Chinese Jasmine Revolution Spreads Online

[redragon]

Its not just CNN or BBC which are showing these pictures or news on Jasmine revolution in China. Go to google news and type "Jasmine revolution China", you will find thousands of articles talking about this. It is also supported by the fact that China has blocked the words like "Jasmine" form the internet. It is for everyone to see that who is scared to see this revolution. So, don't delude yourself that China is being willfully maligned by western media.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2029336/linked-china

All are hot airs, there were only handful protestors showed up.

 

[Ray]

so you keep saying. yet your own examples of what Chinese media is not printing are wrong. so you are basically pointing out Chinese media doesnt print false things. "no freedom" is simple false.

and if you think Chinese media are going to rely on things like CNN or BBC who are proven to lie in the pictures you are even crazier. these western media have already discredited themselves so dont be surprised if no one bother to re print their news.

I appears that you are not trying to understand the point, either deliberately so as to obfuscate or you have not the requisite grip over the English language that you claim to have by claiming to be an 'overseas Chinese' for whatever that be!

I am not in the pursuit of a J'Accuse.

I am merely trying to understand the psyche of the Chinese and the Chinese media.

If the western media, publishes the views of the Chinese, which are contrary to that of the the western point of view, it indicates that they are bold enough to publish a contrary and derogatory view of the western point of view. It is obvious that they are not afraid to face the adverse commentary of their govt and their actions.

I hope you have understood that - not afraid to print views that are grossly against their govt as enunciated in China. In other words, they are not afraid of what the Chinese view will have on their governance or statehood!

On the other hand, China is not in a position to publish views of the western media which are against the Chinese government and their system of governance.

In other words, why is the Chinese govt afraid to publish such an anti CCP view, when the western media is not afraid to publish anti west news from China?

I ask this since it is claimed that there is great 'freedom' in China.

The facts, including what is explained above, indicates that China is afraid, for reasons best known to the CCP, of anti China western news and so they don't publish the same.

 

[Ray]

Its not just CNN or BBC which are showing these pictures or news on Jasmine revolution in China

Al Jazeerah is also publishing.

In fact, the world media, including friends of China, is publishing.

China alone is not publishing. And it is well known that the Chinese media, controlled by the CCP, does not publish anti China news.

Therefore, to even neutral observers, it appears that something is going on in China as an aftermath of the Middle East crisis.

 

[Ray]

All are hot airs, there were only handful protestors showed up.

What were they protesting about?

What is the link with the Middle East Jasmine Revolution?

 

[shyamranger]

We wish Jasmine revolution in China for a free and democratic expression of Chinese people's aspiration and in the process if Xinxiang and Tibet is liberated then its bonus.

I don't know why....people of India is so love with China.......and pray for there freedom and democracy. First India should show the world that being a democratic country India had exceed China in all way such as Poverty elevation, Military, Economy, Sports , Influence around the world..........etc. But in every aspect India lag behind. May be due to there autocracy system China had fast emerged as Economic Power......Power fast and Freedom Later. India should show by achieving this things other wise world will laugh at you.

 

[JustForLaughs]

Its not just CNN or BBC which are showing these pictures or news on Jasmine revolution in China. Go to google news and type "Jasmine revolution China", you will find thousands of articles talking about this. It is also supported by the fact that China has blocked the words like "Jasmine" form the internet. It is for everyone to see that who is scared to see this revolution. So, don't delude yourself that China is being willfully maligned by western media.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2029336/linked-china

so thousand articles are wrong. your point? they call it a revolution just to incite chaos. there is ZERO evidence of any revolution. more people post in this thread than protested for jasmine revolution in China. what a joke.

that stupid overseas group had to resort to so called walk by protest. well how convenient, now if ZERO people show up, which is pretty much the case, they can claim all these people who walk by were protesting.

 

[JustForLaughs]

I appears that you are not trying to understand the point, either deliberately so as to obfuscate or you have not the requisite grip over the English language that you claim to have by claiming to be an 'overseas Chinese' for whatever that be!

