DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[vishnugupt]

I partially agree,but if they were to sabotage wouldn't it make more sense to integrate foreign atgms here?

Hahaha.... You are talking sense which is prohibited for Armed forces.

LCH ki bhi toh Gand marni hai na.
No ATGM then no bulk order of LCH.

Win win situation

 

[Optimus]

 

[Optimus]

What do they gain by doing this?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

What do they gain by doing this?

commission

 

[Optimus]

commission

I didn’t even knew about these things i considered armed forces saints as my uncle was a very honest officer fck them

 

[Optimus]

If people are thinking this is enough of trials for Nag or Helina then you are wrong again by miles.

In next 6 months, we will again witness Final user trials and ready for Induction news.

Forces keep taking trials until there is some issue occurs (Even minor ) so they can declare trials as a failure and send missile back to drowing board for years.

Unfortunately, Nag/HeliNa is not failing Hence Endless trials are needed. Even if succeeded then UN armed forces will order around 200-300 missiles only. They will make sure all money, affords, and time should be wasted.

But didn’t this happened ? Curios

Defence ministry brings key changes to speed up private sector project plan

Officials told ET that a major change incorporated into procurement rules is the five-month deadline for signing of a contract, if a private company led initiative to develop a defence system prototype has been deemed successful.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Lonewolf]

But didn’t this happened ? Curios

Defence ministry brings key changes to speed up private sector project plan

Officials told ET that a major change incorporated into procurement rules is the five-month deadline for signing of a contract, if a private company led initiative to develop a defence system prototype has been deemed successful.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

All steps are being taken, rot is going away but not everything happens in a day

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

I didn’t even knew about these things i considered armed forces saints as my uncle was a very honest officer fck them

Some retired gernails become part of chandigarh lobby, which is the biggest import dalal group in India for defence imports.

 

[ezsasa]

I didn’t even knew about these things i considered armed forces saints as my uncle was a very honest officer fck them

40-60% of the price we pay for any household consumer product we buy, is earmarked for sales and marketing budget. for a half a trillion $ annual global market even in peace times, you do the calculation on monies available for distribution even at lower end of the range.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Anyone who has worked in forces or the procurement team of the Armed Forces could enlighten us about the testing protocol? Is it like developed along with PSQRs/GSQR? Or developed separately? Or evolves with time as the product has come? Like in this case, if "high altitude" trials were to be done, why not to have it done in parallel on a separate Rudra stationed in Leg/Ladakh? Or was it not planned initially and the idea of testing it in Ladakh developed during the course of testing in Rajasthan? Trial and Testing is one serious blackbox area. Testing protocol should be ideally finalised against the SQRs(functional requirement) and general requirements (Build quality parameters, maintainability parameters etc). It's not as if Ladakh has come into India's possession in 2021 and we decided to test our weapons for its suitability in a new terrain altogether

isnt psqr/gsqr system over from now onwards,so cant they skip it for the ongoing trials as well.and also isnt there a provision now that armed forces must order within 3-6 months of trial completion.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Honestly the reason could be literally anything.For starters this is probably our first homegrown heli launched atgm right?Then both drdo and the armed forces have to adapt with it both as the developer and the feedback customer. For people saying,army is sabotaging. I partially agree,but if they were to sabotage wouldn't it make more sense to integrate foreign atgms here?

Maybe I have way too much copium left compared to the other users here,but thankfully all the tests that are suddenly being brought up are also being cleared properly.

i think they are not ordering because army is in a bind now,because they have got a perfect set of circumstances where they are not allowed to import and many homemade solutions are maturing and also their method of testing and ordering has also been meddled into.

i think they would have gone through their usual games but got blindsided by external and internal changes and factors and will be forced to induct,they are on their last legs i think.

 

[Marliii]

 

[fire starter]

 

[THESIS THORON]

looks like it is in fastback mode

 

[Chinmoy]

Credible logic.
Be cautious and only buy what is effective. However, if we go by the Army's process of acquiring weapons, they float out tender, then bids are submitted, then testing, then L1 bidder, then order. The whole process takes something like 5-6 years. Then the time to deliver the order is extra 3-5 years depending on the equipment.

By the time it actually is in hands of the army, it is long outdated by current standards.

Either trust your own trials or take some risk. Every armed force in the world orders equipment in numbers before using them for 10 years.

If you go by DAP 2020 chapter 2, if the production agency is involved in developmental trails, then there would be single user trial for the system.

Reason why DRDO started floating out tenders for developmental and production partner in recent projects.

 

[Chinmoy]

Every time the press report s....The test before the induction

After one year ....We see another test

Question for you.....

Where is LOAL test?

 

[Arpuster]

Nasm mr will be subsonic a supersonic missile will be much more costly and unnecessary since we already have brahmos....we currently need subsonic, cheap missiles that can be build and fired in large numbers

I agree with your opinion bt still i feel CATS hunter can do the job of subsonic missile since it will have stealth & loitering capabilities without which subsonic missiles are vulnerable. On the other hand STAR based NASM-MR will be much cheaper than brahmos NG and will be a natural progression from exocet transonic missile.

 

[Arpuster]

Let the STAR project specifications be out it will be clear if supersonic cruise missile is feasible or not.

Read somewhere that STAR is 700+ kg with 7 mtr length, speed of 2.5 mach and 100+ km range

 

[flanker99]

I agree with your opinion bt still i feel CATS hunter can do the job of subsonic missile since it will have stealth & loitering capabilities without which subsonic missiles are vulnerable. On the other hand STAR based NASM-MR will be much cheaper than brahmos NG and will be a natural progression from exocet transonic missile.

Not always needed and some of these capabilities will increase cost of the missile we need a sub 300km subsonic missile thats as cheap as possible,has to be reliable and accurate which is exactly what nasm mr will be.
Due to complexities involved a star based CM will definitely be pricier than a subsonic CM but i suspect the technology will find itself on some missile sooner or later

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Question for you.....

Where is LOAL test?

There is no LOAL mode as of now, all tests have been in LOBL mode upto max range thereby fulfilling reqmt. Just how much they need to test a single anti-tank missile