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New smoke grenades for army battle tanks

Pune: The Indian Army’ss tanks and infantry fighting vehicles (BMPs) will soon be equipped with advanced smoke grenades to confound enemy forces.
The anti-thermal and anti-laser grenades will create a short-duration smoke screen to prevent detection in battle by the hostile battle tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

“The grenade generates thick smoke, completely blinding the enemy party. Even thermal imager and laser rangefinders on enemy vehicles would not be able to detect our tanks,” a senior scientist with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) said.

At the moment, the Indian tanks and BMPs are equipped with the 3D6 smoke grenade, which is effective only in the visible region of the electromagnetic spectrum. “This can pose problems in a tank-to-tank battle,” a scientist said.

DRDO’s Pune-based laboratory, High Energy Materials Research Laboratory, developed the new grenade in 2014 as an alternative to the Russian projectiles. Several trials were since carried out by scientists and army authorities at the K K Range in Ahmednagar.

“The army has sanctioned the newly-developed smoke grenade last year. We have recently signed a transfer of technology agreement with the Ordnance Factory, Dehu Road, as well as a Nagpur-based private firm for mass production,” K P S Murthy, HEMRL director, said.

“Manoeuvring tanks effectively is crucial during a battle. An advanced smoke grenade is key to changing the position of a tank, particularly during a battle,” a senior armoured corps officer said.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...or-army-battle-tanks/articleshow/64035138.cms
 

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@Sancho look at 8:30 about GaN radar research done by DRDO. So much for your ranting about lack of GaN foundry
Please don't waste my time with your uneducated nonsense.

The government itselfs confirms, that now funding for GaN was provided and Sjha has reported about this several times now, which makes your usual comments, just pointless.
 

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I suggest them to search anything related aerospace quoting drdo, they will get several papers regarding that. Vision is the difference.
And I suggest to read up the recent Livefist series, foreign defence journalists were interviewed about Indian defence and aviation projects. If you want a reality check, read what they had to say about Tejas, or AMCA.
 

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You're inferiority complex
:biggrin2: The only once that feel inferior are, several of those who thanked you for this nonsense post, because they are not able to counter me with facts, arguments and credible sources!
But then again, my intent is to seek and share credible informations, not just add to fantasies and make uneducated feel good posts. @Kshithij got that covered anyway.

So if you want to have proper discussions, I'm always looking for good infos, but if you have nothing more to provide than your hurt feelings, just ignore my posts and we both can focus on more interesting stuff.
 

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Please don't waste my time with your uneducated nonsense.

The government itselfs confirms, that now funding for GaN was provided and Sjha has reported about this several times now, which makes your usual comments, just pointless.
That's not true at all. Gov didn't provide fund for IISc foundry, IISc foundry if for commercial use, foundry for GaN for military will be or probably it is being established at GAETEC. Gov is keen on putting SiC foundry which is again a good option over GaN.

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And I suggest to read up the recent Livefist series, foreign defence journalists were interviewed about Indian defence and aviation projects. If you want a reality check, read what they had to say about Tejas, or AMCA.
Livefist blogs aren't news but are written perspective, what those experts said was what they were told to say(they hardly know about the projects when asked randomly) , and I have more trust on reading research papers over some fantasy shit of good language, but indeed shit is shit. It's hilarious that to prove your point, your bringing live fist blog in bw which is indeed a "blog".

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And I suggest to read up the recent Livefist series, foreign defence journalists were interviewed about Indian defence and aviation projects. If you want a reality check, read what they had to say about Tejas, or AMCA.
Foreign defence journalists' opinion of Tejas or AMCA matters more??

This is reality check? You should get more sane
 

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Does India have the ability to make Laser Designator Pods (LDP)? Why does India import Litening pods from Rafael of Israel? Is it to reverse engineer? It is hard to believe that India can make advanced seekers for brahmos with pin point accuracy, make AESA radars but not be able to make LDP
 

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Does India have the ability to make Laser Designator Pods (LDP)? Why does India import Litening pods from Rafael of Israel? Is it to reverse engineer? It is hard to believe that India can make advanced seekers for brahmos with pin point accuracy, make AESA radars but not be able to make LDP
You got your physics concepts messed up once again! Seeker technology is quite different from that of LDPs (other than the obvious presence/absence of lasers).
LDPs require highly sensitive actuators; India imports even run-of-the-mill actuators even for controlling flight surfaces.
 

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You got your physics concepts messed up once again! Seeker technology is quite different from that of LDPs (other than the obvious presence/absence of lasers).
LDPs require highly sensitive actuators; India imports even run-of-the-mill actuators even for controlling flight surfaces.
Is actuator a high end technology? India simply imports those actuators which is required in low quantity, not because of lack of technology. Military grade items require certain quality and to maintain that we will have to run certain machinery though the requirements is minimal. So, we choose to import.

Coming back to LDP, these are not high end technology in any manner. India also has made similar laser designator for ATGM launcher which is hand held.
 

