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[ezsasa]

DRDO indictive technology roadmap till 2025

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What are the chances that more than 50% of the items in the list has nothing to do with the forces. Most of them are DRDO's own initiative, rather than as a requirement from the forces.

 

[porky_kicker]

What are the chances that more than 50% of the items in the list has nothing to do with the forces. Most of them are DRDO's own initiative, rather than as a requirement from the forces.

What are the chances that more than 50% of the items are the building blocks of weapon systems which will be required by the military ?

As far as I am concerned almost all are relevant technologies which needs to be developed inorder to stay in step with present and future requirements.

Can you name one technology from the list which you or the military might think is irrelevant?

 

[Kshithij]

DRDO indictive technology roadmap till 2025

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The list of 2016-2020 appears to have been almost completed. The list of items from 2021-2025 appears to be IT related except for Ramjet engine which means it is likely to be more sure-shot considering India's IT expertise.

 

[ezsasa]

What are the chances that more than 50% of the items are the building blocks of weapon systems which will be required by the military ?

As far as I am concerned almost all are relevant technologies which needs to be developed inorder to stay in step with present and future requirements.

Can you name one technology from the list which you or the military might think is irrelevant?

mine is a slightly different observation.

My point is that when these prospective technologies lists that are drawn out by MoD/DRDO, There are no indications that these requirements are coming from forces. atleast i haven't heard IA or IAF talk about prospective technologies, they always talk about prospective equipment to purchase.

 

[NeXoft007]

New DRDO Project has emerged out, termed as "Project LRCV" or Long Range Cruise Vehicle.

 

[Suryavanshi]

New DRDO Project has emerged out, termed as "Project LRCV" or Long Range Cruise Vehicle.

Any more info brother the term seem to vague

 

[rone]

I hope it will some thing like Strom Shadow like cm..

 

[NeXoft007]

Any more info brother the term seem to vague

It's being termed as vehicle instead of missile. Could possibly be a high altitude cruising warhead with integrated rocket motors.

 

[porky_kicker]

mine is a slightly different observation.

My point is that when these prospective technologies lists that are drawn out by MoD/DRDO, There are no indications that these requirements are coming from forces. atleast i haven't heard IA or IAF talk about prospective technologies, they always talk about prospective equipment to purchase.

My feeling is indian military is not pro active when it comes to technology, they are more into complete finished products

This is due to the buyer mindset not developer mindset. Look at the Israeli forces and how they work with their defence companies.

Fortunately navy is more pro active than the others and they frame technology requirements in consultation with drdo. However it still needs to be done on a larger scale.

Hence u see more locally developed products making into navy successfully.

Hopefully rest of the forces will follow suit .

 

[Enquirer]

It's being termed as vehicle instead of missile. Could possibly be a high altitude cruising warhead with integrated rocket motors.

Could it be the "reusable missile" (vehicle) that Abdul Kalam was always pushing for?

 

[NeXoft007]

Could it be the "reusable missile" (vehicle) that Abdul Kalam was always pushing for?

LOL. That Guru Kalam's dream will bear fruits only at mid 2020s, not before that. It "WILL BE" Brahmos 3.

 

[Enquirer]

LOL. That Guru Kalam's dream will bear fruits only at mid 2020s, not before that. It "WILL BE" Brahmos 3.

Well, if this project is just taking off (like you're saying), it's more than likely it won't be ready until mid 2020s anyways!

The word 'vehicle' does suggest some kind of reuse & ferrying capability. Doesn't it?

Also, is this mentioned in the defense committee document (that listed various ongoing/upcoming DRDO projects) under a different name/description?

Seems like DRDO was thinking about this way back in 2007 (Google:drdo "long range cruise vehicle" and click on the Cached version of Academia.edu link)
“India Says Chinese Anti-Satellite Program A Global Threat,” Space Daily, April 12, 2010. Accessible via http://www.spacedaily.com.
However, in the immediate aftermath of the test, DRDO was of the opinion that it had no plans to develop anti-satellite weapons. After the test, one DRDO scientist is reported to have told the media that India has no plans to enter the ASAT weapons sphere, instead the DRDO was focusing on building a “long-range cruise vehicle, a submarine-launched ballistic missile system and a medium-range surface to air missile with Israel.”

 

[porky_kicker]

Ground Based Mobile ELINT System (GBMES) for air force.

Ground Based Mobile ELINT System (GBMES) comprises of
one Control Station (CS)
and three Receiving Stations (RxS)
integrated in master slave concept to search, detection, monitor, record and process the hostile emissions as well as to find the location of the emitter fulfilling the strategic EW requirements of the Indian Air Force (IAF).
One of the three Receiving Stations is also configured to operate in master slave configuration (with minimal degradation) in the absence of Control station.

Each Receiving Station contains three ELINT Receiver Segments in the 70MHz-40GHz frequency range. In addition, one COMINT Receiver Segment covering the 30 -1000MHz frequency range is employed to intercept, monitor the COMINT signals.

