Crisis in Tibet - Opression and Human rights violations by China

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Girishbharath: "Why no country has balls to move this case to UN Human Rights Council."

Because:
1) India has shit on its ass, Skikkm, Assam, Kashmir, etc
2) India has no ball, you guys need american ball to live! We kicked american ass in korea, in vietnam, where you guy did?
Unfortunately mate we don't consider states who are poorer and have internal troubles as 'shit on our ass' - we see it as a problem that can be fixed. Maybe CCP loves to go in with an iron fist - but that is the definition of a glass house. A nation forged in fear is not a nation at all. Every country has to go through its trials and tribulations, and the forging of our own national identity is occurring during these years. We have only been independent for 60 odd years - and before that we were hardly a united nation. It took the Americans 100 years and two wars to develop some semblance of national identity - it doesn't come easily. Doesn't help when big expansionist (adding I daresay, an element of fear!) Chinese and British try to continually carve up the nation.

Your general who said whoever offend the great han will be killed - what is he, so insecure he can't take criticism himself? Seems to be a recurring theme throughout Chinese history - get others (Pakistan, North Koreans, NVA) to do the dirty work for you, huh?
China has teenagers slaving for peanuts in apple factories and committing suicide in XBOX plants, yet you are asking the PLA to defend others - a noble scheme, but worry about your other great hans before us lesser creatures.

Secondly, India has NEVER been closely aligned to the US. If anything, India was closer to the Soviet side of things, not helped by the Brits and US supporting Pakistan so gregariously (US is still supplying ~1/6-1/7th of Pak military budget). And yeah, you really did "kick" US out of vietnam right? Militarily, the US smoked the Vietnamese and Chinese, even the much vaunted Tet offensive was won by the US. They only really lost cause of the bad press filming everything.

Please don't resort to raw emotion and threats. We are trying to have an intelligent discussion
 

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At this forum, truth doesn't really matter if it irks our Indian friends.

They keep complaining about Chinese policy over Tibet for only one reason, they are stopped from invading Tibet by such policy.
Hi turd. Once a turd always a turd. polish it as much as you can.
 

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I understand how difficult it is to face the truth after being brainwashed and lied by indian leaders from high caste system,you ppl can just attribute anything that you don't care to hear and admit to so-called 50cents rather than using your loafs even though you know it is the truth:rolleyes:
Rephrased and corrected.

I understand how difficult it is to face the truth after being brainwashed and lied by CCP leaders from Han community,you ppl can just attribute anything that you don't care to hear and admit to so-called 50cents rather than using your loafs even though you know it is the truth:rolleyes:
 

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Dalai Lama, himself is nobody! the only difference is chinese government pickup him and nominated him as Dalai Lama. Tibet is part of China, tibetan and han both are chinese, brother! None of Chinese people like to hear India, american, british, etc blablabla about our land Tibet! it is not your business. You guys should aware about words from 2000 years ago Han general "Who offend Great Han, no matter how far, will be killed!".

Let me tell you guy clearly, Southern Tibet is chinese land, Sikkim is an independent tibetan kingdom, Assam should be seperated from india, Chinese people is very worry about indian invading troop of Human rights violations.

PLA should fulfill their obligations to protect Sikkim, Assam, etc people human right!
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The more Indian talk about Tibet, the more Chinese people will support to dismember India!!
Living in glass room, don't throw stone on others!

95% chinese are Han
95% chinese are slaves.

95% chinese speak mandarin, write chinese
95% chinese are fed propaganda, it does not matter if they can read or can write. you have no individuality.

The United Spirit is in most chinese soul
That is because you are scared of CCP and its spies.
 

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"Who offend Great Han, no matter how far, will be killed!".
The Chinese should be more worried, imo.
 

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"Who offend Great Han, no matter how far, will be killed!".
A Mongol once raped and killed hundreds of thousands of Chinese and went on to wipe out one particular culture from China. You know what CCP's, and so by default the Chinese, think about him? He is nowadays considered a Chinese National icon!!! So much for offending the "Han"!
 
