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[Steven Rogers]

Even Israel doesn't claim this. These fake newslets will simply do anything

Spike lacks CCD camera with its uncooled seeker, that's how NAG claims a hit at 55 degree Celsius at 4 kms which spike can't

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[NeXoft007]

My article on DRDO SFDR Missile. Feedbacks appreciated!
http://nmlonline.weebly.com/analysis--review/drdos-precious-project-sfdr-connecting-the-dots

 

[Chinmoy]

the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) has no objections to the deal as long as it does not involve transfer of technology (TOT).

after DRDO developed the indigenous Nag ATGM with seeker software and said it was against any TOT from Rafael Advanced Systems, the Israeli company that makes the Spike missile.

Not at all surprising. It is because Rafael had partnered with Kalyani and BDL for Spike, any TOT would mean the ground work of DRDO in seeker tech basically would be lost due to lack of fund flow. Its an attempt to keep themselves relevant in the field.

 

[Kshithij]

Not at all surprising. It is because Rafael had partnered with Kalyani and BDL for Spike, any TOT would mean the ground work of DRDO in seeker tech basically would be lost due to lack of fund flow. Its an attempt to keep themselves relevant in the field.

Not necessary. ToT means DRDO will be given access to the technology directly so that they can improve upon it. After all, it is better to tweak the technology to Indian needs. More knowledge is always good for research. Also, there is no reason to not modify spike into our own MPATGM by replacing certain parts and tweaking the missiles.

 

[Chinmoy]

Not necessary. ToT means DRDO will be given access to the technology directly so that they can improve upon it. After all, it is better to tweak the technology to Indian needs. More knowledge is always good for research. Also, there is no reason to not modify spike into our own MPATGM by replacing certain parts and tweaking the missiles.

Rafael system has nothing to do with DRDO. They had formed a consortium with Kalyani and BDL. TOT would have been to Kalyani and BDL, not DRDO.

Moreover in this type of deal, where you do license production of any part, the parent company does gets royalty for the same.

 

[Kshithij]

Rafael system has nothing to do with DRDO. They had formed a consortium with Kalyani and BDL. TOT would have been to Kalyani and BDL, not DRDO.

Moreover in this type of deal, where you do license production of any part, the parent company does gets royalty for the same.

India gets ToT, not private company. It is not that Kalyani or BDL are allowed to give away the ToT to Saudi Arabia for money. India has the right to ask another company to make the items too in case necessary. The IP is owned by the nation and not the company in defence related products

 

[Chinmoy]

India gets ToT, not private company. It is not that Kalyani or BDL are allowed to give away the ToT to Saudi Arabia for money. India has the right to ask another company to make the items too in case necessary. The IP is owned by the nation and not the company in defence related products

Neither Kalyani or BDL would transfer the tech to DRDO. IAI had done a consortium with Punj Loyd for AR production. Do you think OFB would get benefited by that?
DRDO in their own right had done what they need to do to keep them self relevant.

 

[Kshithij]

Neither Kalyani or BDL would transfer the tech to DRDO. IAI had done a consortium with Punj Loyd for AR production. Do you think OFB would get benefited by that?
DRDO in their own right had done what they need to do to keep them self relevant.

Then it is not called ToT. ToT means that technology is transferred, not just manufacturing ability. In electronic items, the technology means source codes and low level coding between various ICs and chips

 

[Archer]

Our imports come with strict IPR controls & monitoring. DRDO will get very little TOT via any Spike or any other deal. Multiple years have been lost in trying to get Rafael to agree to TOT for the Spike and other programs via BEL. They refused. They are paranoid (justifiably) and having seen the rapid advance of DRDO programs, know very well that giving Indian engineers exposure to their so called jewels, will mean the end of easy imports in India and force them into JVs they don't want (public PR apart).
Please understand that India manufactured Milans and Konkurs are still locked into fixed imported assemblies because of contractual IPR agreements signed eons ago.

