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It's actually in China's best interest that Russia drifts away from the West.

But is it Russia's interest to be the lap dog of China? China is a power hungry and fickle nouveau riche imperial wannabe that only recognizes yes as an answer from its lap dogs.
 
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Poor @Akim country has lost significant mass of their country and their peace because of this american russian lunacy and members here are blaming Ukraine for everything it has to suffer lol

Only Russian lunacy here. Just notice how Russian neighbors are running away from it.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Thanks Amerika for refusing us to sell their Star fighter which moved us towards the USSR. Or else it could have been debacle. Who's says Amerika dosen't helps.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Thanks Amerika for refusing us to sell their Star fighter which moved us towards the USSR. Or else it could have been debacle. Who's says Amerika dosen't helps.
After kennedy administration everyone american president was prejudiced against us
 

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After kennedy administration everyone american president was prejudiced against us
Ya'll Nibbiars yeah till Bush. Well even now Joe is carrying the same legacy. Even the all administration had this so called for being a Democracy.
 

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After kennedy administration everyone american president was prejudiced against us

After Kennedy all American administrations gave up on convincing India away from its Nehruvian lunacy, that is until the collapse of the USSR brought senses to enough Indian politicians.
 

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After Kennedy all American administrations gave up on convincing India away from its Nehruvian lunacy.
Ya'll Nibbiars every administration never made a Meaningful dialog with India. In simple words Amerika never wanted Its.
 

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It's actually in China's best interest that Russia drifts away from the West.

But is it Russia's interest to be the lap dog of China? China is a power hungry and fickle nouveau riche imperial wannabe that only recognizes yes as an answer from its lap dogs.
“is a power hungry and fickle nouveau riche imperial wannabe that only recognizes yes as an answer from its lap dogs.” add built off foreign blood and resources and you just accurately described America
 

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After Kennedy all American administrations gave up on convincing India away from its Nehruvian lunacy, that is until the collapse of the USSR brought senses to enough Indian politicians.
Read about what a racist sexist bigot Nixon was, and his references to Indira Gandhi and Hindus. You will realise why we were not too cozy with the americans.
 

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Read about what a racist sexist bigot Nixon was, and his references to Indira Gandhi and Hindus. You will realise why we were not too cozy with the americans.
Ya'll Nibbiars you are arguing with a Ameraican supporters. No point in arguing. I normally avoid most if the time.
 

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Have a look at Sleepy Joe’s plummeting approval ratings:

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This has nothing to do with the annexation of Crimea, Russian green alien men marauding the Ukraine’s eastern Russian-speaking populations in the Donbas or certainly not an imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine proper and its anti-Russian capital of Kiev.

It’s right from the script out of a 1997 Hollywood movie about Bill Clinton’s problems. At least back then Hollywood hadn’t totally buried its collective head in its ass.

You guys ever seen or heard of the movie Wag the Dog?

Wag the Dog is a 1997 American political satire black comedy film produced and directed by Barry Levinson and starring Dustin Hoffman and Robert De Niro. The film centers on a spin doctor and a Hollywood producer who fabricate a war in Albania to distract voters from a presidential sex scandal.

Of course, Sleepy Joe’s problem is retardation and dementia upstairs in the brain, not in the downstairs departments.

Still, the latest caterwauling from the desperate Biden White House – on top of the idiotic British intelligence “leaks” over the weekend about a nonexistent Russian invasion plan – was even too much for the Ukrainians themselves. They have been far more cautious in their assessment of the situation on the ground, with current and former Ukrainian national security and defense officials saying they don’t recognize Russia’s latest military buildup as anything out of the ordinary.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “does not think there’s any remotely imminent threat to Kyiv” at the moment.

He also said, “The fact that the US was the first one to announce this” – this being the voluntary departures and mandatory withdrawals – “is extremely disappointing and quite frankly these Americans are safer in Kyiv than they are in Los Angeles … or any other crime-ridden city in the US”.

Hard to disagree.