I am not in the pursuit of a J'Accuse.

I am merely trying to understand the psyche of the Chinese and the Chinese media.

If the western media, publishes the views of the Chinese, which are contrary to that of the the western point of view, it indicates that they are bold enough to publish a contrary and derogatory view of the western point of view. It is obvious that they are not afraid to face the adverse commentary of their govt and their actions.

I hope you have understood that - not afraid to print views that are grossly against their govt as enunciated in China. In other words, they are not afraid of what the Chinese view will have on their governance or statehood!

On the other hand, China is not in a position to publish views of the western media which are against the Chinese government and their system of governance.

In other words, why is the Chinese govt afraid to publish such an anti CCP view, when the western media is not afraid to publish anti west news from China?

I ask this since it is claimed that there is great 'freedom' in China.

The facts, including what is explained above, indicates that China is afraid, for reasons best known to the CCP, of anti China western news and so they don't publish the same.

and you actually believe those two things are equal? funny.

show me american media that print a chinese media attacking democracy and freedom?


chinese view vs western view. both media have done so. system of governance is something else. where is western media printing chinese media attacking democracy? that is the equivalent of what you ask from China.

 

[Ray]

and you actually believe those two things are equal? funny.

show me american media that print a chinese media attacking democracy and freedom?

The zpneeuropa has clearly printed new/blogs from China which states that the Western media is publishing 'false news'. That itself is a huge body blow! to the western media's credibility and yet they published!!!

Should that not suffice or do you want all to trawl the net to find stories to satiate your deficit in knowing what the West publishes?

chinese view vs western view. both media have done so. system of governance is something else. where is western media printing chinese media attacking democracy? that is the equivalent of what you ask from China.

Not quite.

Adequate to indicate the example of zoneeuropa.

Maybe you would like to show the Chinese media stating that China is a nation of copycats, which is so evident. That is not a very earthshaking news, and is quite bland.

That is also a sort of J'Accuse like the Chinese J'Accuse published in zoneeuropa.

China falsely claiming copies of foreign products as their own originals and the West falsifying news with wrong photographs. Hence, the deliberate error is of the same magnitude.

Yet, the Western media has no qualms to publish anti West news from China, but the Chinese media quakes to publish the truth/ facts emanating from the West!!

Does the Chinese media publish even such bland but factual news?

 

[Ray]

JFL,

Did you read the thread about the 'freedom' of the media in Hong Kong?

To imagine such fetters even in a part of China called Hong Kong, which you proudly state is a democracy and 'freer' than the Mainland China!

If the example of Hong Kong fettering their media is a sign of this freedom and democracy, then the Mainland, by that denominator, must be in chains!

 

[JustForLaughs]

The zpneeuropa has clearly printed new/blogs from China which states that the Western media is publishing 'false news'. That itself is a huge body blow! to the western media's credibility and yet they published!!!

Should that not suffice or do you want all to trawl the net to find stories to satiate your deficit in knowing what the West publishes?




Not quite.

Adequate to indicate the example of zoneeuropa.

Maybe you would like to show the Chinese media stating that China is a nation of copycats, which is so evident. That is not a very earthshaking news, and is quite bland.

That is also a sort of J'Accuse like the Chinese J'Accuse published in zoneeuropa.

China falsely claiming copies of foreign products as their own originals and the West falsifying news with wrong photographs. Hence, the deliberate error is of the same magnitude.

Yet, the Western media has no qualms to publish anti West news from China, but the Chinese media quakes to publish the truth/ facts emanating from the West!!

Does the Chinese media publish even such bland but factual news?

SCMP: US says Baidu notorious for piracy
http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCM...6e210VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCRD&ss=China&s=News

Xinhua: China improves efforts against IPR infringements, better investment climate for foreigners
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-01/19/c_13698265.htm

Xinhua: China launches campaign to promote public awareness in protecting intellectual property
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-11/11/c_13600888.htm

BTW, zoneeuropa is not remotely on the same level in western news as xinhua and scmp are for chinese. because funny enough, the ones who are on their level in western media (CNN, BBC) are the ones who are lying in the pics. so this sure is one sided.