Not necessary. ToT means DRDO will be given access to the technology directly so that they can improve upon it. After all, it is better to tweak the technology to Indian needs. More knowledge is always good for research. Also, there is no reason to not modify spike into our own MPATGM by replacing certain parts and tweaking the missiles.

 

[Archer]

What you are describing is again Transfer of Manufacturing Technology. I see a lot of this "source code" business on discussion forums. As if any company is going to give you any source code and a peek into its highly secure IP and algorithms which have taken decades for it to finetune & finesse. At best, you get an application or user interface to feed some parameters into the system or an agreement with an OEM that they will tweak it for you. In real deployment, many of these fancy imports fail and then the weapon is locked up in some store room for CAG to discover and complain a decade later.

Then it is not called ToT. ToT means that technology is transferred, not just manufacturing ability. In electronic items, the technology means source codes and low level coding between various ICs and chips

 

[Suryavanshi]

My article on DRDO SFDR Missile. Feedbacks appreciated!
http://nmlonline.weebly.com/analysis--review/drdos-precious-project-sfdr-connecting-the-dots

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[Kshithij]

Our imports come with strict IPR controls & monitoring. DRDO will get very little TOT via any Spike or any other deal. Multiple years have been lost in trying to get Rafael to agree to TOT for the Spike and other programs via BEL. They refused. They are paranoid (justifiably) and having seen the rapid advance of DRDO programs, know very well that giving Indian engineers exposure to their so called jewels, will mean the end of easy imports in India and force them into JVs they don't want (public PR apart).
Please understand that India manufactured Milans and Konkurs are still locked into fixed imported assemblies because of contractual IPR agreements signed eons ago.

Then we really don't need much of these imports at all. No source codes means that it is simply an item that can't be modified and has no backup in case of failures. With advent of electronics, the operation is now dependent on algorithm rather than just the mechanical parts. Mechanical parts can be reverse engineered anyways

 

[Chinmoy]

Then it is not called ToT. ToT means that technology is transferred, not just manufacturing ability. In electronic items, the technology means source codes and low level coding between various ICs and chips

TOT is such a huge field that a simple agreement doesn't cover every nook and corner of it. The same has been described by @Archer .

No matter what, Rafael is not going to provide you TOT for its seeker tech and FCS. You have to depend on them for this no matter how ever you sign the TOT contract.

 

[Kshithij]

TOT is such a huge field that a simple agreement doesn't cover every nook and corner of it. The same has been described by @Archer .

No matter what, Rafael is not going to provide you TOT for its seeker tech and FCS. You have to depend on them for this no matter how ever you sign the TOT contract.

Then it is better to not make a deal at all. Why say "100% ToT"?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

India used to use SS109 and other variant for INSAS series of rifles and LMG, We use 64gr MK-1A ball 5.56mm steel core ammunition, Better than NATO SS109, Its a heavy and lethal upto 600ms with scoped 1B1 or LMG ..

5.56X30mm is actually not Indian but was first introduced in US, However it didn't catch up with US firearm market nor with there security agencies, Latter Indian R&D produced similar ammunition for MSMC and Amogh ..

Published on Aug 18, 2017

The Ordnance Factory Board designed-produced 'Amogh' carbine was bested by the DRDO's MSMC carbine some years ago. Both are now developing the MSMC as the Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC) for the Indian Army. But while the JVPC is still in trials, the 'Amogh' (resolute) is in limited series production having bagged orders from Indian police and paramilitary organisations. But the MSMC/JVPC could have a few aces up its sleeve...watch out for it. One error in the video-- the Amogh is a fully automatic CQB carbine and does not have the INSAS' 3-round burst mode. Hence, the three settings should be-- Safety, single shot and full auto. It is ambidextrous, which is a good thing. The Amogh is the compact version of the INSAS-1B, the Excalibur.

Ak47 use 7.62x39, Ak74 uses 5.45x39, M16 uses 5.56x45, M4 uses 7.62x51. India goes with NATO standards and hence uses M16 and M4 rounds, though some Ak47 rounds are also used.

