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On what basis if you don't mind me asking sir?ATAGS is light years ahead of most western designs in its category ..
On what basis if you don't mind me asking sir?ATAGS is light years ahead of most western designs in its category ..
On what basis if you don't mind me asking sir?
Welcome to the club!!! There seems to be some overly sensitive vigilantes prowling the site.May I know the reason why my post was deleted and who deleted it.
That means Chinese and paki artillery(if they have one ) is not even compareableATAGS is light years ahead of most western designs in its category ..
That is indeed an awesome power/feature to have. But to just to keep things realistic, MRSI works only on very limited range - probably 15 kms, won't work for the full range of the gun (simple physics!)On a more serious note, a single regiment of ATAGS can fire 108 rounds in 30 seconds and have them all land on target at the exact same time. Imagine what it would be like to stand in the line of fire of an Indian Arty regiment equipped with ATAGS. One moment its all quiet and you are sitting in your trench or patrolling on foot. The next instant, the world around you explodes as 108 arty shells of 155mm land on you and your buddies within a span of 2 seconds, levelling the area and effectively suppressing your unit. 2 minutes later, the ATAGS regiment has already scooted and an Indian Infantry formation is charging your lines. Half your unit is dead or wounded, another half have been shell shocked and lost their will to fight. That leaves you alone to repel the attack. Good luck.
There is no Western towed field howitzer that can do even half of such a fire mission.
Then there is the fact that Westerners rely mostly on the M777 which loads a 155X39 mm round, thereby limiting the range of the gun.
We need only sit on Bhikiwind-Amritsar axis and neutralise any Porki attempt at establishing a defensive line between Lahore and International border as our infantry advances on Lahore cantt-. The distances involved are very MRSI friendly.That is indeed an awesome power/feature to have. But to just to keep things realistic, MRSI works only on very limited range - probably 15 kms, won't work for the full range of the gun (simple physics!)
Chinese artillery development is way ahead of India. Look up AH-4 that compares to M-777 India is importing which comes with PGM capabilities and has more range than M-777.Weight, Range,Rate Of Fire & Recoil system, Chamber size ..
The only reason India is importing m777 is because it's light and that too not more than 300 pieces it's because they are putting it in mountain for tactical purposesChinese artillery development is way ahead of India. Look up AH-4 that compares to M-777 India is importing which comes with PGM capabilities and has more range than M-777.
SH-1 is SPH that compares to Nexter Caesar in abilities. PLZ-54 is 54 cal artillery with range over 60km with ERFB BB ammunition. All these are already in service and their future development is ongoing.
Thought it was only 145 pieces...The only reason India is importing m777 is because it's light and that too not more than 300 pieces it's because they are putting it in mountain for tactical purposes
Comparing Towed artillery with SPGs? That does nothing to show that Chinese tube arty has any advantage on India. Or are you insinuating that PLA plans to use these heavy SPGs on Himalayas? Also, PGM capability or extended range rounds are not unique to PLA. ATAGS is being tested with a 70 km range round. All I can gauge from your reply is that PLA has an updated arty. We are stuck with obsolescent guns. True. But the fact that we have in place a plan to rationalise our arty by 2027 and that tube arty technology is not like smartphone tech. (its not gaining at a very fast rate) means that PLA's current advantage is temporary.Chinese artillery development is way ahead of India. Look up AH-4 that compares to M-777 India is importing which comes with PGM capabilities and has more range than M-777.
SH-1 is SPH that compares to Nexter Caesar in abilities. PLZ-54 is 54 cal artillery with range over 60km with ERFB BB ammunition. All these are already in service and their future development is ongoing.
Indeed. Formalized contract is of 145 pieces but some reports said the requirement could go up to 500 pieces.Thought it was only 145 pieces...
can u please clarify your claim?Chinese artillery development is way ahead of India. Look up AH-4 that compares to M-777 India is importing which comes with PGM capabilities and has more range than M-777.
SH-1 is SPH that compares to Nexter Caesar in abilities. PLZ-54 is 54 cal artillery with range over 60km with ERFB BB ammunition. All these are already in service and their future development is ongoing.
Chinese artillery development is way ahead of India. Look up AH-4 that compares to M-777 India is importing which comes with PGM capabilities and has more range than M-777.
SH-1 is SPH that compares to Nexter Caesar in abilities. PLZ-54 is 54 cal artillery with range over 60km with ERFB BB ammunition. All these are already in service and their future development is ongoing.
Just a word of caution: Excalibur shell costs about 100-150 TIMES the regular shellFYI india is getting M777A2, which can fire Excliber round till 40km range. Chinese PGM is we below standard than excaliber.
AH-4 is a Towed Artillery, its a chinese copy of M777, it has not moved to production and is only been developed as claimed by chinese.Comparing Towed artillery with SPGs? That does nothing to show that Chinese tube arty has any advantage on India. Or are you insinuating that PLA plans to use these heavy SPGs on Himalayas? Also, PGM capability or extended range rounds are not unique to PLA. ATAGS is being tested with a 70 km range round. All I can gauge from your reply is that PLA has an updated arty. We are stuck with obsolescent guns. True. But the fact that we have in place a plan to rationalise our arty by 2027 and that tube arty technology is not like smartphone tech. (its not gaining at a very fast rate) means that PLA's current advantage is temporary.
BTW, if you have some information on PLA's towed-arty, please do share.
Indeed. Formalized contract is of 145 pieces but some reports said the requirement could go up to 500 pieces.
every shell costs a lot, india bought russian precision guided shells during kargil and most failed or underperformed, they too were super expensive.Just a word of caution: Excaliber shell costs about 100-150 TIMES the regular shell
Even though it's worth every penny you spend on it!!!
True. I was just replying to a quote from one of our esteemed members who claimed that ATAGS is light years ahead of western designs. When in reality it cannot even match the range of G-5 towed howitzer. For this my post was deleted.Welcome to the club!!! There seems to be some overly sensitive vigilantes prowling the site.
Few days back, I just quoted ADA chief that Tejas Mk1 does not conform to the Whitcomb Area rule (and hence not so aerodynamic), a deficiency that they intend to fix in Mk2 version. That rubbed the wrong side of an over-sensitive fanboy (who also for some reason had extraordinary powers), and he went on to delete my post and ban me from that thread for a week!! Interestingly, another 'veteran' member of this site confirmed my statement and reposted the exact same thing (before mine was deleted); but curiously his post still remains intact on the thread!!!