 

[no smoking]

We wish Jasmine revolution in China for a free and democratic expression of Chinese people's aspiration and in the process if Xinxiang and Tibet is liberated then its bonus.

I don't know when China will become a democratic country. But there is one thing for sure, there is no single territory could get their independence as a result of democracy because most chinese (or han chinese) won't support it. Because unification is in our blood. The only possibility that they can get independence is that china is even weaker than 1910-1929.

 

[nimo_cn]

I don't know when China will become a democratic country. But there is one thing for sure, there is no single territory could get their independence as a result of democracy because most chinese (or han chinese) won't support it. Because unification is in our blood. The only possibility that they can get independence is that china is even weaker than 1910-1929.

No Smoking, you are missing the point here. Democratic or undemocratic, it is not what they really care, what they truely want is a chaotic China where they can fish.

You are right, a democratic and stable China won't lose her territory, but a weak China wrecked an Egypt or Lybia style "revolution" is definitely going to lose everything from land to economy. We know it, so do the Indians.

We all know how China conceded Outer Mongolia under the coercion of Russia, right? If China was plunged into a situation like Lybia is having now, India won't just sit tight and watch because it is going to be the perfect time for them to take a revenge against China and invade Tibet, even Xinjiang. We all know they are a bunch of expansionist.

Why do you think they are expecting a revolution in China, for a free and democratic expression of Chinese people's aspiration? Well, that is just a big joke!

 

[mayfair]

No Smoking, you are missing the point here. Democratic or undemocratic, it is not what they really care, what they truely want is a chaotic China where they can fish.

You are right, a democratic and stable China won't lose her territory, but a weak China wrecked an Egypt or Lybia style "revolution" is definitely going to lose everything from land to economy. We know it, so do the Indians.

We all know how China conceded Outer Mongolia under the coercion of Russia, right? If China was plunged into a situation like Lybia is having now, India won't just sit tight and watch because it is going to be the perfect time for them to take a revenge against China and invade Tibet, even Xinjiang. We all know they are a bunch of expansionist.

Why do you think they are expecting a revolution in China, for a free and democratic expression of Chinese people's aspiration? Well, that is just a big joke!

We are expansionists??? Just when it seemed that you hit the rick bottom, the bottom caved in again

Their is a saying in Hindi- UlTaa chor kotwaal ko daanTe

or if you please

打人喊救人

 

[Tronic]

Democracy in China will not be democracy for the simple fact that it is being set up to be a dictatorship of the majority. Simple examples are in Xinjiang and Tibet where the Han Chinese have quite literally invaded these areas, eventually turning the ethnic peoples of these nations into a minority. An example of this is Inner Mongolia. A land where the ethnic Mongolians have been reduced to a negligible number and the Han Chinese make a majority of 80%. Outer Mongolia survived this Han expansion, due to the Russians which helped them save and secure their land from the Chinese. Otherwise, Outer Mongolia too would today have been a Han Chinese land, not Mongolian. The Tibetans were unfortunate to have India, and not Russia, as a neighbour.

 

[Ray]

Comprehension of a negative news used to give a positive spin is called disinformation, which is a part of psyops.

China is doing just that. Producing soft negative news and spinning a positive image like China is fighting for copyrights etc. It is not reproducing explosive negative news of the western media aimed against China. On the other hand, the Western media has no qualms in producing negative news against the West from China, the example being that of zoneeuropa wherein the Chinese have called the Western media as concocter of news with false photos. The Chinese claim that in the Tibet Uprising that was brutally crushed, the Western media had published false photos were widely reported in the Western media as also elsewhere including India. So was the photo and report of the Chinese handicapped person being pushed during the Olympic Flame tour, which caused indignation all over the world.

It is futile to pursue this discussion since it appears that it is beyond the pale of those who are not versed in the tenets of psyops.

zoneeuorpa is a western media organisation. America alone is not the West. It maybe in certain psychotic psyche wherein there is a tunnel vision that only the USA is the West.