Now, I was speaking of 5.56x30 which is an exclusively Indian round and no other country uses it. The name of the round is MINSAS.

 

[Archer]

Then we really don't need much of these imports at all. No source codes means that it is simply an item that can't be modified and has no backup in case of failures. With advent of electronics, the operation is now dependent on algorithm rather than just the mechanical parts. Mechanical parts can be reverse engineered anyways

There is the exact point that the Indian scientific establishment and even some in the services understand, about the farce that are imports. On the other hand, imports offer a convenient quicker induction of technology, on paper, for deterrence or warfighting. However, even there, we are discovering that imports get stalled so long, local programs can be developed in the meantime.

 

[Hindustani78]

Ministry of Defence
12-January, 2018 20:45 IST

DRDO Workshop & Exhibition on CBRN Defence Technologies

Chief of Army Staff General Bipin Rawat inaugurated a workshop and an Exhibition on CBRN Defence Technologies to showcase the Products and Technologies developed towards CBRN (Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear) threats at DRDO Bhawan, New Delhi.

Speaking on the occasion General Rawat complimented DRDO and said CBRN threat is becoming a reality, particularly from the “non-state actors” and he is sure that DRDO’s long term perspective plan in conjunction and integrated perspective plan of the services must encompass development of mitigation of technologies against such CBRN threats.

Chairman DRDO and Secretary Department of Defence R&D Dr S Christopher handed over the CBRN Suit MK-V & CBRN First Aid Kit and Remote Radiation Monitoring and Transmission System (RRMTS) at the inauguration. The CBRN Training Manuals and Military Explosives Handling Guidelines were also released. Hiranyagarbha - the Terrabit Transport Cross Connect, a trusted network router & Army Air Defence Deployment Simulator System (A2D2S2) were also unveiled.

Dr Shashi Bala Singh, Director General (Life Sciences) at DRDO in her welcome address highlighted the contributions of DRDO to the National CBRN Defence Preparedness and Capacity Building and said that more than 68 developed products related to CBRN by DRDO are already inducted and 25 more have been realised and ready for induction. She further said that this has been made possible due to a large participation of private sector with more than 50 industry partners.

The aim of the workshop is to further enhance the level of preparedness and strengthen the partnership among the stakeholders. Besides DRDO, the workshop has the participation from the three Services, Ordnance Factory Board, National Disaster Management Authority, National Disaster Response Force, Min of Home Affairs, Central Armed Police Forces, SPG, National Security Guard and several other government/security agencies, etc. The event provides an opportunity for the stakeholders to interact and understand the requirements of each other and respond in a way to bring coherence in the system that will eventually strengthen their partnerships and enhance the National preparedness level.

The DRDO has trained more than 4,000 military and paramilitary personnel towards mitigation of CBRN threats. It is working closely with all stakeholders including the Armed Forces. It is also providing CBRN support during the Republic Day and Independence Day celebrations.

 

[Hindustani78]

The Chief of Army Staff, General Bipin Rawat inaugurating the Exhibition on CBRN Defence Technologies to showcase products and technologies developed towards Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear threats, in New Delhi on January 12, 2018. The Chairman DRDO & Secretary, Department of Defence R&D, Dr. S. Christopher and other dignitaries are also seen.

The Chief of Army Staff, General Bipin Rawat visiting after inaugurating the Exhibition on CBRN Defence Technologies to showcase products and technologies developed towards Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear threats, in New Delhi on January 12, 2018. The Chairman DRDO & Secretary, Department of Defence R&D, Dr. S. Christopher is also seen.

The Chief of Army Staff, General Bipin Rawat visiting after inaugurating the Exhibition on CBRN Defence Technologies to showcase products and technologies developed towards Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear threats, in New Delhi on January 12, 2018. The Chairman DRDO & Secretary, Department of Defence R&D, Dr. S. Christopher is also seen.