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A Mongol once raped and killed hundreds of thousands of Chinese and went on to wipe out one particular culture from China. You know what CCP's, and so by default the Chinese, think about him? He is nowadays considered a Chinese National icon!!! So much for offending the "Han"!
Tolaha, very good, you sound konw a little bit of history. That's 100% true, mongol barbarian once occupied China in 12 century, raped and killed over 30 million chinese. During mongol barbarian time, first night of chinese bride has to be dedicated to her mongol landlord, just like what happened in Russia, India....... But do you know how Great Han people did to keep our sacred pure blood? We killed the first born baby!! What did Indian do? I don't have any dirty mongol barbarian blood, how about you indian guys?

I don't think chinese count mongol barbarian as national icon, your words is very rediculous! Your indian proud Mughal Dynasty is found by mongol Timur Lenk, they ruled india from 1526 to 1858, over 300 years!!! China is the last great nation was conqued by mongol, and China is the first nation smashed mongol control, Chinese killed 2 mongol KHan, how about Indian? Chinese saved the whole world, liberate whole world from mongol barbarian!!

My indian friend you know a little history, but you need read more!!!
 

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Tolaha, very good, you sound konw a little bit of history. That's 100% true, mongol barbarian once occupied China in 12 century, raped and killed over 30 million chinese. During mongol barbarian time, first night of chinese bride has to be dedicated to her mongol landlord, just like what happened in Russia, India....... But do you know how Great Han people did to keep our sacred pure blood? We killed the first born baby!! What did Indian do? I don't have any dirty mongol barbarian blood, how about you indian guys?

I don't think chinese count mongol barbarian as national icon, your words is very rediculous! Your indian proud Mughal Dynasty is found by mongol Timur Lenk, they ruled india from 1526 to 1858, over 300 years!!! China is the last great nation was conqued by mongol, and China is the first nation smashed mongol control, Chinese killed 2 mongol KHan, how about Indian? Chinese saved the whole world, liberate whole world from mongol barbarian!!

My indian friend you know a little history, but you need read more!!!
My goodness, you sound like someone from Aryan Brotherhood.
 

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first night of chinese bride has to be dedicated to her mongol landlord, just like what happened in Russia, India......
Christ on crunch!

You can really invent!

Your indian proud Mughal Dynasty is found by mongol Timur Lenk, they ruled india from 1526 to 1858, over 300 years!!! China is the last great nation was conqued by mongol, and China is the first nation smashed mongol control,
Please go through history a wee bit more in a scholarly manner and you will realise where you stand.

Read this



and



and surely this.

 
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Tolaha, very good, you sound konw a little bit of history. That's 100% true, mongol barbarian once occupied China in 12 century, raped and killed over 30 million chinese. During mongol barbarian time, first night of chinese bride has to be dedicated to her mongol landlord, just like what happened in Russia, India....... But do you know how Great Han people did to keep our sacred pure blood? We killed the first born baby!! What did Indian do? I don't have any dirty mongol barbarian blood, how about you indian guys?

I don't think chinese count mongol barbarian as national icon, your words is very rediculous! Your indian proud Mughal Dynasty is found by mongol Timur Lenk, they ruled india from 1526 to 1858, over 300 years!!! China is the last great nation was conqued by mongol, and China is the first nation smashed mongol control, Chinese killed 2 mongol KHan, how about Indian? Chinese saved the whole world, liberate whole world from mongol barbarian!!

My indian friend you know a little history, but you need read more!!!

Where should I start from.... you are so messed up!!

We killed the first born baby!!
Who exactly is "We" here?

I don't have any dirty mongol barbarian blood, how about you indian guys?
You never know! Inspite of his busy schedule, the Khan spared no effort in enjoying his time in occupied China. Genealogy study indicates that a significant population in China having ancestry from a Mongol Male! Don't speak ill about Chengez, who knows, he might be your ancestor!

I don't think chinese count mongol barbarian as national icon, your words is very rediculous!
Follow your own advice and read more!!!

China is the last great nation was conqued by mongol, and China is the first nation smashed mongol control,
No and really, No!

