Crisis in Tibet - Opression and Human rights violations by China

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Poor retort.

The point I was making is you should not be under illusion that the status quo does stays the same for long. Only thing that is constant is change. Yes CHANGE. Change is the thing you CCP guys are shit scared of, aren't you?

Things change and also circumstances. For example, have you thought about a scenario when oil is in short supply, can you still maintain your military presence in Tibet? Your 1 child policy MAY lead to reduction in manpower to support the empire, you haven't considered this in your hegemonistic ambitions. Have you?

Have you also not given a thought that Tibetans can pick up arms and start a bloody guerrilla warfare. India, USA, France, Japan, Indonesia, Australia, Russia will all be happy to give a tacit underhand support to this if China starts pushing its weight which interferes with their policies. A long bloody guerrilla war can go on for years and it takes too many resources. Do not say it wont happen.

I think you are too childish to understand this. Perhaps you need a nappy change.
You made a poor comparison between UK and India vs China and Tibet. this is the crap you can come up with???


LMAO, It is the tibetans who are afraid to change. Look at the changes China has experienced since the 50s.

Were you under coma during that time, does Korean war, Vietnam war, Indo-China war, sino soviet split, the open up policy, tian an meng incident, , , does any of those events ring a bell for you? Is that status quo in your eyes?

Wtf does oil got anything to do with military presence in Tibet? You mean when it is gone, CCP is just gonna pack their bags and head home? How old are you?

LOLOLOLLOL the 1 child policy is gonna reduce the manpower to support the regime? It may have an social impact, but military? In a country with 1, 3 billion people, how many do you think it needs to have Tibet under its control. Again, how old are you?

Guerrilla war in Tibet? HAhahahahah. It has been tried before and failed.
Those countries is gonna support them?
Sorry, what world is you living in?

Sure, I am the chidish one here.........
 

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Sure, I am the chidish one here.........
Why are you getting so defensive? Perhaps truth hurts somewhere and fear paralyses your mind from making rational coherent riposte.

LMAO, LOLL, HAHAHAHA....need I say more. Anyone who uses these acronyms clearly spends too much time in chatrooms. And I unfortunately have not got much time to spend going around in circles.
 

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Ever heard of black swan events? uncultured revolution in china may be a black swan event for you, but for the rest of the world its perhaps an inevitable eventuality.
majority of chiense still enjoy economic development etc. i doubt revolution will comming soon. evolution maybe.
 

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Of course it is making China look bad and incompetent when the general impression is given that it is efficiently addressing issues.

China's money has been spurned. The monks in that Sichuan monastery refused to accept the bribe!
The part being "corrupted" is not those monks but the general tibeten youth. Now they are watching porn picture rather than Dalai Lama's video. You have to admit that they are the same people like us with same desire: chasing the stars, want to have a car and beautiful apartment. CCP promised them this while Dalai Lama can't.
 

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Britain used to say that about India too. There are some deluded Brits who think likewise even now. Bitter pill to swallow isn't it?
and india also used to say that to kashmiris...u deluded or what?? some sweety pills to take??

i tell you what
1 Tibet is pain in ass for prc and nothing going to change this...

2 Then why do you care if India has no leverage on the issue ? and why cry every time when lama goes to any function in INDIA ?

3 prc is Propaganda Republic Of China you cant live with out it turn on cctv one side and any other independent tv on other side you will either cry or fall of the chair laughing
u ve told me absolutely nothing....

dealing with tibet is way comfortable than how u guys gonna handle kashmir and we havnt started to support all the separists and insurgries in india yet.....believe me my indian friend......the dalai lama is very good to be in india....he got all those losers and betrayers with him and wasting money of goi and many trouble makers r out of prc following the dalai lama now.....and otherwise its prc who would have to afford this were he still in prc....propaganda is not my business so long as they will one day take zangnan back....

Well you amy be right but Tibetans aren't fond of your gleaming buildings and roads at the expense of their culture and belief. That's what you don't get.



