Civil war in Ukraine

[militarysta]

Rubel is cost now 78 dollars


USDRUB (+24.79%) - U.S. Dollar / Russian Ruble 1:1 - Stooq

 

[jouni]

why they worry ?
-because they have sponsored also fascism inside their sosciety?
-because depresse ethnic Russians as minority?
-because they have sent merces to Ukraine?
-because they are happy to enerything NATO is planing against Russia ?

Then ok .. they must worry a bit.. I would say

It looks like you Greeks are similar experts in Ukraine crisis, as you were on state economics of your country back in ´08. I hope Ukrainians learn to be more like German and Nordic countries, when they got aid to help restructure their economy. They should not follow Greece on economic and foreign policy issues, only on tourism and culinary issues.

 

[arpakola]

It looks like you Greeks are similar experts in Ukraine crisis, as you were on state economics of your country back in ´08. I hope Ukrainians learn to be more like German and Nordic countries, when they got aid to help restructure their economy. They should not follow Greece on economic and foreign policy issues, only on tourism and culinary issues.

wait and see ..>> 8th Febrauary .. elections..

 

[arpakola]

Rubel is cost now 78 dollars


USDRUB (+24.79%) - U.S. Dollar / Russian Ruble 1:1 - Stooq

good for exports for a self sufficient country..

eg >> http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=JPY

 

[Akim]

good for exports for a self sufficient country..

eg >> XE: (USD/JPY) US Dollar to Japanese Yen Rate

Greece itself will feed them, but Russia imports a third 2/5 of all foods. Conventionally, in January, Apple was worth 34 ruble buy it now for 67 rubles.

 

[sgarg]

Russians' Economic Expectations

I thought the economic problems of Russia would be foremost on people's minds. The plunge of the ruble, the decline in oil prices, a general slowdown in the economy and the effect of Western sanctions all appear in the West to be hammering the Russian economy. Yet this was not the conversation I was having. The decline in the ruble has affected foreign travel plans, but the public has only recently begun feeling the real impact of these factors, particularly through inflation.

But there was another reason given for the relative calm over the financial situation, and it came not only from government officials but also from private individuals and should be considered very seriously. The Russians pointed out that economic shambles was the norm for Russia, and prosperity the exception. There is always the expectation that prosperity will end and the normal constrictions of Russian poverty return.

The Russians suffered terribly during the 1990s under Boris Yeltsin but also under previous governments stretching back to the czars. In spite of this, several pointed out, they had won the wars they needed to win and had managed to live lives worth living. The golden age of the previous 10 years was coming to an end. That was to be expected, and it would be endured. The government officials meant this as a warning, and I do not think it was a bluff. The pivot of the conversation was about sanctions, and the intent was to show that they would not cause Russia to change its policy toward Ukraine.

Russians' strength is that they can endure things that would break other nations. It was also pointed out that they tend to support the government regardless of competence when Russia feels threatened. Therefore, the Russians argued, no one should expect that sanctions, no matter how harsh, would cause Moscow to capitulate. Instead the Russians would respond with their own sanctions, which were not specified but which I assume would mean seizing the assets of Western companies in Russia and curtailing agricultural imports from Europe. There was no talk of cutting off natural gas supplies to Europe.

If this is so, then the Americans and Europeans are deluding themselves on the effects of sanctions. In general, I personally have little confidence in the use of sanctions. That being said, the Russians gave me another prism to look through. Sanctions reflect European and American thresholds of pain. They are designed to cause pain that the West could not withstand. Applied to others, the effects may vary.

My sense is that the Russians were serious. It would explain why the increased sanctions, plus oil price drops, economic downturns and the rest simply have not caused the erosion of confidence that would be expected. Reliable polling numbers show that President Vladimir Putin is still enormously popular. Whether he remains popular as the decline sets in, and whether the elite being hurt financially are equally sanguine, is another matter. But for me the most important lesson I might have learned in Russia — "might" being the operative term — is that Russians don't respond to economic pressure as Westerners do, and that the idea made famous in a presidential campaign slogan, "It's the economy, stupid," may not apply the same way in Russia.

Viewing Russia From the Inside | Stratfor

 

[sgarg]

Currency movement like this and a stock market crash are signs of something drastic about to happen.

So let us see if the market is correct or is it just undue panic.

 

[militarysta]

USDRUB (+15.00%) - U.S. Dollar / Russian Ruble 1:1 - Stooq

Russian central bank spent a lot of money to stabilizate rubel on circa 72 per 1$. Until 1 AM they spent circa 20 000 000usd from reserve to save rubel.
During this one day Rusia spent it's 5% reserve. And it's not end but just the begining. It's war -without tanks, fighters, soilders. But war -economic.
Propably during december-january-february Russia will spent most of it's reserves to save rubel and economy. After this time they will be in one big black as***le.
And now it have sense - why UA army stopped any movments in Donieck? Becouse USA and polish and other NATO "advisor" said to do this. Now starts to be clearly visible why. Lowering oil prices and killing russian economy take times, propebly in 2015 all will be in decisive phase (crusial point) -and Ukraina will have ready Army and sociaity for any possible steps. Propably recapture Donieck and Lugansk region is possible.

 

[jouni]

Compared to the siege of Leningrad this is nothing. Just some growing pains of emerging Superpower. No pain, no gain! Hang tough! Switch the x-box for Christmas to DNR tin soldier, buy patriotic gift. Instead of holiday in France, dig the snow in dacha and prepare the gabbage field for spring.