Your indian proud Mughal Dynasty is found by mongol Timur Lenk, they ruled india from 1526 to 1858, over 300 years!!!
He probably wasnt a Mongol. But importantly, Mongols ruled far more of China and for far longer than the Mughals in India.

My indian friend you know a little history, but you need read more!!!
So funny to be hearing this from you!
 

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Christ on crunch!

You can really invent!

Please go through history a wee bit more in a scholarly manner and you will realise where you stand.

Read this



and



and surely this.


Can not see the images! :noidea:
 

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Could China and India go to war over Tibet?

Could China and India go to war over Tibet? By Dan Twining | Shadow Government

Today is the 50th anniversary of the Lhasa uprising. Much of the associated commentary suggests that Tibet is, at most, an internal human rights issue in China, albeit one that impacts China's foreign relations with Western democracies who care about the plight of the Tibetan people. Indeed, the Dalai Lama's admission that Tibet is part of China, and that he seeks true autonomy rather than actual independence for his people, reaffirm this view. There is also, however, an external dimension to the Tibetan crisis, one that implicates core national security interests of nuclear-armed great powers.

This is the role Tibet's dispensation plays in the conflict between China and India. Indian strategist C. Raja Mohan puts it bluntly: "When there is relative tranquility in Tibet, India and China have reasonably good relations. When Sino-Tibetan tensions rise, India's relationship with China heads south." Although not widely recognized in the West, the nexus of Tibet and the unresolved border conflict between China and India ranks with the Taiwan Strait and Korean peninsula among Asia's leading flashpoints.

Contrary to Chinese propaganda, Tibet was not traditionally a part of China. Over the centuries, relations between China and Tibet were characterized by varying degrees of association spanning the spectrum from sovereignty to suzerainty to independence. The People's Liberation Army invaded Tibet in the middle of the last century precisely because Tibetans did not consent to Beijing's rule.

For its part, prior to Indian independence, then-British India vigorously supported Tibetan autonomy and sponsored the Himalayan kingdoms of Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, and Ladakh to create an expansive geographic buffer between China and the subcontinent. John Garver's excellent history of Sino-Indian rivalry contains useful maps depicting a rump China and an expansive Indian subcontinent separated by a vast, autonomous Tibet, demonstrating how far apart were India and China geographically until Chinese unification by the Communist Party several years after Indian independence gave them a common border.

That common border has since been a source of conflict. As is well known, India and China went to war over their territorial dispute in 1962, ending the era of what Indian Prime Minister Nehru called "Hindi-Chini bhai-bhai" ("Indians and Chinese are brothers"). What is less well known in the West is that China, while subsequently resolving 17 of its 18 outstanding land border disputes with neighboring countries, has kept the territorial conflict with India alive, at times appearing to inflame the issue as a source of leverage over New Delhi.

Over the past two years, Chinese officials have publicly asserted Chinese claims to the entire Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which some Chinese military advisors and strategists refer to as "Southern Tibet." Chinese forces have periodically engaged in small-scale cross-border encroachments, destroying Indian military bunkers and patrol bases in Ladakh and Sikkim.

At the same time, China has been systematically constructing road and rail networks across the Tibetan plateau in ways that tilt the balance of forces along the contested frontier in China's favor; India has responded with infrastructure projects of its own, including roads and air fields, to enable military reinforcement of its border regions, but has failed to keep pace with its northern neighbor. China has also positioned large numbers of military and security forces on the Tibetan plateau, mainly with an eye on suppressing popular unrest. But the possibility of using them to "teach India a lesson" (as in 1962) remains.

Indian pundits note that public reminders from Beijing of China's decisive victory over India in the 1962 war have spiked over the past year, sending what Indians believe is a clear signal to New Delhi at a time of rising tensions. Combined with China's reported deployment in Tibet of nuclear missiles targeting India, officials in New Delhi feel increasingly alarmed in the face of Chinese provocation. In striking statements little noted in the West, both Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee and respected former National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra recently warned China against any attempt to seize Indian-held territory along their contested border.