We won't have been too bothered if you had not started taking our territory post Tibetan invasion. Now we have a reason to only because you started this game.



What is Zannan?
the culture of tibet is maintained very properly...u dont forward north and attack prc we got peace....u already annexed zangnan from china thanks to your former master.....its not indians and mughal empire who were strong back then.....far from that....its the brits ur mater who was powerful and now u guys r taking the credits and acting as if u were innocent....believe me thats not something gonna last for very long.........
 

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If Dalai Lama can 'encourage' Tibetans to die by burning themselves, then can his influence and the belief of the Tibetans in him, be fake?

Global Times should be more 'clever' to spread the propaganda directed by their bosses - the CCP and be more convincing!

You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink - unless the horse believes that you are asking it do so in its own best interests!


Total tripe of Chinese propaganda, at best!
 

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The part being "corrupted" is not those monks but the general tibeten youth. Now they are watching porn picture rather than Dalai Lama's video. You have to admit that they are the same people like us with same desire: chasing the stars, want to have a car and beautiful apartment. CCP promised them this while Dalai Lama can't.
Watching porn is not a problem. Its the part of growing up. Perhaps your country deprives you from growing up,
 

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That is what you want to believe!!...
That is not what I believe, it is what is happening! Who doesn't want a better life especially after they have a taste of their han neighbourhood's modern life: TV, freezor, washing machine, air conditioner..... And that is what CCP promised them. They can protest for not being quick enough. But very few would think that Dalai Lama can do better on that.


Lol...the dead can be worse than the living.
The muslims of the Xinjiang dont worship a living God, but can the CCP handle them?
Obviously, CCP or Chinese CAN handle them, that is why we are still there.
 

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Ajai Shukla: Get real with China on Tibet

In Arunachal Pradesh there is little illusion about the brutal character of Beijing's rule over Tibet.
Ajai Shukla / Mar 20, 2012, 00:42 IST



A cellphone video grab of a self-immolation in Tibet, believed to be the sacrifice of Palden Choetso, a nun in China's Sichuan province

In Arunachal Pradesh, where I travelled over the last 10 days, there is little illusion about the brutal character of Beijing's rule over Tibet. Even Itanagar's politically aware youngsters, who angrily contrast infrastructure development across the McMahon Line with the slothfulness and corruption in their own state, know about the paranoia that makes Beijing perceive in every Tibetan shadow a threat to the core interests of the Middle Kingdom.

Which was why I was startled, on my return to Delhi, to find an illustrious group of Indian thinkers recommending that Sino-Indian tensions be eased by "persuading China to seek reconciliation with the Dalai Lama and the exiled Tibetan community". Their policy paper, entitled "Nonalignment 2.0: A foreign and strategic policy for India in the twenty-first century", declares, "The Dalai Lama's popular legitimacy among his own people is a fact that the Chinese government must acknowledge."

The authors of this quixotic proposal – Sunil Khilnani; Rajiv Kumar; Pratap Bhanu Mehta; Lt Gen (Retd) Prakash Menon; Nandan Nilekani; Srinath Raghavan; Shyam Saran and Siddharth Varadarajan – do not represent the Indian government. But the preface notes that National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon and his two deputies, Alok Prasad and Latha Reddy, also provided inputs.

The notion that New Delhi can talk Beijing into engaging the hated "Dalai clique" is entirely fanciful. Tibet, alongside Taiwan, remains the deepest of China's many insecurities. Beijing considers India the biggest potential external threat to its brutal stranglehold over Tibet, just like America is its bugaboo on Taiwan. India provides life support to the Dalai Lama and the Central Tibetan Administration even as global leaders co-operate with Beijing in spurning His Holiness. Tibet's historic monasteries – Ganden, Sera and Drebung amongst them (traditional power centres that China has desecrated and emasculated in Tibet) – now radiate influence from mirror-image establishments in southern India. And India's 100,000-strong Tibetan refugee community is a potent reservoir for fomenting a major uprising in Tibet whenever New Delhi chooses. For Beijing, the idea of taking advice on Tibet from such a key potential adversary would be anathema.