Worthy of mention is also the larger issue of Washington’s hideous hypocrisy on interventions. An in-depth research on US foreign interventions since WWII will show the blatant and hypocritical shamelessness of Americans and their shills when they bleat about "countries should decide their own fate", "MUHHHH sovereignty" which all disappeared when the Americans had to steal oil and loot resources from countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc.

The usual excuse is "protecting the liberal order against unwanted border changes or threats to sovereignty."

Really?

Between 1947 and 1989, the United States tried to change other nations’ governments 72 times; That’s a remarkable number. It includes 66 covert operations and six overt ones.

Most covert efforts to replace another country’s government failed.

During the Cold War, for instance, 26 of the United States’ covert operations successfully brought a U.S.-backed government to power; the remaining 40 failed.

There were 16 cases in which Washington sought to influence foreign elections by covertly funding, advising and spreading propaganda for its preferred candidates, often doing so beyond a single election cycle. Of these, the U.S.-backed parties won their elections 75 percent of the time.

In most cases, after a nation’s government was toppled, it was less democratic and more likely to suffer civil war, domestic instability and mass killing. At the very least, citizens lost faith in their governments.

"Democracy" and "sovereignty" anyone? Of course Russia's neighbors are becoming belligerent towards it, what the liars and shills leave out is that it happens only after the The Great Satan America funds crypto-Nazis to bring about an illegal coup, oust the democratically elected President and put a US-backed puppet in its place. No wonder the country moves towards the West.

Going further, demanding Russia give up its historic claim to the Russified province of Crimea as an excuse for Washington’s belligerence and threat of economic and even militarized war is just plain idiotic.

Indeed, Washington’s hypocritical and tendentious accusations against Russia’s re-absorption of Crimea imply that the dead hand of the Soviet presidium must be defended at all costs – as if the security of North Dakota depended upon it.

The allegedly “occupied” territory of Crimea, in fact, was actually purchased from the Ottomans by Catherine the Great in 1783, thereby satisfying the longstanding quest of the Russian czars for a warm-water port. Over the ages, Sevastopol then emerged as a great naval base at the strategic tip of the Crimean peninsula, where it became home to the mighty Black Sea Fleet of the czars and then the Soviet Commissars, alike.

For the next 171 years Crimea was an integral part of Russia (until 1954). That span equals the 170 years that have elapsed since California was annexed by a similar thrust of “Manifest Destiny” on this continent, thereby providing, incidentally, the United States Navy with its own warm-water port in San Diego.

While no foreign forces subsequently invaded the California coasts, it was most definitely not Ukrainian rifles, artillery and blood that famously annihilated The Charge of the Light Brigade at the Crimean city of Balaclava in 1854; they were Russians defending the homeland from invading Turks, French and Brits.

At the end of the day, security of its historical port in Crimea is Russia’s Red Line, not Washington’s.

Unlike today’s feather-headed Washington pols, even the enfeebled Franklin Roosevelt at least knew that he was in Soviet Russia when he made port in the Crimean city of Yalta in February 1945.

Maneuvering to cement his control of the Kremlin in the intrigue-ridden struggle for succession after Stalin’s death a few years later, Nikita Khrushchev allegedly spent 15 minutes reviewing his “gift” of Crimea to his subalterns in Kiev.

As it happened, therefore, Crimea became part of the Ukraine only by writ of the former Soviet Union:

"On April 26, 1954 The decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet transferring the Crimea Oblast from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR. Taking into account the integral character of the economy, the territorial proximity and the close economic and cultural ties between the Crimea Province and the Ukrainian SSR…. (emphasis ours)"

In fact, the Kiev government’s current Washington-supported brouhaha about “returning” Crimea is a naked case of the hegemonic arrogance that has overtaken Imperial Washington since the 1991 Soviet demise.

After all, during the long decades of the Cold War, the West did nothing to liberate the “captive nation” of Ukraine – with or without the Crimean appendage bestowed upon it in 1954. Nor did it draw any red lines in the mid-1990s when a financially desperate Ukraine rented back Sevastopol and the strategic redoubts of the Crimea to an equally pauperized Russia.

