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Solyanka is a different kind of soup. Kharcho is also different. In General, "Russian cuisine" very a variety of. The occupied part of Donbass, the government will not throw. In the same way Putler can then create a new "people's Republic". This is a big war, which Ukraine was not ready. Hey it takes time.
What is your take on Ukraine being able to take on Russia and finishing off the East Ukrainian rebels?

Will you ever be able to do so?

US or the NATO will not go to war and that is for sure since it can become messy to include a nuclear exchange.

And the UN is a lameduck.

If war was the option, then war should have been done when Russia took Crimea since Crimea strategically is more important to the West than East Ukraine.

So, what is the option?
 
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What is your take on Ukraine being able to take on Russia and finishing off the East Ukrainian rebels?

Will you ever be able to do so?

US or the NATO will not go to war and that is for sure since it can become messy to include a nuclear exchange.

And the UN is a lameduck.

If war was the option, then war should have been done when Russia took Crimea since Crimea strategically is more important to the West than East Ukraine.

So, what is the option?
I'm not Nostradamus. I can't predict what will happen next year. Economic model in Russia, too bad.Сounter - sanctions imposed by the Russian government has done worse to their own people. In the occupied part of the Donbass - hunger. Daily from there to the territory free Ukraine leaves 5-6 thousand people. In Crimea, also decreases the number of products with little water, electricity.
I am not able to make forecasts. It is possible that Putler dare to full-scale war.
 

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I believe Borscht is a very common and popular soup (though I also believe it is whole meal) in Russia and all other Slav nations.

Since of late I am into cooking, I think it is real great and easy way to ensure a full meal with least of bother.

When the winter cold hits in the areas where the Slavs live and it can be real cold, who in the name of sanity would like to waste time in preparing a banquet?

The Russians have Okroshka, Shchi, Rassolnik, Solyanka and Borsch. It is OK for them, but for the Indian palate, it is rather bland, even if filling.

Hungarian Goulash or what they call Gulyásleves is nice, but then........

Have had the opportunity to taste Russian, East European food and German food, but then each one to his own taste.
 

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I'm not Nostradamus. I can't predict what will happen next year. Economic model in Russia, too bad.Сounter - sanctions imposed by the Russian government has done worse to their own people. In the occupied part of the Donbass - hunger. Daily from there to the territory free Ukraine leaves 5-6 thousand people. In Crimea, also decreases the number of products with little water, electricity.
I am not able to make forecasts. It is possible that Putler dare to full-scale war.
One does not have to be a Nostradamus, but then one can weigh the situation on the ground to have some opinion.

Surely, one would not continue fighting, if one does not have a goal or aim that can be achieved. If it cannot be achieved then the fight would be a useless waster of effort in money, time and lives.

I don't think people are so fatalistic or daft.

Putin would also not be daft to engage in Ukraine if it was an endless drain on Russia, would he?

The US aim, with the help of Saudis and OPEC to drive the oil prices down, will surely have serious effect on Russia, even if sanctions are like water slipping off a duck's back.

Oil is turning out to be a major weapon for the US and NATO.

So, what would be the outcome?
 
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One does not have to be a Nostradamus, but then one can weigh the situation on the ground to have some opinion.

Surely, one would not continue fighting, if one does not have a goal or aim that can be achieved. If it cannot be achieved then the fight would be a useless waster of effort in money, time and lives.

I don't think people are so fatalistic or daft.

Putin would also not be daft to engage in Ukraine if it was an endless drain on Russia, would he?

The US aim, with the help of Saudis and OPEC to drive the oil prices down, will surely have serious effect on Russia, even if sanctions are like water slipping off a duck's back.

Oil is turning out to be a major weapon for the US and NATO.

So, what would be the outcome?
Don't you be a fool. In Russian autocracy and solves all one person. You can read the thoughts of Putler? Even independent russian analysts can't predict. You probably guru?
 

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How Russia, Iran and Other Oil-Rich Nations Will Be Slammed By Falling Crude Oil Prices

Global oil prices have dropped to their lowest levels in years, plunging by more than 25 percent in the past five months. Slowing growth in Europe and China is drying up demand, all while production is soaring in the United States and Libya, creating a supply glut. With both of these trends unlikely to change in the coming months, analysts say that lower crude prices could last well into 2015.