Compounding Beijing's misgivings would be its failure to extinguish simmering opposition within Tibet. Since March 1989, when martial law was imposed in Lhasa (three months before the PLA's massacre of protesters in Tiananmen Square), Tibet has been subjugated by a security establishment so repressive that self-immolation has emerged as the only feasible expression of protest. Given the paranoia that drives Beijing's militarised control, even self-immolation is treated as a challenge to the regime. Many Chinese security personnel in Tibet's cities now tote small fire extinguishers alongside their intimidating array of weaponry. Last week Premier Wen Jiabao blamed self-immolations on "disaffection" spread by the Dalai Lama, intended to split Tibet from China. Wen declared that Beijing has a "firm position" on this.

Wen's "firm position" has taken the form of a two-pronged strategy of "stability" and "development". The former is the euphemism for essentially handing over Tibet to a multitude of security agencies that range from the feared People's Armed Police to a growing rash of outfits that are given to black, commando-style uniforms and heavy truncheons. "Development" has involved resettling rural Tibetans into depressing cinder block communities from where they must pursue professions that are alien to the Tibetan tradition.

This has served only to deepen resentment. In 2008, riots broke out outside the Tibet Autonomous Region, across the Tibetan-inhabited areas of Amdo and Kham, which are now in the Chinese provinces of Sichuan, Gansu and Qinghai. That outbreak of rebellion continues in various forms even today.

In these poisoned circumstances, bumbling Indian do-gooders who seek to encourage dialogue would hardly be welcomed. How would Delhi have reacted to Pakistani suggestions to engage with Syed Ali Shah Geelani during Kashmir's summers of rioting from 2008 to 2010? Remember, Beijing's visceral hostility towards the Dalai Lama far exceeds Delhi's animus to Geelani.

Nor should "Nonalignment 2.0" forget Beijing's going-nowhere talks with the Dalai Lama's representatives, which have sputtered along since the 1990s. This has allowed China to appear reasonable while conceding nothing. Beijing indicates that the only things to be decided are: when the Dalai Lama would resume his position as vice-chairman of the National People's Congress; and in which part of Beijing he would like to reside after returning to the motherland. Qu Xing, director of the officially affiliated China Institute of International Studies, indicated Beijing's approach last year. Referring to Tibet as a Chinese core interest, Qu said: "An important criterion of core interests is that they are not allowed to be negotiated and no compromise can be made on [them]."

For decades, New Delhi has danced to the Chinese tune, shrinking from even mentioning Tibet for fear of angering Beijing. This has allowed China to keep the spotlight on Arunachal Pradesh and, therefore, off its deepening vulnerabilities in Tibet. New Delhi must now strategically reposition the Sino-Indian dialogue, turning the spotlight squarely onto Tibet and asserting our legitimate interests there. These include border trade; religious linkages; people-to-people contacts; and the reopening of India's consulate in Lhasa that was shut down in the 1950s. India's regrettable abandonment of Tibet in 1950 and the abject surrender of the 1954 Panchsheel Agreement are now unchangeable history. But self-interest now demands a more realistic and assertive stance on Tibet.

Ajai Shukla: Get real with China on Tibet
 

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Chinese courts hand down stiff sentences to Tibetan agitators

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Beijing, March 22, 2012

Chinese courts have handed down stiff sentences to 11 Tibetan agitators who took part in the recent protests even as self immolation attempts by Buddhist Monks calling for return of Dalai Lama continued in Tibetan areas.
Eleven people have been sentenced to jail terms ranging from three to 13 years for recent acts of violence and vandalism in southwest China's Sichuan province, according to statements issued by local courts.

In one case, a man named Paldol and six others were convicted of robbery and vandalism in Chaggo county, state-run Xinhua news agency quoted the statements as saying.

