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[Corvus Splendens]

Explain anyone

Matching camo on every piece of equipment. Helmet cover, belts, harness, pouches, BPJs/PCs, hopefully.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Matching camo on every piece of equipment. Helmet cover, belts, harness, pouches, BPJs/PCs, hopefully.

Then make the ip available to armasen,olive planet, gearsmith thats the first step and its gonna look so dope when done

 

[Lonewarrior]

Explain anyone

Probably dealing with the comical mess they had created and choosing/retiring one of these new camo pattern

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Probably dealing with the comical mess they had created and choosing/retiring one of these new camo pattern
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Aha I see so in the end we will end up with only 1 camo that's good uniformity is great but it will probably take 5-7 years to replace all uniforms

 

[Fatalis]

 

[Lonewarrior]

Why's Sensei comparing it to Turkish one? It's completely different.

The Turkish one is 40mm in diameter and 170mm long; weighs close to 500gm.
ULPGM is quite big; 100mm in diameter, 900mm in length and almost 10kg.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars These are antiarmour ones with different casings, charge propellants, and penetrator optimizations prolly different semimolten jet specifics, we had a 40mm FSAPDS from the days of Abhay so nothing new. It's for AAP-Tr and the 2A42 "Medak" lineage not AA.

 

[standard snowball]

Matching camo on every piece of equipment. Helmet cover, belts, harness, pouches, BPJs/PCs, hopefully.

For the love of God please implement a decent camo on our military vehicles too,
koi bhi digitally disruptive pattern chalega, but just do it,
I am so freaking tired of the 60s camo present on our vehicles.
Compare that to Chinese aur Chullu bhar pani no doob Jane ka man karta hai.

 

[standard snowball]

This is old news.

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Do you have any website of HQIDS or anything from where I can gather more resources about our Defence space agency,
I couldn't find any official source that has proper details of DSA

 

[Lonewarrior]

Ya'll Nibbiars These are antiarmour ones with different casings, charge propellants, and penetrator optimizations prolly different semimolten jet specifics, we had a 40mm FSAPDS from the days of Abhay so nothing new. It's for AAP-Tr and the 2A42 "Medak" lineage not AA.

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Interesting that they're going for this design.

Usually almost all the 20-30mm calibre APFSDS are more or less like this Murican design

Even the Russian ones

Except for one very particular example;
the Chinese 30x165mm APFSDS

 

[Haldilal]

Interesting that they're going for this design.

Usually almost all the 20-30mm calibre APFSDS are more or less like this Murican design
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Even the Russian ones
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Except for one very particular example;
the Chinese 30x165mm APFSDS
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Ya'll Nibbiars Haan, woh sabot hai sirf. Propellant Cartridge nahi dikhaya hai.

This one either goes inside a cartridge like NATO 1 piece ammo.

Or stays as it is and is inserted with propellant bag seperately like in Russian 2 piece ammo.

Talking about 120mm and 125mm faspds respectively.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

 

[Lonewarrior]

Do you have any website of HQIDS or anything from where I can gather more resources about our Defence space agency,
I couldn't find any official source that has proper details of DSA

C'mon Bruh...

HQ-IDS would be the unified commanding agency for the
> existing Defence Intelligence Agency (the sneaky bastards) and the upcoming
> Strategic Missile Command (overseeing all nuclear missiles)
> Armed Forces Special Operations Division (the desi JSOC)
> Defence Cyber Agency (one the most vulnerable dimension of Indian military, obviously after mine warfare )
> Defence Space Agency (if you're following the ongoing StarLink saga in Ukr-Rus conflict you know how important this is going to be)

Which one of these big names seems casual enough that you'd find resources online!?
Those Make-I/II list and maybe guesstimations from NOTAMs would be the closest we can get to know them.

 

[mcpo117]

Interesting that they're going for this design.

Usually almost all the 20-30mm calibre APFSDS are more or less like this Murican design
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Even the Russian ones
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Except for one very particular example;
the Chinese 30x165mm APFSDS
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these are short darts?

 

[Lonewarrior]

these are short darts?

Yup, primary ammunition used on western Infantry Fighting Vehicles. Not so much in our BMP-2s as these tend to be bit costly.

It's good to see they're planning for it as these can be devasting to even a tank if you manage to somehow sneak behind it or flank it. There's a video of Ukrainian BTR-3 engaging a T-72

 

[mcpo117]

Yup, primary ammunition used on western Infantry Fighting Vehicles. Not so much in our BMP-2s as these tend to be bit costly.

It's good to see they're planning for it as these can be devasting to even a tank if you manage to somehow sneak behind it or flank it. There's a video of Ukrainian BTR-3 engaging a T-72

I thought India just started to produce sabots recently. if we had these for a long time then should have been made widespread across armor.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I thought India just started to produce sabots recently. if we had these for a long time then should have been made widespread across armor.

We had the technical know-how of making APFSDS for a very long time, but it was more focused on tank 120/125mm rounds not so much on smaller 30mm caliber.

Sometimes it becomes easier to work on bigger examples than miniaturizing it. It's easier to turn a 25mm diameter tungsten rod on a lathe than to do it on a small 5mm one.

Another issue is rifling. When you fire an APFSDS from a rifled barrel then the round will inherently rotate but APFSDS are Fin Stabilized so ultimately the round will tumble down as soon it leaves the barrel. So in rifled tank guns (like Challenger) the APFSDS has a "obturator" which causes the sabot to engage the rifling and rotate freely while the actual dart remains fixed because of fins. Making this system for a 120mm shell is easy coz you've enough space but for packing everything in a 30mm shell you need some engineering.

 

[standard snowball]

existing Defence Intelligence Agency (the sneaky bastards)

Then why is military intelligence still alive, and what different information will DIA bring in comparison to military intelligence how is DIA going to coordinate with the armed forces at the battlefield (because IDS being a different command means the relationship between IDS and Indian armed forces is not going to be any different from R&AW and Indian military relation)

and the upcoming Strategic Missile Command (overseeing all nuclear missiles)

Why would be strategic missile command be under IDS, SFC is a separate command of its own and is well integrated with NCA, bringing them under IDS doesn't make any sense it would only add to complexity in the command structure.

Defence Cyber Agency (one the most vulnerable dimension of Indian military, obviously after mine warfare )

In a country where PMO can get nearly hacked I have little to no hope for our cyberwarfare capabilities, I just hope DCA changes this situation

Defence Space Agency (if you're following the ongoing StarLink saga in Ukr-Rus conflict you know how important this is going to be)

Yes I know the importance of space force, check my posts on the space force thread, I am writing a full on thesis on this.

Which one of these big names seems casual enough that you'd find resources online!?

Nevermind https://ids.nic.in/ has enough resources to make a basic informed guess, also my main question in the previous post was about the command structure and other rudimentary stuff about IDS, which I thought would be available online

 

[FireStar]

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why can't we do something like this? This will be easier for us to do.