For many of the world's major oil-producing nations, falling prices are an economic bust. Countries whose revenues come mostly from oil -- such as Venezuela, Iran and Nigeria -- are struggling to pay off foreign debts, balance and fund their public budgets and stabilize their currencies. Russia, Ecuador and Algeria all risk sliding into economic recession if oil prices continue to drop; Russia's newfound geopolitical assertiveness could be reversed. Mexico and Brazil, while relatively less dependent on oil, could still see slower growth and diminishing revenues.

Brent crude, an international benchmark, was trading at just above $86 per barrel on Thursday morning, while West Texas Intermediate, the American index, was about $81 a barrel. Prices will likely hover around those levels for the next six months, assuming the European and Chinese economies stay flat and war-embattled Libya is still exporting at current levels, Bob McNally, president of Rapidan Group, a Washington-based energy consulting firm, said.

Goldman Sachs is projecting prices will go even lower. The U.S. investment bank slashed its 2015 oil price forecast on Sunday, saying that Brent could fall as low as $80 a barrel and WTI as low as $70 a barrel early next year.

(For some nations, this is good news: In the United States, gasoline prices are down by about 15 percent on average since late June, saving drivers significant change at the pump. China has begun snapping up unusually high amounts of oil to build up its emergency fuel reserves. In Indonesia and the Philippines, which heavily subsidize fuel supplies, the cheaper crude amounts to "a big fiscal stimulus" for the federal governments, Michael Lynch, president of the Strategic Energy and Economic Research consulting firm in Massachusetts, said.)

Here's a look at how some major oil-producing countries could be affected by cheaper crude:


1. Venezuela

Venezuela will be hit hardest by falling oil prices because of its troubled economy. The country had a budget deficit worth nearly 17 percent of its gross domestic product last year -- worse than the deficits in Greece and Spain at the height of the eurozone debt crisis, the Wall Street Journal noted. Foreign cash reserves are at their lowest levels in a decade. While President Nicolas Maduro denies his country is on the brink of defaulting on its external debt, both Lynch and McNally said the possibility is increasingly likely.

Venezuela, the world's ninth-largest oil exporter and holder of the biggest proven oil reserves, needs oil prices at around $120 a barrel -- or 50 percent higher than today -- to keep its economy afloat, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF). For every dollar off the price of oil, the government loses as much as $700 million in estimated revenues per year, according to PVDSA, the state-owned oil producer.

The country "is really dependent on their oil revenues to provide the basics for the public, as well as their operating expenses," Lynch said. "It's not clear what else they can do to cope with" lower prices.

2. Iran

Even before oil prices began to dip, Iran's energy industry was in a freefall. Western sanctions imposed in response to Tehran's nuclear program have greatly reduced the country's ability to export oil, and revenues are down nearly 50 percent since 2012. Iran, once the world's second-largest producer, is now the fourth.

The government remains heavily dependent on oil revenues. To finance its spending plans, Iran needs prices around $136 a barrel, or 70 percent higher than current levels, according to IMF figures. Unlike Venezuela, however, the country does have a backup plan if oil prices remain depressed. President Hassan Rouhani could strike a nuclear agreement with the West by a late November deadline, which would likely result in eased sanctions and enable Iran to boost its oil sales.

But earlier this month, a spokesman accused the West of manipulating oil prices to batter Iran's economy and undermine its negotiating position, according to Iranian media.

3. Nigeria

Petroleum accounts for nearly all of Nigerian exports, with 95 percent of the country's foreign exchange earnings and 85 percent of its total revenues coming from crude oil sales. This lack of economic diversity makes Nigeria especially vulnerable to price swings, and Africa's largest oil producer is already showing signs of suffering.

Oil revenues fell by $604 million in September -- a 16.5 percent fall from the previous month -- due to sliding crude prices and production losses, the government said. If revenues dwindle further, Nigeria could suffer a cash crunch and the government could delay paying state employees. The Central Bank of Nigeria is considering tightening monetary policy, which would push up interest rates and raise investment costs.

4. Russia

Falling oil prices will have a less dramatic impact on the Russian economy in the near term. The country has around $450 billion in reserves to hedge some of the effects of cheaper crude, and that cash could last for up to a year. "They're not in as much trouble" as countries with weaker economies, Lynch said.

Still, Russia could slide into a recession all the same. Moscow gets more than half its budget revenue from oil and gas; for every $10 drop in the per-barrel price of oil, Russia loses up to $14.6 billion a year in revenues, according to Alfa Bank.

On top of that, its currency is weakening. The Russian ruble has slipped by more than one-quarter against the dollar since the start of the year because of falling oil prices and Western sanctions against Moscow over the conflict in Ukraine. Russia has so far spent $6 billion to prop up the currency, but to little effect. At the same time, President Vladimir Putin has promised to spend some $18.2 billion by 2020 to develop infrastructure and services in Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula that Russia annexed earlier this year.