GBMES is envisaged to operate in the frequency range from 70 MHz to 40 GHz
covering Radar bands and 30 MHz to 1000 MHz communication bands. The system is capable of interception, analysis and location fixing of radar signals and interception, monitoring of communication signals.

The salient features of the system are as follows

• Wide Frequency coverage from 70MHz to 40GHz and COMINT segment 30-1000 MHz
• Achieve High Sensitivity & DF Accuracy with accurate Emitter Parameters
• Quad Superhet Receiver Front-end Technology
• Quad Digital Receiver Technology
• Built-in Radar Finger Printing System (RFPS)
• Location Fixing (LF) using triangulation
• Generate Electronic Order of Battle (EOB)
• Provide interface with onboard units i.e., GPS Receiver, SATCOM Link and Data Link Communication Unit of Air Force

 

[AMCA]

Ground Based Mobile ELINT System (GBMES) for air force.

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Ground Based Mobile ELINT System (GBMES) comprises of
one Control Station (CS)
and three Receiving Stations (RxS)
integrated in master slave concept to search, detection, monitor, record and process the hostile emissions as well as to find the location of the emitter fulfilling the strategic EW requirements of the Indian Air Force (IAF).
One of the three Receiving Stations is also configured to operate in master slave configuration (with minimal degradation) in the absence of Control station.

Each Receiving Station contains three ELINT Receiver Segments in the 70MHz-40GHz frequency range. In addition, one COMINT Receiver Segment covering the 30 -1000MHz frequency range is employed to intercept, monitor the COMINT signals.

GBMES is envisaged to operate in the frequency range from 70 MHz to 40 GHz
covering Radar bands and 30 MHz to 1000 MHz communication bands. The system is capable of interception, analysis and location fixing of radar signals and interception, monitoring of communication signals.

The salient features of the system are as follows

• Wide Frequency coverage from 70MHz to 40GHz and COMINT segment 30-1000 MHz
• Achieve High Sensitivity & DF Accuracy with accurate Emitter Parameters
• Quad Superhet Receiver Front-end Technology
• Quad Digital Receiver Technology
• Built-in Radar Finger Printing System (RFPS)
• Location Fixing (LF) using triangulation
• Generate Electronic Order of Battle (EOB)
• Provide interface with onboard units i.e., GPS Receiver, SATCOM Link and Data Link Communication Unit of Air Force

Inducted?.....................................................

 

[porky_kicker]

Inducted?.....................................................

Yes , the pics are from the handing over ceremony to air force.

 

[Tanmay]

Ground Based Mobile ELINT System (GBMES) for air force.

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Ground Based Mobile ELINT System (GBMES) comprises of
one Control Station (CS)
and three Receiving Stations (RxS)
integrated in master slave concept to search, detection, monitor, record and process the hostile emissions as well as to find the location of the emitter fulfilling the strategic EW requirements of the Indian Air Force (IAF).
One of the three Receiving Stations is also configured to operate in master slave configuration (with minimal degradation) in the absence of Control station.

Each Receiving Station contains three ELINT Receiver Segments in the 70MHz-40GHz frequency range. In addition, one COMINT Receiver Segment covering the 30 -1000MHz frequency range is employed to intercept, monitor the COMINT signals.

GBMES is envisaged to operate in the frequency range from 70 MHz to 40 GHz
covering Radar bands and 30 MHz to 1000 MHz communication bands. The system is capable of interception, analysis and location fixing of radar signals and interception, monitoring of communication signals.

The salient features of the system are as follows

• Wide Frequency coverage from 70MHz to 40GHz and COMINT segment 30-1000 MHz
• Achieve High Sensitivity & DF Accuracy with accurate Emitter Parameters
• Quad Superhet Receiver Front-end Technology
• Quad Digital Receiver Technology
• Built-in Radar Finger Printing System (RFPS)
• Location Fixing (LF) using triangulation
• Generate Electronic Order of Battle (EOB)
• Provide interface with onboard units i.e., GPS Receiver, SATCOM Link and Data Link Communication Unit of Air Force

How are these systems used? In a laymans practical terms.

 

[porky_kicker]

How are these systems used? In a laymans practical terms.

these are passive systems ie they dont emit signals (they remain silent) rather they listen/intercept signals from the range of EM frequencies they are configured to listen/intercept .

any radar or comms when active give out signals in the particular band of the EM spectrum they operate on , systems like GBMES intercepts, records and process the hostile emissions for real time analysis or later as well determine the location of the emitters.

some uses

1. war time

determination of location of emitter helps to generate targeting coordinates for their subsequent destruction by fighters, missiles etc

analysis of emitter signals helps to determine the type of system being used via radar finger printing , if it is determined to be a SAM radar , it will be used to alert fighters about the type of threats they will face in that sector or help the fighters to arm themselves suitably for sead or dead missions in that sector etc .

