept continuing there for long periods even after Nehru; as Indira had got those tribals acting against evangelical activities in Mizoram bombed with IAF planes and all

end result of all this = A near-total segregation of almost the entire North East for over fifty years. Elwin’s preservation policy left a devastating trail of Churches, inter and intra community hostilities and various secessionist movements for "Christian State of Nagaland" , "Mizo People's Republic" and what not; while rest of the union got to enjoy development and industries and upliftment of people NE got Bibles and Churches and Communism and guns.

more than krauts, it is american protestants, catholics from latin-sphere and NORWAY that are actively indulging in these activities, but it is mainly happening because of our own indifference towards these activities

Now coming to economics, India is a far larger market for German arms than Pakistan any day. Does it make any economic sense for the German Government to bar their companies from selling arms to India.

man, why are you even bothered about some damn HK416 and MP5 sells not made to us when our forces have already found alternatives to them, c'mon it's some damn guns

 

[Tridev123]

poor child, just tune to their national carrier France 24 to see it yourself lol


and it was our own chicha nehru who allowed evangelisation of entire north-east in past, practically opening that venture here

more than krauts, it is american protestants, catholics from latin-sphere and NORWAY that are actively indulging in these activities, but it is mainly happening because of our own indifference towards these activities


man, why are you even bothered about some damn HK416 and MP5 sells not made to us when our forces have already found alternatives to them, c'mon it's some damn guns

Okay, grandpa.
You like the Germans too much to hear anything to the contrary.

So the French have a worse record in supporting India.
Forget about the Vikas engine and the initial help for our fast breeder reactor programme. Just a couple of examples.

A lot of people might want to suck up to the Germans.

I guess the Germans are all saints.
I leave you to your beliefs.

I seemed to have touched a raw nerve.

Whatever makes you happy.