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Any idea about Indian cryogenic engine in Ukraine under project Jasmine? few months ago it was undergoing hot tests in Ukraine?
 

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Any idea about Indian cryogenic engine in Ukraine under project Jasmine? few months ago it was undergoing hot tests in Ukraine?
 

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Any idea about Indian cryogenic engine in Ukraine under project Jasmine? few months ago it was undergoing hot tests in Ukraine?
 

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The tweet above is saying that Indian Airforce is looking preferably for a an Airforce that is composed of fully Indigenous Made in India Fighter Aircrafts and Planes. Either indigenous programs like Tejas Mk-2, AMCA etc or license Manufacturing of a foreign design under MMRCA tender.
I think, make and assemble in india with indigenous effort and made in india going to take a long long time.
 

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I think, make and assemble in india with indigenous effort and made in india going to take a long long time.
Going to take a long time? In the sense? I mean atleast in Aerospace Sector we will take a few more decades to become "Athmarnirbhar". By the next decade we will be Fully self reliant in terms of Making Missiles, Rifles, Ammunition, bombs etc.

And this type of pace of Development which we are seeing happening in which the Current Government is promoting more and more Indigenous content in the Armed forces will stay that way only if the Current Government stays in power.
 

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I was reading about z pinch (plasma physics), do we have a laboratory in india for that ??
There is an Institute called as the Institute for Plasma Research (IPR) in India. It is involved in research in aspects of plasma science including basic plasma physics, research on magnetically confined hot plasmas and plasma technologies for industrial applications.

The institute is located on the banks of the Sabarmati river in Bhat village of Gandhinagar district.

Location is approximately midway between the cities of Ahmedabad and Gandhinagar. It is 5 km from the Ahmedabad airport and 14 km from the Ahmedabad railway station.

Refer here :
 

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Gg? In the sense? I mean atleast in Aerospace Sector we will take a few more decades to become "Athmarnirbhar". By the next decade we will be Fully self reliant in terms of Making Missiles, Rifles, Ammunition, bombs etc.

And this type of pace of Development which we are seeing happening in which the Current Government is promoting more and more Indigenous content in the Armed forces will stay that way only if the Current Government stays in power.
"Athmarnirbhar" is a big word, and even usa struggling with Athmarnirbhar. '' few more decades'' that' a lots of words, and developing and deploying are different, here I'm saying - deploying going to take a long time. ''next decade'' and not ''this decade'', you make me sad, again wait for one more decade.
IA deployed nirbhay without any user test, but nag took a lots of user tests. ??
 

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"Athmarnirbhar" is a big word, and even usa struggling with Athmarnirbhar. '' few more decades'' that' a lots of words, and developing and deploying are different, here I'm saying - deploying going to take a long time. ''next decade'' and not ''this decade'', you make me sad, again wait for one more decade.
IA deployed nirbhay without any user test, but nag took a lots of user tests. ??
(Listen to me)You need to have some patience. You can't expect us to become self-reliant over night. It takes time. Also lot of R&D and Money goes into such Development of complex assets like Ballistic missiles, Aircrafts, Missiles etc.

USA has not reached where it is over night, US invested Billions of Dollars in it's programs and it has reached where it has. And by the way what do you mean by "USA is also struggling with Athmarnirbhar'?
 

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(Listen to me)You need to have some patience. You can't expect us to become self-reliant over night. It takes time. Also lot of R&D and Money goes into such Development of complex assets like Ballistic missiles, Aircrafts, Missiles etc.

USA has not reached where it is over night, US invested Billions of Dollars in it's programs and it has reached where it has. And by the way what do you mean by "USA is also struggling with Athmarnirbhar'?
USA depends on china for natural raw material and industrial products for producing some military equipment. One way or another all countries depends on other for military weapons manufacturing from human resources, raw materials, finished parts to complected products. Now USA trying to eliminate Chinese items - struggling.
''Patience '' - that's the only thing you get reading/writing in defense articles/forum for more than 2 decades.
In other words 'Athmarnirbhar will take a lots of time and wars to happen, means no 100% Athmarnirbhar, but up to 70%. Indian needs a lots of foreign equipment near future and in future- mmrca, aircrafts for transport, aew ,mpa, guns, subs, lhd/lpd, uav and the list goes on. The important thing is not Athmarnirbhar but able to complect R&D projects on time and user satisfaction and spares and deployment in major numbers.
Also, India can't compete/manage the R&D scale of china, means India need military equipment form other countries for both military and political purpose.
Old theory - Design and build things you can't buy - Ballistic missiles.
New theory- Athmarnirbhar & keeping money in india - Aircrafts, Missiles, vehicle, subs, uav still need more time and depends on numbers needed.
 

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I just hate these bloody Americans now , these buggers have ruined everything.
Look at the positive side- Indian jernails will get off the high from Ruski equipment maybe, and the distrust for American hardware will even increase. For urgent procurement, they'll go ahead with procurement anyway- sanctions or otherwise, but in the long run Government has a stronger case to shove down desi hardware
 

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I just hate these bloody Americans now , these buggers have ruined everything.
Let them keep doing that and threatening us with Sanctions. But looking on the Good side : It will only force us to resort to more and more Indigenous Development of Different systems etc Because if no one will Give it to you, make it yourself.

But whether they impose sanctions or not, time will tell. At the end of the day, imposing sanctions on us will result in their own loss.
 

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So be it , no western engine
We can get engines and sheit from the russkies.
Why would you want to hitch a ride on a dying power? They have fallen behind China in avionics and EW (forget west), now with complete ban on semiconductors, they will be fucked even more.

For all those talking about how west is dead, these sanctions should be eye opener. This russian invasion has unified western coalition (which includes North America+EU+Nordic countries+UK+Australia+Japan+South Korea). These countries still control large majority of advanced manufacturing and IP for cutting edge tech.

Also, there is no economic future with Russia.
 

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Who is stopping India, India can do barter trade with russia .
Just that India will not get any western equipment (including engines) then.
That would be history repeats itself Indian gained military superiority in ioc when it was alligned with Russians but it was west who pushed india into Russians while it was nutral and not dependent on Russians but on British. Never learn from history we gained maximum number of submarines during Soviet era and same with tanks. Russians were desperate then.
 

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