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About replacing AK630. DAMN RIGHT WE HAVE TO. But it's not a priority unfortunately. The Barak 8 has made the IN supremely confident in its AD capabilities
The point with CIWS is that lot of ammunition can be stored. Each shell weighs 400gram and 1000 shells can be stored for the weight of 1 Barak 8. But it has been shown that phalanx can't actually shoot accurately enough to take down a missile. That is also the reason Israel uses expensive Iron dome instead of phalanx. If it was so easy that a shell could take down incoming missile, that exactly would have been done in Israel. Shells are utterly cheap and small in size to be stored easily and Israel would not waste $40000 to hit back at $400 RPG.

Thinking of it for a while after reading about iron dome, the closed loop system in CIWS does not make sense as the accuracy is too poor for getting feedback. The gattling gun is never accurate anyways. The gun simply has to fire at the direction of the missile as determined by radar. The bullets will not be guided to the missile. So, the feedback is unlikely to help. In case of CIWS, I don't see any problem with open loop unless the system also fires specialised ammunition with guidance.

People probably got confused.
Multibarrel CIWS like Phalanx and AK630 are used as last ditch effort against SAM and an additional role as anti-pirate/anti-terrorist (Remember USS Cole)
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20mm/30mm single barrel guns are to be used in patrol boats for dedicated anti-pirate role.
Little or no antiSAM role except for maybe slow moving helos.
This is CRN-91. Its based on BMP-2 turret. Gun suffers from poor firecontrol issues
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Possible BHEL replacement for this gun.

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As you can see unlike anti SAM CIWS (5000 rouns/min) we are developing "anti-pirate" CIWS (200rds/min)
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We are not replacing AK-630 anytime soon.
Only INS Jalashwa is equipped with Phalanx.
CRN-91 is on its way out.
Correction: Anti-SAM makes no sense. One does not shoot down SAM missiles from a ship/land platform. SAM means surface to air missile. I am sure you meant anti-ship missile (ASM).

Considering the experience from the fact that phalanx is not exactly a success even in intercepting RPGs, I would count on CIWS, open or closed loop to defend against missiles. So, it is best to not waste time in replacing AK630. It is working as well as it can anyways.

About CRN91 being replaced, the technology is primitive and it won't be hard to replace it. ALso, some stealth features like internal barrel has to be added to make the ship stealthy.
 
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Ship launch system

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Remember I told you guys about the SLS being part of the floating test range together with the 2 DRDO Missile Range Instrumentation Ships (MRIS) and other telemetry ships.

Note the 4th picture

Also hypothetically the SLS gives India the capability to arm civilian ships much like the klub container launch system. 1/2 SLS fitted inside a appropriate container aboard a non descriptive civilian container ship.

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klub container launch system

Think about this possibility.

Pic credit delhidefencereview.com
 
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Ship launch system

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@Chinmoy
@sayareakd

Remember I told you guys about the SLS being part of the floating test range together with the 2 DRDO Missile Range Instrumentation Ships (MRIS) and other telemetry ships.

Note the 4th picture

Also hypothetically the SLS gives India the capability to arm civilian ships much like the klub container launch system. 1/2 SLS fitted inside a appropriate container aboard a non descriptive civilian container ship.

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Think about this possibility.
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This pic with above actually allow our ships to reload Brahmos at sea. Or even complete canister sealed with Brahmos at sea into launch sets.

Great info, i remember discussing it with navy guys, who said its not possible at sea. Thus shows it is and take us to different level altogether.

Now few ships could take out entire PN.
 

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This pic with above actually allow our ships to reload Brahmos at sea. Or even complete canister sealed with Brahmos at sea into launch sets.

Great info, i remember discussing it with navy guys, who said its not possible at sea. Thus shows it is and take us to different level altogether.

Now few ships could take out entire PN.
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The above system I believe is for the SLS loading and unloading of missiles while at sea. I had mentioned about the possibility previously
ie underdeck loading and unloading.

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As for indian navy rumours of LRSAM having reloads is quite persistent.

It is understandable if navy denies the capability.

As for brahmos it's entire 8 cell vls will need to be tilted horizontally for reloading via the above system.

Interestingly the Russians employ rotating circular magazine. Wonder if it inspired us in some ways ( I will post about it later )

So as you said i too agree that it is safe to assume that we might end up with a reloading system at sea for our main offensive missile systems sooner or later based on the experience gathered via the new developments.
 
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The SLS system seems to be geared towards maximum of Shaurya launch. 7 tonne and 10 m long corresponds to the K-15 (6.2 tonne and 10 m long). Hope they can also use it from brahmos series and other SAM's.
 

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