Paldol and his accomplices used stones and wooden sticks to attack a local credit cooperative, a police station, an office building, a police vehicle and a China Mobile store, the county court heard, they said.

In another case, a man named Tseyang and three others were convicted of inciting public disorder and using force to obstruct public servants in Serthar county, they said.

Their actions seriously disrupted public order and prevented local stores from engaging in business, the county court ruled.

The protests took place in January this year.

According to overseas Tibetan groups, three protestors were killed and several injured in clashes between police and protesters then.

So far nearly 30 Tibetans, mostly monks, have attempted self immolations in Sichuan and other areas calling for the return of Dalai Lama from his self exile in Dharmasala.

According to International Campaign for Tibet, a 20 year old Monk who was prevented from committing self immolation in Sichuan province last week died three days ago sparking protests in the area.

The report has not been officially confirmed.

The Chinese government has accused the "Tibetan government" in exile of orchestrating the protests to separate Tibet from China.

The statements claimed that the "litigation rights of the defendants have been fully safeguarded during the trials and their relatives and local residents were present in the courtrooms during their trials".

Chinese courts hand down stiff sentences to Tibetan agitators - Hindustan Times
 

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UN: Tibetans on hunger strike demand action against China

March 21, 2012 23:30 IST

The condition of two Tibetans on a hunger strike for almost a month in front of the United Nations has deteriorated. George Joseph reports.

A third person, Dorjee Gyalpo, 59 was forcibly taken away to hospital on the 27th day, March 19, from the fasting tent at the Ralph Bunche Park by the New York police.

The fast by Gyalpo, Shingza Rinpoche, 32, and Yeshi Tenzing, 39, began on February 22, the Tibet an New Year day protesting the Chinese occupation of Tibet and the return of the Dalai Lama. The fasters lived in India earlier.

Gyalpo continues his fast in the Bellevue Hospital also, activists said. Organised by the Tibetan Youth Congress the protest was in support of the continuing self immolations by several activists in Tibet.

Several Tibetans, mostly Buddhist monks and nuns, including 17 this year, have set themselves on fire demanding independence for Tibet.

UN officials too took note of the fast and Assistant Secretary-General for Human Rights, Ivan Simonovic, visited the fasters on March 19.

"When we have people burning themselves to death inside Tibet, we in the free world must do something," Tsewang Rigzin, president of the Tibetan Youth Congress, who came to New York from Dharamsala, specifically for this protest.

The TYC demanded the following from the UN to end the fast: The UN should send a fact-finding delegation to assess the critical situation in Tibet; put pressure on China to stop the undeclared martial law in Tibet; ask China to allow international media to investigate and report on the ongoing atrocities in Tibet; demand China to release all political prisoners; put pressure on China to stop so called patriotic re-education campaign in Tibet.

"We watch in grief as the selfless and courageous non-violent actions of Tibetans inside Tibet continue. Twenty three Tibetans have self-immolated since February 27, 2009. Fifteen of them have died; the whereabouts and the conditions of others remain unknown," a release from the protestors summed up the helpless situation.

"Thousands of Tibetans peacefully rallying on the streets of Tibet were mercilessly shot with automatic weapons, ruthlessly beaten with spiked batons or were later arbitrarily sent to prison to be tortured," it said.

'These ultimate sacrifices by Tibetans inside Tibet are conscious decisions made with unwavering determinations solely dedicated towards a nation's independence and for its people's freedom. The Tibetan Youth Congress will reject any interpretation that reduces these heroic sacrifices as merely acts of desperations or helplessness," it said.

"The Tibetan Youth Congress also condemns all rueful assumptions that callously interpret these brave sacrifices as being pointless and unrealistic to the Tibetan cause. These fearless acts are clearly aimed at alerting the world of the atrocities committed by the People's Republic of China and to continually remind both the Chinese government and the world that Tibetans are demanding independence," it said.