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Is actuator a high end technology? India simply imports those actuators which is required in low quantity, not because of lack of technology. Military grade items require certain quality and to maintain that we will have to run certain machinery though the requirements is minimal. So, we choose to import.

Coming back to LDP, these are not high end technology in any manner. India also has made similar laser designator for ATGM launcher which is hand held.
Fistly, handhelds don't have 'electro mechanical' actuators - they have biological actuators (human hands) !!

Not all actuators are made equal. Just like a kerosene stove sold in a local store is not the same as a jet engine!!!

You have a habit of making up stuff that you have no idea about! Who told you that India chose to import actuators because they're required in small quantities??
The official reason why Rustom program ( and to some extent even Tejas in the earlier phases) was delayed is that the required actuators were in list of 'sensitive items' for those countries and those countries refused to sell them easily!!!
 

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Fistly, handhelds don't have 'electro mechanical' actuators - they have biological actuators (human hands) !!

Not all actuators are made equal. Just like a kerosene stove sold in a local store is not the same as a jet engine!!!

You have a habit of making up stuff that you have no idea about! Who told you that India chose to import actuators because they're required in small quantities??
The official reason why Rustom program ( and to some extent even Tejas in the earlier phases) was delayed is that the required actuators were in list of 'sensitive items' for those countries and those countries refused to sell them easily!!!
India already has Litening pods. So, India will know how things work. Hence India can make one pod of its own by starting a project. That is what I am asking- does India have a project to make LDP.
 

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India already has Litening pods. So, India will know how things work. Hence India can make one pod of its own by starting a project. That is what I am asking- does India have a project to make LDP.
Having something doesn't mean mastering the complete science/technology behind the product. India has had fighter jets for decades but still imports actuators for Tejas, Rustom etc.
Irrespective of LDPs or not, India should invest in mastering the precision engineering technology.
 
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70 successful drdo product s
A old list though.....

1) 81 mm Anti Thermal Anti Laser Smoke Grenade
2) Active Antenna Array Unit
3) Air Defence Fire Control Radar
4) Airborne Early Warning & Control System
5) Akash Weapon Systems
6) Anti G Suit Mk-III
7) Aslesha Radar
8) Auto injector Atropine Sulphate
9) Bi Modular Charge System
10) Bomb 120 mm ILLG
11) Bomb 120 mm Mortar HE
12) Bomb 81 mm Mortar HE
13) Bomb 81 mm Mortar PWP
14) Bomb Mortar 51 mm HE Mk-II
15) Bomb Mortar 51 mm ILLG
16) Bomb Mortar 51 mm Smoke
17) Bomb Mortar 81 mm ILLG
18) Bridge Layer Tank T-72 (BLT-72)
19) Cartridge ERU for aircraft with Package
20) Cartridge Primary for 120 mm Mortar
21) Cartridge SA 5.56 mm Ball
22) Cartridge Signal 16 mm 1A
23) Cartridges 105 mm IFG NC
24) Cartridges 22” RF Ball
25) CBRNe Remotely Operated Vehicle
26) Chemical Agent Monitor
27) Coastal Surveillance Radar
28) Commander’s Thermal Imager for T-90
29) Commander’s Thermal Imager for BMP Tanks
30) Commander’s Thermal Imager Mk-II for T-72
31) Communication Link Controller
32) Digital Radar Warning Receiver
33) Display Processor
34) E1 Link Encryptor
35) Electronic Support Measure (ESM), Varuna
36) EW Programme - Samudrika
37) Explosive Detection Kit
38) Explosive Reactive Armour Mk-II
39) Fuze 213 Mk-V M2
40) Heavy Drop System
41) Helmet Mounted Thermal Imaging Camera
42) Holographic Sights for Small Weapons
43) Identification of Friend and Foe System
44) Integrated Multi-function Sight
45) Laser based Directed Energy System
46) Mine AP M16 and AP NM-14
47) Mission Computer
48) Mobile Autonomous Robotic System
49) Mountain Foot Bridge
50) NBC Canister
51) NBC Filter
52) Optical Target Locator
53) Personal Decontamination Kit
54) Phase Control Module
55) Pinaka Launcher Mk -II
56) Radar Computer I & II
57) Radar Warning Receiver
58) Resin based Combustible Cartridge Case for 120 mm FSAPDS Mk-II Ammunition
59) Revathi Radar
60) Rotating Telemetry System
61) Secure Adapter for Frame Relay Encryptor
62) Secure Multi Interface Link Encryptor
63) Shell 105 mm IFG BE Smoke
64) Shell 105 mm ILG Mk-I
65) Short Range Laser Dazzler
66) Three Colour Detector
67) Through Wall Imaging Radar
68) Weapon Locating Radar (WLR)
69) Wheeled Armoured Platform
70) X-Band Microwave Power Module
 

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Having something doesn't mean mastering the complete science/technology behind the product. India has had fighter jets for decades but still imports actuators for Tejas, Rustom etc.
Irrespective of LDPs or not, India should invest in mastering the precision engineering technology.
Actuators were vetoed for Rustom, and for LCA, actuators are being tested which will replace moog.

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