In short, in the era before we got our Pacific port in 1848 and even during the 170-year interval since then, America’s national security has depended not one whit on the status of Russian-speaking Crimea and the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. The fact that the local population of the former in March 2014 chose fealty to the Grand Thief in Moscow over the ruffians and rabble that have seized Kiev amounts to a giant, “So what?”

Still, it was this final aggressive drive of Washington and NATO into the internal affairs of Russia’s historical neighbor and vassal, Ukraine, that largely accounts for the demonization of Putin. Likewise, it is virtually the entire source of the false claim that Russia has aggressive, expansionist designs on the former Warsaw Pact states in the Baltics, Poland, and beyond.

The latter is a nonsensical fabrication. In fact, it was the neocon meddlers from Washington who crushed Ukraine’s last semblance of civil governance when they enabled ultra-nationalists and crypto-Nazis to gain government positions after the February 2014 coup.

So it may be fairly asked: What lame brains did not understand yet that Washington’s triggering of “regime change” in Kiev would reopen this entire bloody history of sectarian and political strife?

Moreover, once they had opened Pandora’s Box, why was it so hard to see that an outright partition of Ukraine with autonomy for the Donbas and Crimea, or even accession to the Russian state from which these communities had originated, would have been a perfectly reasonable resolution?

Certainly that would have been far preferable to dragging all of Europe into the lunacy of the current anti-Putin sanctions, sanctions which more or less mean war, and embroiling the Ukrainian factions in a suicidal civil war.
 

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Read about what a racist sexist bigot Nixon was, and his references to Indira Gandhi and Hindus. You will realise why we were not too cozy with the americans.
Nixon represents Americans? Do you know what happened to him?

Besides, do you know what upper caste Indians think of dark skinned lower caste Indians in the same year Nixon you said uttered those things against Nehru's dynastic successors in the 1970s? Does don't look far mean anything to you? Most Indians would immigrate to the US now if given the chance.
But then again, to Soviet orphans in India, the clock is always stuck in 1971... :bplease:
 

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Nixon represents Americans? Do you know what happened to him?

Besides, do you know what upper caste Indians think of dark skinned lower caste Indians in the same year Nixon you said uttered those things against Nehru's dynastic successors in the 1970s? Does don't look far mean anything to you? Most Indians would immigrate to the US now if given the chance.
But then again, to Soviet orphans in India, the clock is always stuck in 1971... :bplease:
Ah yes. Here we go again.

Nixon was in power during Jim Crow and Segregation, am i correct?

Nixon was in power when the Americans dropped tons of Napalm on North Korean Citizens amiright?

Nixon was the first and the last to provide Pakistan with arms, indirectly fueling the insurgency in Kashmir, amiright?

The only reason the US is so developed is becuase of the way they bully and intimidate other weaker nations for their resources, and even immigrants. Read about what happened to Chinese American laborers during the 1800s.

Anyway, the American Enpire is collapsing. It saw its peak during the 90s, but now, it’s decline has begun. Culturally, and development wise too. So many people unemployed, so many people getting fired for not taking a vaccine, more people getting depressed from too much stress in this corporatist society.
 

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Ah yes. Here we go again.

Nixon was in power during Jim Crow and Segregation, am i correct?

Nixon was in power when the Americans dropped tons of Napalm on North Korean Citizens amiright?

Nixon was the first and the last to provide Pakistan with arms, indirectly fueling the insurgency in Kashmir, amiright?

The only reason the US is so developed is becuase of the way they bully and intimidate other weaker nations for their resources, and even immigrants. Read about what happened to Chinese American laborers during the 1800s.

Anyway, the American Enpire is collapsing. It saw its peak during the 90s, but now, it’s decline has begun. Culturally, and development wise too. So many people unemployed, so many people getting fired for not taking a vaccine, more people getting depressed from too much stress in this corporatist society.

