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The rate at which automated code generation tools are improving, how long do you think before this too dries up?? I give these guys 5 years, 10 max.
I guess you are talking about IT sector, then highly experienced loyal ones keep their jobs, rest depending on productivity creativity communication skills, max 15 years rest max 10 years, a major reason why they are getting high package. Brilliant ones already started for locking for options, high salary jobs only for small periods [3 to 15 years] and only few gets promotion. Biggest issue is sale of company, like twitter.
 

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The rate at which automated code generation tools are improving, how long do you think before this too dries up?? I give these guys 5 years, 10 max.
You forget In Software GIGO rules. You might have automated code generation building you a solution. But you would still require people to vett through code with fine comb.

There are already many no code tool available. Still you need to spend considerable time finding workarounds on some tasks. There already many built in Machine Algo , yet most complex problems require designing your own.

Other disruptor which is coming is quantum computing.
 

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You are basing your argument on the assumption that these AI tools will forever remain stuck in their present form when the speed and nature of their progression and level of maturity (case in point being the night and day difference between GPT-3 and GPT-4) have shown the case to be anything but.
I'm not claiming these tools have already matured to the level necessary for them to replace human programmers just yet, but who knows what they will be like 5 years from now!! Forget five years, at this point, we can't even deign to predict what it's gonna be like in the next six months!!

You forget In Software GIGO rules. You might have automated code generation building you a solution. But you would still require people to vett through code with fine comb.
Allow me to present to you the mighty (and spooky GPT-4!! It can do code generation, bug detection, automated testing, and much more!!
You can just highlight a piece of code in your script, and it will spit out a test for you in seconds!!
You are finding it impossible to figure out the function a particular line of code is playing?? Worry not!! Just highlight it and GPT-4 will promptly explain it to you by commenting it out.
It gave you a wonky code?? No biggie, just feed the error message back into the console, and it will spit out the correct one.
This thing (GPT-4, I mean) can create a fully functioning web site, complete with a search bar, widgets, and whatnot, from a simple hand-drawn design, as shown in their tech demo!! And it will continue to improve and mature. Now, just think about the implications and what it's gonna do to web developers.

I say, it's gonna get progressively worse for IT professionals in the coming years, especially for the newly minted ones. I mean, when the IBM CEO claims that they are looking to replace upwards of 40 percent of their workforce with AI in the next couple of years (and that projection is based on the assumption that the tech does not progress from current level!), then..... well, shit doesn't get any more real than that.

There are already many no code tool available. Still you need to spend considerable time finding workarounds on some tasks. There already many built in Machine Algo , yet most complex problems require designing your own.
Yeah but for how long?? That's the question to ask here.
 

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You are basing your argument on the assumption that these AI tools will forever remain stuck in their present form when the speed and nature of their progression and level of maturity (case in point being the night and day difference between GPT-3 and GPT-4) have shown the case to be anything but.
I'm not claiming these tools have already matured to the level necessary for them to replace human programmers just yet, but who knows what they will be like 5 years from now!! Forget five years, at this point, we can't even deign to predict what it's gonna be like in the next six months!!


Allow me to present to you the mighty (and spooky GPT-4!! It can do code generation, bug detection, automated testing, and much more!!
You can just highlight a piece of code in your script, and it will spit out a test for you in seconds!!
You are finding it impossible to figure out the function a particular line of code is playing?? Worry not!! Just highlight it and GPT-4 will promptly explain it to you by commenting it out.
It gave you a wonky code?? No biggie, just feed the error message back into the console, and it will spit out the correct one.
This thing (GPT-4, I mean) can create a fully functioning web site, complete with a search bar, widgets, and whatnot, from a simple hand-drawn design, as shown in their tech demo!! And it will continue to improve and mature. Now, just think about the implications and what it's gonna do to web developers.

I say, it's gonna get progressively worse for IT professionals in the coming years, especially for the newly minted ones. I mean, when the IBM CEO claims that they are looking to replace upwards of 40 percent of their workforce with AI in the next couple of years (and that projection is based on the assumption that the tech does not progress from current level!), then..... well, shit doesn't get any more real than that.



Yeah but for how long?? That's the question to ask here.
look Mate We humans have been fearing Humans since invention of Steam Engine. Chat GPT shall not be used everywhere and anywhere. Tell me as a car company can they rely on GPT to provide you proprietary BMS, ADAS Logic, Engine Control etc? What about banking? How about writing FCS. Or Custom ISRO Rover Flight Control S/W? Until unless you have a custom GPT-4 /AI Algo fed with your environment parameters, Training data - it wont give you optimum solution.

In the scenario you mentioned - yes run of the mill Web Development, Games and lot of freelancing work shall see a change. But even in scenario you mentioned. Someone would need to feed the problems and integrate the solutions. And mark my words Chat GOT -4 shall become paid service in coming future. Depending upon how cost effective a Chat GPT-4 vs a paid intern - shall be yet to be seen. IT is not all about just writing code - a lot goes in requirement gathering, understanding existing processes. proposing refinement and solutions associated with them. Convincing Client for the same. Then comes your actual architecture of proposed solution and then comes your coding, testing, integration testing, deployment testing - feedback - re patch your software - rinse repeat. Chat GPT - 4 could be leveraged at certain places with assistance.

But the time where an organization pops a chat GPT-4 to streamline its internal process is quite far. It may ask for its deficiencies via sentiment analysis and ask for feedback for improvement. But complete automation is far off.

Case in TCS is currently working in its own version f Chat GPT - 4 which can churn out enterprise code.
 

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So DFI attracts crackpots now.
 

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Well it's not stealthy that's for sure with canards and those engine placement maybe it's an early design
And judging from the picture maybe it's not even unmanned...look closely

The Alpha Defence model looks DRDOish by look of it and colour scheme.

But that GodOfParadox one looks like some DefenceAnalyst modeled it from the leaked picture. DRDO or HAL is yet to become so aesthetics ka 14 that they'll use a dark model on black background.
 
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And judging from the picture maybe it's not even unmanned...look closely

The Alpha Defence model looks DRDOish by look of it and colour scheme.

But that GodOfParadox one looks like some DefenceAnalyst modeled it from the leaked picture. DRDO or HAL is yet to become so aesthetics ka 14 that they'll use a dark model on black background.
That's true if it's manned/unmanned what do you think it could be a bomber?
 

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