"The Chinese government must understand the gravity of the situation in Tibet and fear the potential magnitude that it represents, rather than foolishly viewing it as enthusiastic trends that can easily be subdued by enforcing more violent and draconian policies. The world cannot continue the blunders of remaining blindly dependent on the Chinese government's misrepresentation of the Tibetan independence movement shamelessly framed as ethnic conflict or simply reduced as a struggle for religious freedom," it said.

"Even the Chinese government undoubtedly understands that the Dalai Lama is more than a religious leader or a sacred figure to the world; he is the symbol of the Tibetan nation. Remember, years ago when people sang and demanded Free Nelson Mandela

, they weren't simply seeking freedom for an individual person but for a nation," it said.

"The sacrifices of these patriots inevitably prove that China is failing in its efforts to win the hearts and minds of the Tibetan people either through propaganda or by force. China must wake up to the reality that it can never dream of conquering the undying will of the Tibetan people who stand united and resolute to ultimately bring down the brutal communist Chinese regime," the release said.

The 11th Shingza Rinpoche Tenzin Choekyi Gyaltsen was born in Bongtag area of Tibet. The Dalai Lama recognised him as reincarnation of 10th Shingza Rinpoche when he was 13 years old and joined Ragya monastery in Golok, Tibet.

Rinpoche fled into exile in 1997 and joined Sera monastery in South India. In 2008, he took part in March to Tibet organized by five Tibetan Non-Governmental Organisations.

He is a freelance writer who has authored two books in Tibetan.

Dorjee Gyalpo escaped to Nepal In 1960. In 1965 he moved to India and went to school in Lower Dharamsala (Sur Sod Lopta). After that he went to Central School for Tibetans in Kalimpong.

He came to the United States in 1992 under the US Tibetan Resettlement Project and moved to Minnesota in 1993.
Yeshi Tenzing was born in exile. He studied in CST Dalhousie. He has been an active member of Tibetan Youth Congress and has participated in many of its campaigns in India.

George Joseph in United Nations

Tibetans on hunger strike demand UN action against China - Rediff.com India News
 

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The world shall watch impotently.

Trade and commerce cannot be sacrificed for the sorrows of the people!
 

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China has become tolerant!

However, the Dalai Lama is giving the Chinese restless nights and nightmares!

Poor Chinese!
 

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The world shall watch impotently.

Trade and commerce cannot be sacrificed for the sorrows of the people!
Yeah, that is why people can go after a Sri Lanka but not a China.
 

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Thousands of school students observe Lhakar in exile

Around 2000 students of the Tibetan Children's Village School, Upper Dharamshala, today observed Lhakar, a popular homegrown movement in Tibet, which centrals around the shared vision of protecting Tibetan identity.

The students, led by the school administration wore Chuba, the Tibetan traditional dress to their classrooms and offices and made special effort in speaking in pure Tibetan language.

"In Tibet, our brothers and sisters face great threat preserving our cultural identity," Tenzin Tashi, a student in his early teens said. "We in exile must show our support to the Lhakar movement and take pledges if possible."

Lhakar, a Tibetan word, which literally translates into "White Wednesday," is a homegrown Tibetan people's movement that initially took root in Tibet following the 2008 mass uprisings, which China brutally suppressed.

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http://www.phayul.com/news/article....ds+of+school+students+observe+Lhakar+in+exile
 

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The part being "corrupted" is not those monks but the general tibeten youth. Now they are watching porn picture rather than Dalai Lama's video. You have to admit that they are the same people like us with same desire: chasing the stars, want to have a car and beautiful apartment. CCP promised them this while Dalai Lama can't.
You were sitting with them when they were watching porn?


You are a non believer and anti God, so what will you understand the pull of religion?

Have you not seen the jihadis.

Visit Southern Xinjiang and have a first hand experience.

They are wedded to their religious beliefs.I am sure they see porn.

Osama did!
 

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The world shall watch impotently.

Trade and commerce cannot be sacrificed for the sorrows of the people!
On the contrary, trade and commerce are decreasing already and with it will decrease the tolerance of Pekings stance on Tibet.
 

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