The Chief of Army Staff, General Bipin Rawat at the Workshop and Exhibition on CBRN Defence Technologies to showcase products and technologies developed towards Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear threats, in New Delhi on January 12, 2018. The Chairman DRDO & Secretary, Department of Defence R&D, Dr. S. Christopher and other dignitaries are also seen.

The Chief of Army Staff, General Bipin Rawat addressing the gathering at the Workshop and Exhibition on CBRN Defence Technologies to showcase products and technologies developed towards Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear threats, in New Delhi on January 12, 2018.

 

[Hindustani78]

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ul-nation-says-india-not-weak-either-5021785/

Army Chief General Bipin Rawat, in a strict tone, asserted that India is not a weak nation and will not allow its territory to be invaded. Addressing concerns over the incursion of Chinese troops into Indian mainland, the COAS said, “China is a powerful country but we are not a weak nation.” The Army chief also expressed his concerns over the increasing threats of the use of Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) weapons and said “it is becoming a reality.”

Amid increasing efforts from Beijing to create an influence in the region, the COAS said that neighbouring countries cannot be allowed to drift away towards China. The four-star General expressed that the time has come for India to shift its focus to the northern border and added that the forces are capable of handling increasing Chinese advances in the region.

Rawat emphasised that India needs to have capacities to ensure that ammunition can move from one sector to another quickly. (Express Photo by Amit Mehra)

Reacting on concerns over the use of CBRN weapons the Army chief said, “The threat of the use of CBRN weapons is indeed becoming a reality, particularly as a threat from non-state actors. Use of CBRN weapons could jeopardize life and property and take a long time to recover.”

Accepting that the Chinese government is exerting pressure, General Rawat said that if a situation arises the troops are ready. “If things escalated, we are prepared to handle the situation. We are continuously manning the border. Yes, we should try that it is not escalated, we will not allow our territory to be intruded. Troops are earmarked, should a situation arise we are ready to cater,” General Rawat said.

Rawat emphasised that India needs to have capacities to ensure that ammunition can move from one sector to another quickly and assured that government is focussed on it. “We also need to build capacity to move forces from western sector to northern sectors,” he added.

In a positive news for Army personnel posted in Sikkim and along the north-eastern border, the government has sanctioned the much-awaited demands of stylised bullet-proof helmets. General Rawat said, “It is not because we saw a threat, Chinese troops were very well equipped so we felt why not send better quality equipment for our own jawans – better jackets and helmets. It shows that we are better prepared.”

Meanwhile, the Indian Army in a bid to curb growing insurgency is all set to shift its focus from South Kashmir to North Kashmir in 2018. The Army had conducted a series of operations and raids in South Kashmir with unprecedented success flushing out terrorists last year, as part of Operation All Out. General Rawat said, “In 2017, our focus of the operations was in South Kashmir. This year it will shift its gaze to North Kashmir’s Baramulla, Pattan, Handwara, Kupwara, Sopore, Lolab valley and some northern areas of Bandipore so that the infiltration can be thwarted there.”

COAS General Bipin Rawat during a press conference on Friday. (Express photo by Amit Mehra)

On the increased cases of ceasefire violations and cross-border firing in Kashmir, the COAS said that India is ready to retaliate against any threat and will continue the approach till it sees a decrease in violations. General Rawat said, “The casualties which Pakistan has suffered are three to four times more than we did. Pakistan is sending messages regularly to return to the ceasefire. We are ready, but we will continue till we see a decrease in ceasefire violation,” he added.

Reacting for the first time, since the United States threatened to suspend the financial aid being given to Pakistan, the Army chief said that New Delhi should not be expecting that Washington will take over the work that it needs to do. He averred that it was premature to talk how much of an impact it would have on Islamabad. He said, “It would be too premature to start saying that everything is going to be hunky-dory. Let’s not expect the US to do what we are expected to do.”

 

[Tanmay]

A bit old video from BDL.
Includes a small video of light weight torpedo being fired from Sea King as well as Chetak. And a ATGMs. Talks about use of MILAN ATGM in bunker busting role. And some inhouse efforts.