The drop in oil revenues and rise in spending could also weaken Putin's assertiveness toward the West.

"So far, Putin has pursued his geostrategic interests while seemingly ignoring the economic consequences of those actions," William Pomeranz, an expert on Russian policy at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, said. But as Russia's oil revenues dwindle, "eventually he will have to provide answers to the problems of the Russian economy. "¦ It will force Putin to make difficult choices sooner."

Some analysts predict Russia's economy will grow by just 0.5 to 2 percent next year, compared with about 4 percent a year in the 2010-2012 period, the Economist noted.

5. Brazil

State-owned oil-and-gas giant Petrobras has nearly tripled production at its "pre-salt" offshore oil fields since 2012, which has helped boost the firm's overall production even as output at more mature fields declines.

Brazilian leaders are counting on that supply surge to boost profits, pay off debts and fund local schools and hospitals. But for each $1 drop in crude oil prices, Petrobras stands to lose more than $900 million of cash from potential oil sales, according to calculations made by Reuters.

If sustained, the price drop could also undermine Petrobras' long-term plans for expansion. The company projected global prices would hover around $100 a barrel through 2030; a lower price would make it harder to fund new infrastructure and exploration projects. At Brent crude's current levels, Petrobras could forgo around $14 billion a year in potential cash from oil sales after royalties, Reuters calculated.

6. Mexico

As in Brazil, cheaper oil could hamper the progress of Mexico's long-awaited energy sector reforms. In August, President Enrique Peña Nieto approved a sweeping package of measures to allow private and foreign firms to explore for and produce energy in Mexico -- ending the 75-year-long monopoly of Pemex, the state-run oil company.

But lower prices could affect investor interest in the kinds of large-scale projects needed to revamp the country's sluggish oil and gas industries. Pemex's quarterly loss totaled $4.4 billion from July to September, compared to nearly $3 billion for the same period in 2013, because of cheaper oil and declining exports.

Mexico's government also stands to lose a sizable chunk of public funding. Oil revenues from Pemex account for about one-third of the federal budget. For every $1 drop in the price of oil, Mexico loses about $300 million, the Financial Times reported.

How Russia, Iran and Other Oil-Rich Nations Will Be Slammed By Falling Crude Oil Prices
Now, that is how Russia will suffer and so will the other oil producing nations.

The question that begs an answer is that how long the other oil producing nation be ready to take the loss?

They have their own nations to look after and when it start pinching, they will cut production so that there is a shortage and the prices sky-rocket.

The million dollar question thus is when does the pinch starts bleeding.
 

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Don't you be a fool. In Russian autocracy and solves all one person. You can read the thoughts of Putler? Even independent russian analysts can't predict. You probably guru?
I am not a fool as you might be.

Your answer proves it so.

Whether one man decides or every single man Jack decides is immaterial.

You are myopic and beyond strategic analysis it appears.

You have no answer or even a thought and so you duck the issue.

Keep killing yourself.

Let the US and NATO and Russia use you as their proxies and finish you all.

Who cares?

If Ukrainians had brains, they would throw the West and Russia out and build their nation. And Ukraine has everything going its way. If they did not have it, then they would not have made military hardware that could be exported and acclaimed as good.
 
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I am not a fool as you might be.

Your answer proves it so.

Whether one man decides or every single man Jack decides is immaterial.

You are myopic and beyond strategic analysis it appears.

You have no answer or even a thought and so you duck the issue.

Keep killing yourself.

Let the US and NATO and Russia use you as their proxies and finish you all.

Who cares?

If Ukrainians had brains, they would throw the West and Russia out and build their nation. And Ukraine has everything going its way. If they did not have it, then they would not have made military hardware that could be exported and acclaimed as good.
Why all network build of himself the great analysts? Personally, I have two higher educations. I am the Expert/Spechialist on weapons and Master of Politology. However, I'm not trying to insist on their point of view. I don't pay money for it, so you all may say. As you want - and think. Your opinion still doesn't change the course of history.
 

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Akim is right. If you give Putin east Ukraine, he will take it and then ask for more. Thats how they are. Putin has already showed that agreements mean nothing to him.
 

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Akim is right. If you give Putin east Ukraine, he will take it and then ask for more. Thats how they are. Putin has already showed that agreements mean nothing to him.
Akim is wrong. Ukraine is slav nation. What applies to Finland does not apply to Ukraine.

