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Anti-tank missile Helina fired from ALH at a high altitude
India on Monday successfully test-fired a locally developed anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), Helina, from the advanced light helicopter (ALH) at high altitude, with the latest launch paving the way for the weapon’s integration with the chopper, the defence ministry said.
Anti-tank missiles Helina and Dhruvastra successfully tested, ready for induction in armed forces
Secretary of Department of Defence Research and Development and DRDO Chairman Dr G Satheesh Reddy said Helina is one of the most-advanced anti-tank weapons in the world. Now the missile systems are ready for induction, he said.
Union Defence Minister Rajnath Singh congratulated DRDO, the Indian Army and Indian Air Force for the successful trials.




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Anti-tank missile completes all trials
The helicopter-launched Nag Anti-Tank Guided Missile (ATGM), Helina, being developed indigenously, has completed all trials and the process for issuing of Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) by the Army has started, said Dr. Sachin Sood, Project Director of Helina and Dhruvastra at the Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) Hyderabad, a laboratory of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
“The launcher and missile are ready. There are some Human Machine Interface (HMI) to be realised which are going on now,” Dr. Sood told The Hindu . While the cost estimate is yet to be done, each missile is expected to cost under ₹1 crore and initially around 500 missiles and 40 launchers will be required, he says.
Once the AoN is issued, the Request for Proposal (RFP) will be issued. Some firing trials will be done from the first production lot by the Army at a later stage.
Indian Army Delays Induction of New Anti-Tank Guided Missile
The induction of the missile has now been delayed by over a decade. One of the major issues remains the Nag’s high price tag and various technical shortcoming including thermal sensors that are still not “up to the requirement,” another Indian Army official related to Defense News. Overall, the Indian Army plans to procure up to 8,000 Nags with an immediate requirement of 2,000 ATGMs. However, the service is expected to place an order for only 500 NAGs initially
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Nag anti-tank missile back in reckoning
Rajat Pandit, TNN Jul 12, 2008, 03.56am IST

NEW DELHI: Eighteen years after it was first tested, the meandering saga of the indigenous Nag anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) is finally entering the climax phase after an expenditure of over Rs 300 crore.
Or so it seems, with Defence Research and Development Organisation planning the "final developmental flight trials" of Nag at Pokhran on July 27-28, which will be followed by the "user-trials" in mid-September, say sources.

Having placed an order for 443 Nag missiles and 13 Namicas (Nag missile tracked carriers) for induction over three years, the Army is keeping its fingers firmly crossed.
The urgent need for ATGMs can be gauged from the fact that after ordering 4,000 Konkurs-M missiles, the Army is now looking for 4,100 "advanced" ATGMs with tandem warheads for "better kill probability" of enemy tanks.
The Army, in fact, has agreed to reframe its GSQRs (general staff qualitative requirements) for the 4,100 new missiles - by reducing its "essential" strike range from 2,000 metres to 1,850 metres - to enable defence PSU Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) to participate in the programme.
BDL, incidentally, manufactures variants of the second-generation 2-km-range "Milan" and 4-km-range "Konkurs" ATGMs, under licence from French and Russian companies, at around Rs 4.50 lakh per unit.
The third-generation Nag missile, with a four-km strike range, will also be manufactured by BDL. But there is many a slip between the cup and the lip.
Over 60 developmental trials of Nag have been conducted over the years but recurring problems in the guidance systems, especially in the "imaging infra-red (IIR) sensor-based seeker", has meant the missile is still to become fully operational. DRDO, however, is quite confident now, holding that Nag will be among the world's most advanced ATGMs, better than other contemporary missiles like Israeli 2.5-km Gill and four-km Spike missiles.
"The Army has already accepted the Nag, which has fire-and-forget, day-and-night and top-attack (the missile pops up and hits the tank's vulnerable upper portion like the gun-turret) capabilities," said a DRDO official. "There have been delays due to import embargoes, problems in development of the IIR seeker, change in NAMICA configurations and the like. But Nag, which also has high immunity to counter-measures, is fully-ready now," he added.
Apart from the NAMICA platform, that can carry 12 missiles, Nag will also have an airborne version named "Helina" to be fitted on the Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter, which will be configured to carry eight missiles in two launchers.
Incidentally, Nag was one of the "core missile systems" of the country's original Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP), launched as far back as in 1983. Announcing the IGMDP's "virtual closure" earlier this year, DRDO declared that development work on all other missiles - Agni, Prithvi, Akash and Trishul - had been completed.
Though work on "strategic" long-range nuclear-capable missiles like Agni-III (3,500-km range) and Agni-V (over 5,000-km) will still be "undertaken in-house", India will also look at foreign collaboration in other armament projects to cut down on delays.
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Basically I'm reading same thing again & again for last two decade- nag development complected/on going - lsp soon
 

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If we are really serious about TAPAS MALE/HALE we should ditch underpowered piston engines and go for turboprop engines with > 800Hp power output. If DRDO cannot make it in-house, import them as we do for Tejas till a homegrown solution is not ready.

