Arihant Roy
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What is the range and weight of Gautam and Gaurav glide bombs?
What happened to Garuthma and Garuda?
Are they in production and active service with IAF?
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What is the range and weight of Gautam and Gaurav glide bombs?
What happened to Garuthma and Garuda?
Are they in production and active service with IAF?
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Possibly will be ported to Navy's next generation destroyers.
Does not look like it can be mounted on mast. If its meant for the Project 18 destroyers, I hope it is based on some GaN tech TR modules.
LoL. GaN. w8, nvm.
Jokes apart, they are talking about algorithm programming, system testing, etc. Doesn't that mean that the TR modules for this are already done?
Is it a derivative of the High Power Radar of LRDE?
These are ground based (stationary) radars -meant for borders (or close to borders). I doubt that these 'large' radars will go on ships.
Trishul guy is saying that this is a 'longer range' version of MPATGM.
Saurav Jha's also saying that there will 'ultimately' be several ranges/versions of MPATGM (but hasn't said that this test is for longer version).
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Will it be "Man-Portable" then?
If you look at Spike family of ATGM missiles - Spike SR, Spike MR, Spike LR etc, their ease of portability varies with range - depending on the weight of both the missile & the launcher.
I wouldn't be surprised if DRDO is also trying to create a family of such missiles - for varying ranges that suits varied operations.
The pressing need however, I think, would be the Medium Range (2.5kms) version that will equip all platoons of all battalions.
My favorite config would be long range (20-25 kms) ATGM with RF data link - not necessarily man portable; much like Spike NLOS but RF datalink (which DRDO already uses on Helina) instead of optic fiber.
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If he is right, then this is more likely to be the man-portable version of the CLGM called SAMHO (6km range class). But the SAMHO does not have that kind of fin configuration.
SAMHO:-
Going by the fin configuration, it seems to be the MPATGM. See:-
This picture from VEM technologies seems to corroborate that:-
^This fin configuration closely resembles the one in the pictures from recent test firing:-
MPATGM from earlier test (pop-out test):-
ATGM are crew served weapons in the infantry. MPATGM needs to be crew portable.
Each battalion has a support company with an ATGM platoon. Each ATGM platoon has two detachments of long range ATGM (4km range Konkurs missile) and two detachments of short range ATGM (2 km range Milan 2T missile). Each detachment has two fireteams. Each fire team has a crew of two-three people to carry one launcher, tripod and missiles.
Konkurs is planned to be replaced by 5 km range man portable version of SAMHO.
Milan 2T is planned to be replaced by 2.5 km range MPATGM which was test fired recently, and Spike MR which was ordered last year.
All these systems weigh comparable to existing ones in weight and are an upgrade in technology and range.
Costs might be lower for the systems that are indigenous.
So as a crew served weapon, these are man-portable.
The non-man portable ATGM under procurement/development are the NAG (to be deployed by the Recce and Support battalions of Mech Infantry), HELINA and SANT (which will be deployed by Rudra and LCH attack heptr squadrons of the Strike corps) and the Hellfire (to be deployed by the Apache attack heptr squadrons of the Strike Corps).
Its a multi function radar. We are not sure of its dimensions yet. I was hoping that DRDO would be working on a radar for Project 18 destroyers by now. If we are unable to produce such a radar, maybe the Americans would offer
BTW, I am not sure about the need for permanent multi function ground based radars. The only kinds of permanent air defence radars we should need are the BMD radars (like M-MOTR, Green Pine and its DRDO version) and the DRDO High Power Radar (HPR), which is an air defence detection radar. The fire control radar function will be provided by the individual battery radars, will it not?
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SAMHO has never been mentioned as an 'approved' DRDO project. It might have existed as an 'concept' but it hasn't taken off.If he is right, then this is more likely to be the man-portable version of the CLGM called SAMHO (6km range class). But the SAMHO does not have that kind of fin configuration.
SAMHO:-
The tested missile is an MPATGM (with thermal seeker). The range is in question. Next month's DRDO's newsletter should settle the details! Until then, we can have fun with speculationsGoing by the fin configuration, it seems to be the MPATGM. See:-
This picture from VEM technologies seems to corroborate that:-
^This fin configuration closely resembles the one in the pictures from recent test firing:-
MPATGM from earlier test (pop-out test):-
That structure of exclusive ATGM platoons might be dated. I think every infantry platoon will be equipped with MPATGMs (like Carl Gustafs is used today by every platoon). Specialized vehicle mounted or long-range ATGM units might still exist.