Ukraine has no ability to service the debt it is taking.

Kiev does not have resources to fight a single day.

All these debts that Kiev is taking will make Kiev a slave of the West.

If West was really some Santa Clause, it would give "AID" to Ukraine, not put it in debt.

This is not a story of soup but people's lives.

The issues are very serious. Akim is unable to comprehend the seriousness. This is NOT about Putin. This is about brainwashing of Ukrainians and the bad choices these people are making.

There is no magic bullet that EU will give to Ukraine. Agreements do not change anything. It would have happened without agreement as well if such a magic bullet existed.
 

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Akim is wrong about East Ukraine. Putin DOES NOT want East Ukraine. Russia does not want East Ukraine. The first bullet in the war was fired by the Western saboteurs in Kiev. It is the saboteurs that are in control. The people are losing.

If Akim is expert on weapons, then Akim should explain why Kiev is unable to make any gain. What are the reasons. Kiev is sure not hurting for weapons, with 20+ countries supporting its war effort.

The fact is West has no trust on Ukrainians. If there was trust or if there was a genuine bond, then this would not be the situation.

Akim needs to ask himself why? Why West does not give 20 billion in aid rather than 20 billion in loan. If EU loves Ukraine so much, it should give aid.

Russia that gave 20 billion aid to Ukraine is the bad guy. The EU that talks glibly and puts Ukraine in debt trap is the good guy. How??
 

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The first bullet in the war was fired by the Western saboteurs in Kiev.
The first blood shed by the police beating students in night 29-30 November 2013

Akim needs to ask himself why? Why West does not give 20 billion in aid rather than 20 billion in loan. If EU loves Ukraine so much, it should give aid.
In Ukraine is still rampant corruption. The EU does not give money. What sense to give them - if they are stolen?
 
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Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats are also Slavs.
You study the economic model of each Slav country you just mention. Economy is far more than per capita. You must ask what is sustainability. I have provided you figures for Poland. How much debt has Poland gained. Did Poland really gain the ability to service these debts?? This must be analyzed.
Short term gain is not replacement of long term sustainability.

Study the economic model of India. India has also gained 4x rise in GDP since 1990. However this rise did not come from runaway debt.

Ukraine's integration with Russian economy makes far more sense as any rise in GDP is sustainable in that model.
 

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The first blood shed by the police beating students in night 29-30 November 2013



In Ukraine is still rampant corruption. The EU does not give money. What sense to give them - if they are stolen?
Ukrainians need to come out of this transaction bloodshed model. You people are stuck in an ever increasing cycle of bloodshed. Where is the end??
@Ray is asking you what is your endgame. You must stop blaming Putin. Putin did not cause the events in Kiev. Maybe Yanukovich did something. But Ukrainians who think Yanukovich as Moscow's rubber stamp are simply wrong. Yanukovich was Ukraine's product just as Poroshenko is.
 
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Sgarg, you better start believing in Santa Claus, it is more healthy and believable than what you now believe.
 

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You study the economic model of each Slav country you just mention. Economy is far more than per capita. You must ask what is sustainability. I have provided you figures for Poland. How much debt has Poland gained. Did Poland really gain the ability to service these debts?? This must be analyzed.
Short term gain is not replacement of long term sustainability.

Study the economic model of India. India has also gained 4x rise in GDP since 1990. However this rise did not come from runaway debt.

Ukraine's integration with Russian economy makes far more sense as any rise in GDP is sustainable in that model.
The economic model in Russia is very bad. She is very corrupt. It is not developed. This commodity economy. In Ukraine, a similar economic structure too. Only there is no have a large number of hydrocarbons.
 

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The political relevance of pro-Europe camp in Russia is declining in the face of West's hostility. The West may put impossible conditions to Moscow but that is unlikely to solve the dispute.
@jouni is correct that falling ruble will reduce personal incomes in Russia. In general the European goods will become unaffordable to Russians and these goods will be replaced with cheaper Asian goods.

The social harmony in Russia may not be affected if Putin focuses on revival of russian industry. The increase in jobs will balance the reduction in real incomes. So we need to watch the unemployment figures in Russia, and also the industrial production numbers.

The political structures of Donetsk and Lugansk are solidifying despite the war. The social and economic structures are being created. Some people may have died of hunger but this number is small. The bigger fact is that the State is functioning in Donetsk and Lugansk despite cutoff from Kiev.

These separatist areas will be soon gone forever for Kiev as even Russia will not be able to unite these areas with Ukraine. The people of these regions will oppose any such reunification.
 
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