COMINT ie communication intelligence allows to listen to enemy communications , break their encryption real time or later and locate the position of the comms devices for targeting or jam the signals as per requirements or inject false information as per requirements etc.

determines the type of EW assets or ECM/ECCM assets being deployed by the hostile forces and assess their capability for subsequent exploitation by our own forces using other relevant systems.

determine the electronic order of battle of hostile forces , so that the vulnerable nodes can be taken down easily without too much risk to our own forces.

etc etc

2.peace time

helps to determine the location of hostile radars and comms during their peace time deployment.

helps to access the type of threats our forces might face ie type of radars supporting the hostile SAMs the frequency, the modes they operate on etc or the type of EW assets or ECM/ECCM assets being deployed by the hostile forces (if they are active).

helps to build up the threat library for use during war

helps to break the encryption on intercepted comms for snooping and test the mettle of our own decrypting tools

etc etc

these systems also indirectly help in CT operations , as the intercepted comms can be of terrorist handlers etc

 

[Tanmay]

these are passive systems ie they dont emit signals (they remain silent) rather they listen/intercept signals from the range of EM frequencies they are configured to listen/intercept .

any radar or comms when active give out signals in the particular band of the EM spectrum they operate on , systems like GBMES intercepts, records and process the hostile emissions for real time analysis or later as well determine the location of the emitters.

some uses

1. war time

determination of location of emitter helps to generate targeting coordinates for their subsequent destruction by fighters, missiles etc

analysis of emitter signals helps to determine the type of system being used via radar finger printing , if it is determined to be a SAM radar , it will be used to alert fighters about the type of threats they will face in that sector or help the fighters to arm themselves suitably for sead or dead missions in that sector etc .

COMINT ie communication intelligence allows to listen to enemy communications , break their encryption real time or later and locate the position of the comms devices for targeting or jam the signals as per requirements or inject false information as per requirements etc.

determines the type of EW assets or ECM/ECCM assets being deployed by the hostile forces and assess their capability for subsequent exploitation by our own forces using other relevant systems.

determine the electronic order of battle of hostile forces , so that the vulnerable nodes can be taken down easily without too much risk to our own forces.

etc etc

2.peace time

helps to determine the location of hostile radars and comms during their peace time deployment.

helps to access the type of threats our forces might face ie type of radars supporting the hostile SAMs the frequency, the modes they operate on etc or the type of EW assets or ECM/ECCM assets being deployed by the hostile forces (if they are active).

helps to build up the threat library for use during war

helps to break the encryption on intercepted comms for snooping and test the mettle of our own decrypting tools

etc etc

these systems also indirectly help in CT operations , as the intercepted comms can be of terrorist handlers etc

Thanks. I guess even S 400 includes a similar system? Would be interesting to know if our system has some mechanism for GPS spoofing etc to fool UAVs like Iran did

 

[porky_kicker]

Thanks. I guess even S 400 includes a similar system? Would be interesting to know if our system has some mechanism for GPS spoofing etc to fool UAVs like Iran did

GBMES is a passive system they don't interfere nor emit any signals. U cannot catch a thief red handed if he becomes aware of your presence.

Different systems different roles

There are other systems available like samukyta etc which contains both active and passive systems and hence can spoof GPS signals and do much more similar and extended activities like jam radio proximity fuzes of artillery shells and rockets, deploy dispensible radar emitters to seduce anti radiation missiles, jam SATCOM links, COMJAM, EA, ECM, jam all kinds of radars etc etc. A single samukyta system consists of 145 vehicles so you can estimate the wide range of capabilities it possesses . It possesses the capability to dominate and own the entire EM spectrum within its area of operation.

Indian EW systems is one of the best in the world because it incorporates both eastern and western EW concepts . Only problem is lack of propaganda and self fellation by indian presstitudes.

Lol Chinese tried to steal it , wether they were successful or not I don't know.

 

[Tanmay]

GBMES is a passive system they don't interfere nor emit any signals. U cannot catch a thief red handed if he becomes aware of your presence.

Different systems different roles

There are other systems available like samukyta etc which contains both active and passive systems and hence can spoof GPS signals and do much more similar and extended activities like jam radio proximity fuzes of artillery shells and rockets, deploy dispensible radar emitters to seduce anti radiation missiles, jam SATCOM links, COMJAM, EA, ECM, jam all kinds of radars etc etc. A single samukyta system consists of 145 vehicles so you can estimate the wide range of capabilities it possesses . It possesses the capability to dominate and own the entire EM spectrum within its area of operation.

Indian EW systems is one of the best in the world because it incorporates both eastern and western EW concepts . Only problem is lack of propaganda and self fellation by indian presstitudes.

Lol Chinese tried to steal it , wether they were successful or not I don't know.

I always wondered about Samyukta having 145 vehicles. That's a massive footprint . More of a Corps level thing? The systems way too big for brigade levels ( layman terms ). Hope they have updated the system. Came almost more than a decade back. It can leverage AI etc.