Ah, to Soviet orphans in India the only reason the US is the sole superpower is that Kryptonites somehow gifted dumb Americans a lot of Kryptonite currencies. These Americans are so dumb and so prejudiced that eventually this Kryptonite currency will run out and these dumb Americans will be as poor as Indians.

Russians on the other hand are naturally astute and suave and Russia is heaven. No wonder Indians are immigrating to Russia in droves.... are they? :bplease:
 

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Let's do a quick fact check?
  1. Do the Russian's sending there Baltic fleet near the coast of California or NY? ❌
  2. Do the Russian's sending there Baltic fleet near Alaska? ❌
  3. Do the Russian's sending there Baltic fleet near UK? ❌
Alright, no biggie, then how about more facts,
  1. Does the NATO and West pushing its destroyers and frigates to Baltic Sea as regular maritime petrol ? ✅
  2. Does the NATO and West pushing its destroyers and frigates to Black Sea as regular maritime petrol? ✅
  3. Does the NATO and West pushing its destroyers, frigates and CBGs to Atlantic on regular maritime petrol? ✅
Takes no genius to understand who is the aggressor was all along, and why Russian have to take disruptive yet desperate measures such as annex Crimea and Donbas to again, as I formerly mentioned over this thread, and to what Chinese are also doing all along since the start of 2020s, "Consolidating there previous known territories and borders as per there claims". The West has moved from the 19th century era of "Balance of powers".
Are the Baltic and Black Seas inland lakes of Russia? There are many sovereign countries on their coast and it is their decision with whom to be friends. I should not ask the neighbor's opinion about which girl I should invite to visit.
Same with annexation. This is very similar to the excuse of a pedophile who raped a little girl - after all, she will grow up and become a woman.
 

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Ah, to Soviet orphans in India the only reason the US is the sole superpower is that Kryptonites somehow gifted dumb Americans a lot of Kryptonite currencies. These Americans are so dumb and so prejudiced that eventually this Kryptonite currency will run out and these dumb Americans will be as poor as Indians.

Russians on the other hand are naturally astute and suave and Russia is heaven. No wonder Indians are immigrating to Russia in droves.... are they? :bplease:
What does this have to do with anything I said?
 

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Are the Baltic and Black Seas inland lakes of Russia? There are many sovereign countries on their coast and it is their decision with whom to be friends. I should not ask the neighbor's opinion about which girl I should invite to visit.
Same with annexation. This is very similar to the excuse of a pedophile who raped a little girl - after all, she will grow up and become a woman.

Russia is the ugly and mean ogre neighbor that all neighboring beautiful girls are running away from. So what does the ugly and mean ogre do? Forcibly pull these beautiful neighborhood girls into his arms. :bplease:
 

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Ah, to Soviet orphans in India the only reason the US is the sole superpower is that Kryptonites somehow gifted dumb Americans a lot of Kryptonite currencies. These Americans are so dumb and so prejudiced that eventually this Kryptonite currency will run out and these dumb Americans will be as poor as Indians.

Russians on the other hand are naturally astute and suave and Russia is heaven. No wonder Indians are immigrating to Russia in droves.... are they? :bplease:
Your arguments fail under strawman fallacy. You latch on to one aspect of a post that is slightly controvertial, present an opposite view, then pretend you won.

Nixon was an american president. A representative of american people. Thus, his actions are a reflection of american mindset and ideals of his time.

You brought up caste divide-Which no one has ever said on this forum should be supported, so how is it relevant here? Caste divide existed, so Nixon acting against India and calling Hindus "filthy" is justified? You ignore the fact that the US never supported India till it had to, out of fear of creating an adversary of a nation that was progressing faster than any other country.

US support is post 2000, when we emerged as a leading regional power militarily and economically. Therefore, US-India relations are opportunity based. Indo Russian relations were strong when we had little to offer them, and they are time tested reliable partners. Till now, Russia has offered us any tech we asked for- US is still threatening us with sanctions. Who is a better friend?
 
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