China's first indigenous carrier CV17

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China will soon replace France as the #2 Carrier Power


 
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"Even Thailand joined the carrier club before China"

Please discover the truth that the Thai carrier was designed and built by China in 1980's.
 

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I think FP is being slightly misleading by designating small helicopter carriers and LHDs like Mistral, Dokdo and the Juan Carlos class as aircraft carriers.

Yes helicopters are technically aircraft, but anything that can't operate fix wing fast jets is just a helicarrier incapable of air and sea control
 

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I think FP is being slightly misleading by designating small helicopter carriers and LHDs like Mistral, Dokdo and the Juan Carlos class as aircraft carriers.

Yes helicopters are technically aircraft, but anything that can't operate fix wing fast jets is just a helicarrier incapable of air and sea control
With the advent of STOVL, any flat top can be a carrier.
 

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With the advent of STOVL, any flat top can be a carrier.
Disingenuous. Not every heli carrier can do STOVL ops.

Case and point Mistral and Dokdo. Even if France and SoKo had F35B's, neither of those classes can operate them. Izumo and Juan Carlos could.
 

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Disingenuous. Not every heli carrier can do STOVL ops.

Case and point Mistral and Dokdo. Even if France and SoKo had F35B's, neither of those classes can operate them. Izumo and Juan Carlos could.
Every carrier can do them, just not for very long without a heat resistant coating. The Mistral already has V-22 certification, it just needs the thermal coat for an F-35B. I don't remember if the heavy lift elevator is rated though.
 

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"Even Thailand joined the carrier club before China"

Please discover the truth that the Thai carrier was designed and built by China in 1980's.
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BEWARE CHINA HAS TAKEN OVER SPAIN.... You proved China is a hegemonic and xi jinping Winnie the pooh new HITLER and Chinese citizens new NAZIS...:scared2::scared2::scared2:
 

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Every carrier can do them, just not for very long without a heat resistant coating. The Mistral already has V-22 certification, it just needs the thermal coat for an F-35B. I don't remember if the heavy lift elevator is rated though.
Mistral's ability to operate F35B's in any meaningful way combat wise is something that has been debated ad nauseam on key publishing years ago. But suit yourself mate.
 

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The electronic attack variant of the J15. An operational EA squadron on board would make both CV16 and CV17 much more potent as attacking platforms...



 

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Mistral's ability to operate F35B's in any meaningful way combat wise is something that has been debated ad nauseam on key publishing years ago. But suit yourself mate.
The Mistral was offered to Australia with slight modifications so it isn't like it couldn't do it in a meaningful way. If the need arose to operate them, it would not be a problem.
 

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The electronic attack variant of the J15. An operational EA squadron on board would make both CV16 and CV17 much more potent as attacking platforms...



Pics from qq offering top side and frontal aspects of the airframe



 

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Pics from qq offering top side and frontal aspects of the airframe



A much clearer shot of the electronic warfare variant of the carrier borne J15:



The amount of composite materials on the airframe surface of this variant is significantly larger than on a typical J15. Flaps, tail section, including vertical stabilizers and even the sting between the engines seem to be all composite now.

Its also interesting that they've added wing fences to the J15 airframe; much like the EA18 growler adds wing fences to improve stability on the F18 airframe. Contrast the above to the typical J15 airframe below:



 
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The first aircraft to land and take off from CV17's flight deck is officially a Z18 transport helicopter:









Which explains why this FOD walk was done:



Lights on:

 

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Japan, Australia, and Egypt don't have real aircraft carriers, they have helicopter carriers which can't launch fixed wing aircraft apart from the Harrier and F 35B which none of them currently have. And if we only count carriers than can CURRENTLY launch planes, Britain shouldn't even be on the list. The only countries that operate aircraft carriers with multirole supersonic fighters right now are the US, France, Russia, India and China.
 

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If India hadn't hastily decommissioned the Virat before commissioning the Vikrant, we'd have higher "tonnage" than China.
I feel the same why we decommissioned virat before the induction of vikrant ..............
 

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