 

[militarysta]

Infos form friends form Russia posted by polish analyst:

1. Today russian bank Sbierbank stopped to give any loans to anybody
2. Gazprom will suck 1/4 staff (circa 125 000 peoples)
3. Russians mass went to car dealerships expensive western brandsand start to boy them as money locate - it's almoust impossible to find any free care there now.
4. in exchange offices and banks are long queues - peoples are trying to buy dollars and euros, in commoj opinion untils friday rubel will felt down to level circa 100 rubles per 1$.

the best comment:

 

[asianobserve]

Russia has just lost the economic war with the west | Business | The Guardian

RUSSIA HAS JUST LOST THE ECONOMIC WAR WITH THE WEST

A full-blown currency crisis. That's one way to describe the situation in Russia, where even the attempted "shock and awe" of a 6.5 percentage point-hike in interest rates failed to halt the rouble's slide on the foreign exchanges. The other is to say that Russia has been engaged in an economic war with the west – and has just lost.

 

[asianobserve]

And the Man of the Year for Russians?

Russian public names Putin 'Man of the Year' – fresh poll

An overwhelming majority of Russians named President Vladimir Putin 'Man of the Year' when pollsters asked them to choose from among serving Russian politicians.

The latest research conducted by an independent Russian pollster Public Opinion Foundation (FOM) showed that 68 percent of Russian citizens consider Putin worthy of the title.

http://rt.com/politics/214743-putin-year-man-russia/

It's the vodka...

 

[asianobserve]

Russia's major interest rate hike fails to halt ruble's plummet - The Washington Post

Russia's Major Interest Rate Hike Fails to Halt Ruble's Plummet

MOSCOW — Russia appeared headed Tuesday into a full-fledged currency crisis after the central bank imposed a massive, middle-of-the-night interest rate hike but failed to halt the plummet of the ruble.

Putin is using ordinary Russians as pawns in is delusional chase of grandeur...Poor Russians, before it was the Czars, then the Premiers, now Emperor Putin...

I think Putin is Russia's Bush, Jr, Cheney and Rumsfeld roled into one...

 

[arpakola]

Greece itself will feed them, but Russia imports a third 2/5 of all foods. Conventionally, in January, Apple was worth 34 ruble buy it now for 67 rubles.

Obviously this will change as local produser will go in the market
As for apples the area of Krasnandar - Maykop have huge potensial with apples.. droping to the graound stupidly so far and importing from Poland..
Also supply will be diversified from sources from East and latin.. Already started importing fish from IRAN

 

[arpakola]

Infos form friends form Russia posted by polish analyst:

1. Today russian bank Sbierbank stopped to give any loans to anybody
2. Gazprom will suck 1/4 staff (circa 125 000 peoples)
3. Russians mass went to car dealerships expensive western brandsand start to boy them as money locate - it's almoust impossible to find any free care there now.
4. in exchange offices and banks are long queues - peoples are trying to buy dollars and euros, in commoj opinion untils friday rubel will felt down to level circa 100 rubles per 1$.

the best comment:

http://naforum.zapodaj.net/images/f08e61910649.jpg

try polish economy in stead..
We were fed up from Polish immigrands in Greece last 20 years..

100 rubles per 1$.

actually this is not a devaluation of Ruble but a dollar bubble , the only currency has no econmic backed value but is a pure result of copy mashines and printers..

 

[militarysta]

try polish economy in stead..
We were fed up from Polish immigrands in Greece last 20 years..

ROTFL

Nice fairy tails. Till now Poland is giving Greece loan to save it's lazy peoples and economy - 27 000 000PLN - so circa 8 024 970 USD
So don't be funny cous e 25 yers after coumunism felt down in Poland my country is helping your country in economy crisis.
So you can ansewr yourself where is more helth aconomy and herder working peoples.
Greece in UE is misunderstand. Zero work standard + pure socialism.

 

[Akim]

Obviously this will change as local produser will go in the market
As for apples the area of Krasnandar - Maykop have huge potensial with apples.. droping to the graound stupidly so far and importing from Poland..
Also supply will be diversified from sources from East and latin.. Already started importing fish from IRAN

They also will cost dollars. But still, they will be purchased for dollars. To grow an Apple tree is 5 years. You should also be able to save them until the next season.

 

[arpakola]

ROTFL

Nice fairy tails. Till now Poland is giving Greece loan to save it's lazy peoples and economy - 27 000 000PLN - so circa 8 024 970 USD
So don't be funny cous e 25 yers after coumunism felt down in Poland my country is helping your country in economy crisis. (this what you are told , for not to cry ? beggers..)
So you can ansewr yourself where is more helth aconomy and herder working peoples.
Greece in UE is misunderstand. Zero work standard + pure socialism.

Sorry to say , but we are realy fed up with Polish imigrands.. making lot of trubles after drinkin 10-20 cans of beer.
Please take them back.. ASAP..
Glory - Slava to Poland ..

(and yes after 20 years of Communism you became the servands of Europe , and not only .. most night clubs are full consomation Polish girls..)

 

[arpakola]

They also will cost dollars. But still, they will be purchased for dollars. To grow an Apple tree is 5 years. You should also be able to save them until the next season.

Krasnadar area are full of old grown trees , but for a stupid reason .. they prefered to import from Poland

 

[Akim]

Krasnadar area are full of old grown trees , but for a stupid reason .. they prefered to import from Poland

Why don't you have Lada Kalina?