Surging border tensions may be related to worries in Beijing over the Dalai Lama's succession. Some of the holiest sites in Tibetan Buddhism, including the sacred monastery at Tawang, are in Indian-held territory. The Dalai Lama, who has been in poor health, has said that he would not feel obligated to nominate a successor from, or be reborn in, Tibet proper, raising the possibility that the next Dalai Lama could be named outside China -- in the Tibetan cultural belt that stretches across northern India into Bhutan and Nepal.

Some Indian strategists fear that China may act to preempt, or respond to, an announcement of the Dalai Lama's chosen successor in India - particularly in Tawang -- by deploying the People's Liberation Army to occupy contested territory along the Sino-Indian border, as occurred in 1962, creating a risk of military conflict between the now nuclear-armed Asian giants.

Although China enjoys the dominant military position in the Tibetan plateau, India still has cards to play. It hosts the Dalai Lama's government-in-exile in Dharamsala, enabling Tibet's representatives to keep their cause alive in the court of world opinion. And unlike Britain -- which last October withdrew its recognition of China's "suzerainty" (in favor of "sovereignty") over Tibet in a failed effort to placate Beijing, leading one scornful Singaporean commentator to note that China was "bringing Europe to its knees" -- India continues to recognize only Chinese suzerainty over Tibet, rather than full and consensual sovereignty. This creates the possibility that New Delhi could play a "Tibet card" in its relations with Beijing in the same way that China accuses the United States of playing a "Taiwan card" to keep it off balance.

What do Sino-Indian border tensions linked to the Tibetan cause mean for the United States?

First, the U.S. has a compelling interest in preventing conflict between one of its largest trading partners and its newfound strategic partner.

Second, historic U.S. support for the cause of human rights in Tibet, in addition to Washington's growing military ties with New Delhi, mean that the United States would find it difficult to be a neutral arbiter in such a conflict.

Third, India's continuing political and moral support for the Tibetan government-in-exile demonstrates that it shares with America a set of ideals in foreign policy, creating the basis for greater values-based cooperation between Washington and New Delhi - a prospect that has not gone unnoticed in Beijing.

Fourth, given China's development of military capabilities designed to threaten U.S. access to the Western Pacific and Southeast Asian waterways, Chinese pressure on U.S. friends including the Philippines and Vietnam to back down on claims to contested islets in the South China Sea, and Chinese harassment of the U.S. Navy in Asian waters, Washington has an important interest in making perfectly clear to Beijing that the use of force to resolve contested territorial claims or limit freedom of the seas is unacceptable -- and could upend rather than facilitate China's peaceful rise.
 

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What are they waiting for? We have no ammo, we are in a mess.

But then that's how India is, chaotic. China can try its luck. This is not 1962.
 

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Girishbharath: "Why no country has balls to move this case to UN Human Rights Council."

Because:
1) India has shit on its ass, Skikkm, Assam, Kashmir, etc
2) India has no ball, you guys need american ball to live! We kicked american ass in korea, in vietnam, where you guy did?
If china makes one flase move then the IMPERIAL JAPAN, USA,U.K,FRANCE,E.U ,TAIWAN,SOUTH KOREA,VEITAM,AUSSIES,THE WHOLE OF SOUTH EAST AISA AND INDIA WILL BRING DEMOCRAZY TO CHINA AND IT WOULD BECOME FIVE INDIPENDANT NATIONS LIKE THE USSR .SO CHINA AS TO SHUT UP AND KEEP QUITE . HOPE CHINA AS NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT IMPERIAL JAPAN....
 
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The family planning should pratise in Tibet and Xinjiang, the family were allowwed to have 2babys in these district, the people is less than 18years old can not attend in religion activity. Many years later, the nations will be disappear in the time, so the Chinese Gov. solve the problem.
 

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Why is Tibet Important to China?

Why is Tibet Important to China?


Stratfor's Vice President of Strategic Intelligence Rodger Baker examines how ethnic conflict, fear of foreign intrusion and access to key freshwater sources will continue to keep China's attention focused on Tibet.
 
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