Turkey uses Motor Sich turboprop engines which are manufactured in Ukraine, and their UAVs are selling like hot cake, going neck-to-neck with Chinese and American UAVs in performance.
Piston engine has some advantage over turboprop in cost, maintenance and over all low SFC.
 

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Anti-tank missile Helina fired from ALH at a high altitude

Anti-tank missiles Helina and Dhruvastra successfully tested, ready for induction in armed forces
Secretary of Department of Defence Research and Development and DRDO Chairman Dr G Satheesh Reddy said Helina is one of the most-advanced anti-tank weapons in the world. Now the missile systems are ready for induction, he said.
Union Defence Minister Rajnath Singh congratulated DRDO, the Indian Army and Indian Air Force for the successful trials.




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Basically I'm reading same thing again & again for last two decade- nag development complected/on going - lsp soon
i used to get frustrated about these things in early years of DFI, it took me a few years figure out why this is the case.

these kinds of news reports were coming out/still do come out when there is a deadlock/stalemate in communication between forces and DRDO/DPSUs. they used to communicate thru news articles, in such circumstances to put pressure on each other depending on where the stalemate is.

in effect, these statements are not facts, rather pressure tactics between stake holders.

latest example is the news on Project-17A.
 

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i don't think indian defence market is cost senstive, also my orignal post was regarding the capabilities of these companies that they have the required engineering prowess to make such an engine, and if they were involved in the devlopment of bharat powerpack, the work on the engine could be completed in a smaller timeframe
I had not mention it regarding defense industry.

They are manufacturing civilian vehicles for decades now. Engine is an essential component of civilian market too. They have not developed engines for vehicles whose sales stand at 100 vehicles per month. So how could you expect them to invest in engine tech for vehicles whose sales would stand at 100 vehicle per year?
 

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Which Israeli RADAR?
Aren't we using Israeli radar in alh mk-4 for Navy and coast guard
Even in dornier I think
After this we will have indigenous option to put in nuh
Earlier I personally thought nuh will have same Israeli radar
 

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Yes. Trails are never ending process. But members here blow their fuse (if they have any) at the mere mention of Trials.
I am very curious to know whether these semi/autonomous UGVs will take the roles of marksman and anti tank operators in future. This would kind of give developers some margin to play around weight dimensions...
 
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Indian scientists create ‘rat cyborgs’ for security forces' intelligence surveillance (msn.com)

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation's (DRDO) premier R&D facility is creating “rat cyborgs” which will help in security forces' recovery operations and intelligence surveillance, said an official.

Indian scientists create ‘rat cyborgs’ for security forces' intelligence surveillance
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A team of DRDO's Young Scientist Laboratory is working on these rat cyborgs which will have cameras placed on the head and electronic commands will be used to guide them using semi-invasive brain electrodes, said DRDO’s Young Scientist Laboratory (DYSL-AT) Director, P Shiva Prasad, after the World Science Congress' session.

“This is the first time India had engaged in developing such technology. Some foreign nations already have it. It will help armed forces in Intelligence Surveillance and Recovery (ISR) operations. Phase 1 trials, in which the rat will be controlled through commands of the operator, are underway,” Prasad said.

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“In Phase 2, scientists can actually feed images into the camera mounted on the head for the rat cyborg to find. An example of its use could be a situation like the 26/11 terror attack in which more than 200 rooms of a hotel had to be searched,” he added.

He explained that remote-controlled robots, which engage in ISR operations, face manoeuvrability issues like entering narrow spaces and climbing walls.

He added that rats have more endurance for such tasks and scientists know how to encourage them by offering incentives based on food for missions.

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“In Phase 1, the electrodes will need to be implanted in the brain of the rats, while in Phase 2, we will go for wireless transmission. We have used three to four rats for the lab tests,” Prasad said.

(With inputs from agencies)
 

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