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AMCA has not even come off the drawing stage yet and GoI has not made any commitment to buy any AMCA planes beyond the technology demonstrator stage. And GoI is committed to buying 1000 Safran engines. That gives you a clue as to which platform the engines will be used for.
question ? what jv ? what for ?
 

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Things are getting confusing. We are getting conflicting reports from everywhere.
 

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Things are getting confusing. We are getting conflicting reports from everywhere.
What confusion?
Things are crystal clear.
 

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Eh, how often do these things come to fruition? Weren’t they meant to ink a JV/SPV agreement for 110-125KN engines in June?

certainly seems to be things going on in the background especially if GE are meant to be in the fray again (unilaterally)
The commitment to buying 1000 Safran engines is designed to support the JV/SPV agreement and entice Safran to go along with the program and allow some ToT (not all! but certainly some) and allow GTRE to build upon this program and go for a successor engine program.
 

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AMCA has not even come off the drawing stage yet and GoI has not made any commitment to buy any AMCA planes beyond the technology demonstrator stage. And GoI is committed to buying 1000 Safran engines. That gives you a clue as to which platform the engines will be used for.
GoI is doing the right thing for AMCA. Trying to get clarity on the engine before going all out on CCS. Component development for prototypes are already underway using other forms of funds. Around 200 AMCAs means 400 engines. Initial F414 ones will also get them at a later stage. A mid life engine replacement will give around the need for approx 800 engines. Remaining for Tejas Mk2 and TEDBF. And NO IAF will not order more than 6-7 squadrons of Tejas MK2. This 500 numbers of Tejas MK2 is just smoke.
 

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GoI is doing the right thing for AMCA. Trying to get clarity on the engine before going all out on CCS. Component development for prototypes are already underway using other forms of funds. Around 200 AMCAs means 400 engines. Initial F414 ones will also get them at a later stage. A mid life engine replacement will give around the need for approx 800 engines. Remaining for Tejas Mk2 and TEDBF. And NO IAF will not order more than 6-7 squadrons of Tejas MK2. This 500 numbers of Tejas MK2 is just smoke.
I disagree with you IAF not ordering more than 6-7 squadrons. I think we will see at least 14-15 squadrons of Tejas Mk2 for no other reason than to maintain air combat patrol on 24/7 standby. Tejas is the cheapest way of maintaining onboard air patrol along the borders of Indo-Pakistan and Indo-Chino. This way, it preserves the airframe life of Su-30s, Rafales, and the AMCAs without burning a lot of money in operational expenses and maintain combat readiness.
 

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I disagree with you IAF not ordering more than 6-7 squadrons. I think we will see at least 14-15 squadrons of Tejas Mk2 for no other reason than to maintain air combat patrol on 24/7 standby. Tejas is the cheapest way of maintaining onboard air patrol along the borders of Indo-Pakistan and Indo-Chino. This way, it preserves the airframe life of Su-30s, Rafales, and the AMCAs without burning a lot of money in operational expenses and maintain combat readiness.
There will only be 7-8 sq of MK2 unless IAF gets a sanctioned fighter sq strength of more than 42 sq or cancels MRFA (unlikely to happen) or MK2 replacing squadrons of MK1 or MKI (also unlikely to happen)

Sq strength of MK2 was to be 6-7sq but there's a gap of 1 sq because of alleged cancellation of 21 MiG-29 deal. The gap "could" be filled with MK2 in future. (Total sq were to be 10 but later reduced to 7 because of 2 Rafale sq and 1 MiG-29 sq).

A fleet of max 42 fighter sq (unless GoI/CCS sanctions more sq)

13 MKI (272 airframe)
6 LCA MK1/A (123 airframe)
2 Rafale (36 airframe)
6 MRFA (114 airframe)
2+5 AMCA (120-125 airframe)
1 MiG-29 (21 airframe, deal cancelled)
=> 35 sq
Space is left for 7 MK2 sq (or 8 if MK2 is to take place of the 21 MiG-29). The 10 sq of MK2 was to have around 201 fighters according to ACM RKSB, if we assume a similar ratio, it comes at around 140-160 airframes (7-8 sq)

Sanctioning of additional sq is a possibility but as per the current scenario it is limited to just 7-8 sq.

272+123+36+114+125+160 ≈ 830 airframes in total (including the trainers)
 

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