When the description itself says that it's a 'long range MFR, then why wouldn't it be in the same league as Green Pine etc? The twin panel clearly indicates one-sided long-range surveillance from a permanent structure. BMD radar will have 360 degree surveillance (as they are point/area defence systems, not border/direction defence)
Cool!
They were also supposed to retrofit the seeker on all the missiles that are already operational. Wonder when that retrofit would be approved.
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This I believe is most probably the first pic of AKASH-NG. One can see the outline of Akash MK1 superimposed on the background of the missile. AKASH-NG is smaller and more compact than Akash MK1. It also has foldable rear and fore fins , which is necessary as it is cannister launched.
For comparison at extreme right
The guys at Delhi defence review who took the pic had no idea of what the missile was.
For comparison at extreme right
The guys at Delhi defence review who took the pic had no idea of what the missile was.
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Nice catch on the overlay !!!!!!!!!!!!
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No don't think so ....................
This is what I mean when I imply that some DRDO folks can't tell their own ass from their mouth :
DRDO's newsletter has re-purposed a fanboy created fictional image of 'Helina in quad pack'. The missile in the picture is actually Israeli Lahat; the fanboy photoshopped 'Helina' word onto it. This image has circulated in so many forums - convincing other fanboys that it's Helina in quad-pack. But one would expect DRDO to know it's own missile better!! DRDO doesn't care squat when it's doing PR towards common 'junta'
DRDO's newsletter has re-purposed a fanboy created fictional image of 'Helina in quad pack'. The missile in the picture is actually Israeli Lahat; the fanboy photoshopped 'Helina' word onto it. This image has circulated in so many forums - convincing other fanboys that it's Helina in quad-pack. But one would expect DRDO to know it's own missile better!! DRDO doesn't care squat when it's doing PR towards common 'junta'
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DESIDOC has done the same mistake 2 years ago .This is what I mean when I imply that some DRDO folks can't tell their own ass from their mouth :
DRDO's newsletter has re-purposed a fanboy created fictional image of 'Helina in quad pack'. The missile in the picture is actually Israeli Lahat; the fanboy photoshopped 'Helina' word onto it. This image has circulated in so many forums - convincing other fanboys that it's Helina in quad-pack. But one would expect DRDO to know it's own missile better!! DRDO doesn't care squat when it's doing PR towards common 'junta'
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Development Trials of Astra BVR-AAM Completed Successfully
A series of flight trials of Astra Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVR-AAM) was conducted by Indian Air Force during September 26 to October 03, 2018 at Integrated Test Range (ITR), Balasore as part of final development trials of the missile.
The trials were a combination of complex tests for engagement of pilotless target in different modes of manoeuvring, off-boresight, medium and long ranges. The missiles were telemetered for evaluation of online performance of all sub-systems especially the datalink, RF seeker and proximity fuse for end-game performance. Astra has been tested six times under different launch conditions and ranges as part of the final development trial. The missile has engaged targets and all the mission objectives have been met.
With IAF's active participation, DRDO has developed the missile and integrated the weapon on Su-30 and other air platforms. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), Nasik has been instrumental in the modification of a number of Su-30 aircrafts for Astra weapon integration and support during trials. More than 50 private and public sector industries are involved in the development and production of different sub-systems of the missile. The missile is expected to be inducted into IAF in 2019.
Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman congratulated DRDO, IAF, HAL and associated industries for successful trials.
SRR/Nampi/Rajib
A series of flight trials of Astra Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVR-AAM) was conducted by Indian Air Force during September 26 to October 03, 2018 at Integrated Test Range (ITR), Balasore as part of final development trials of the missile.
The trials were a combination of complex tests for engagement of pilotless target in different modes of manoeuvring, off-boresight, medium and long ranges. The missiles were telemetered for evaluation of online performance of all sub-systems especially the datalink, RF seeker and proximity fuse for end-game performance. Astra has been tested six times under different launch conditions and ranges as part of the final development trial. The missile has engaged targets and all the mission objectives have been met.
With IAF's active participation, DRDO has developed the missile and integrated the weapon on Su-30 and other air platforms. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), Nasik has been instrumental in the modification of a number of Su-30 aircrafts for Astra weapon integration and support during trials. More than 50 private and public sector industries are involved in the development and production of different sub-systems of the missile. The missile is expected to be inducted into IAF in 2019.
Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman congratulated DRDO, IAF, HAL and associated industries for successful trials.
SRR/Nampi/Rajib