 

[Ray]

It is not that anyone wants democracy, as understood in the West, to be implanted in China.

Such an eventuality will never come to pass since China's cultural heritage is totally different from that of the West.

What I presume that most of the posters are alluding to is that there should be, if possible, a freer society where the opinions of the common Chinese is heard for policy making.

It is obvious that all the people of a country cannot sit together and discuss to formulate policy. Therefore, the next best thing is to have the representative of the people of various areas/ districts sitting in the seat of Government and deciding policies that the Government should implement.

The National People's Congress (全国人民代表大会) is the only legislative house in the People's Republic of China. The membership is determined by the CCP and the members are selected through an indirect manner and not with a direct election. Therefore, in the truest form, it does not represent the people since they were not directly elected to office. In other countries, they are elected directly by the people and hence represent the people in a more transparent way.

The National Peoples' Congress, as per Hu Xiaoyan, is such that she has no power to help her constituents. She was quoted as saying, "As a parliamentary representative, I don't have any real power." (BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7922720.stm).

However, there is a silver lining in so far as China adjusting her priorities to face the modern challenges.

Thee bureaucracy in China is already on the way to tailormaking the civil services system and manufacturing sector.

The Chinese Government has undertaken extensive reforms to its civil service system over the past 10 years. These have encompassed recruitment and selection, training, appraisal, rewards and punishments, compensation, discipline and other areas. This chapter reviews each of these elements. The chapter argues that the capacity of the civil service has improved during the past 10 years. But the capacity improvements may be explained by reasons other than civil service reform, such as by improvements in China's system of education. The rapid expansion of higher education since 1980 has produced a large population that is eligible for civil service employment.

China's large and diverse sector of "public service units" (PSUs – shiye danwei) is a galaxy of public service providers operating alongside core government and separate from other state-owned or state-sponsored organisations such as state-owned enterprises (SOEs), state-owned financial institutions and state-sponsored "social organisations". Following on from the reform of SOEs and core government, the reform of PSUs represents the third major step of reforms that aim at transforming the organisational structure of the public sector into one that assists the socialist market economy.

 

[Ray]

In so far as Indians feeling elated if there is turmoil in China,wherein Tibet can be liberated by India is concerned, it is a hypothesis that can never happen.

There is enough of precedence to show that China does not take kindly to any unrest, rebellion or revolution or even uprising in Tibet and Xinjiang. If there is turmoil in China, the first place to be 'sorted out' would be Tibet and Xinjaing since they are more rebellious than others, who could thereafter be controlled.

Hence, to believe that any country can liberate Tibet or Xinjaing would be chasing the will o' the wisp!!

Pragmatism overshadows wild imagination!

Expansionism, if it were India's forte and desire, then China would not have been able to walk into Tibet and capture it. The reason is simple. At that time, China was fighting the US in the Korean War and all military focus of China was rivet in Korea. Tibetans would have welcomed India and assisted in fighting the Chinese expansionism in Tibet.

 

[badguy2000]

well, guys, do you know what is the most popular slogan of CHinese netizens about "Jasmine revolution"?
that is:

When Jasmine revolution takes place in Libya, we Chinese can retreat to CHina.

but when Jasmine revolution were to take place in CHina, where could we Chinese retreat ?

 

[Daredevil]

well, guys, do you know what is the most popular slogan of CHinese netizens about "Jasmine revolution"?
that is:

When Jasmine revolution takes place in Libya, we Chinese can retreat to CHina.

but when Jasmine revolution were to take place in CHina, where could we Chinese retreat ?

I think it should be CCP members that should retreat not the Chinese per se. Remember China is for Chinese.

 

[Ray]

There is no turmoil in China reported now a days.

Therefore, if there was a Jasmine Revolution (if indeed there was, which now it appears was an incorrect news or even western propaganda), then it has been crushed or it was never there in the first place and instead was some local disgruntlement blown out of proportion.