How exactly does the phrase "The PLAN continues to lack a robust deep-water ASW capability" translate to "one modern SSK can sink your entire task force"? Robust or not, the PLAN does have a deep-water ASW capability...
It means exactly that when your task force enters deep water it can be easily destroyed by a stealthy SSK as you will never find it in the wide open ocean because you "continue to lack a robust deep-water ASW capability."
A Scorpene with F21 Artemis would have no problem sinking the entire group at range. You would have no idea where they came from before detecting them with no chance of escape. With 6 tubes capable of salvo fire every ship would be crippled or sinking in the first round, the second salvo would finish it.
If that's true I feel really good about India's scorpene purchase. :biggrin2:
Submerged, a Scorpene is a slow-moving conventional sub that would not be able to keep up with any carrier task-force in any open, deep-water scenario. Lacking AIP tech, a Scorpene wouldn't even be able to stay submerged long enough to lie in wait for said carrier task-force before ASW escorts screened the carrier's path...
Even without AIP a Scorpene can stay submerged over a week. It could snorkel at night and you wouldn't find it. The range of the F21 Artemis give a Scorpene commander many angles of engagement thanks to the systems incredible range and updates after launch. Chinese ships are incredibly noisy so the Scorpene captain will have a battle picture at plenty of range while remaining completely passive. Your ASW screen is useless against Scorpene which is more silent than the Rubis SSN which sunk the Eisenhower battle group. The Americans would have a difficult time engaging this submarine, you don't have a prayer. If it was using one of your crappy torpedoes it might have to get close enough to be discovered but with F21, it is game over.
Unfortunately, despite your high evaluation of the Scorpene sub, Malaysia, another user of Scorpene submarines are having huge operational problems with them. Mind you, Malaysian Navy culture is more regular maintenance and services oriented than their Indian counterpart. I think the Indian Navy should not put too much faith into such submarines and develop their own submarines befitting the environments of the surrounding waters (Indian Ocean, Arabian Sea, Andaman Sea and Bay of Bengal) and customizing them to such.
Any sources apart from your own conviction? Would like to see what is so special about maintainence culture of Malaysian navy?
If you would stop cutting your defence budgets and quit trying to blackmail your shipyards to get something for free you might not have such problems. Good to see BHIC beat the charges and the stock price skyrocketed back to where it belongs.
The Scorpene's submerged transit speed is freaking 8kns, its patrol speed is 4kns. How is it ever going to keep up with any CBG?
What makes you think it needs to "keep up" with it? It is not hard to track where it will be going.
Maybe your submarines, not ours. We use RAM coats and a cutting design that reduces wake. Your low tech radars wouldn't pick up our snorkels unless you had one on top of it. Our submarine's diesel engines are well insulated from your obsolete hydrophones. You act as if PLAN has US level ASW capabilities... it does not.
You act as if the location of a Chinese CBG could be kept a secret when it is easily visible even to commercial satellites.
My truck weighs more than that.
Because all major Chinese surface combatants use pre-89' Pielstick engines that are license produced from France that do not incorporate any 21st century technology.
First of all... Stop pretending to be French my friend. Its getting kinda sad watching your act...
A non-AIP Scorpene would have to intercept the task-force's path, then stay submerged long enough on battery power to not be picked up by the CBG's ASW screen, which would include the escorting SSN, ASW frigates/Destroyers, Carrier borne heavy ASW helicopters and the medium weight ASW helicopters on the escort platforms. Even LRMPA aircraft are generally involved in screening a carrier's path.
My pension says otherwise.
DCNS doesn't exist, but if you knew anything about it you would know it is Naval Group.
It isn't that hard if you are in the general heading of the surface group. With Artemis getting positioning is much easier with a fire solution at 50km range.
1989 is the limit of your access to French technology and in sonars/marine engines you have yet to surpass it.
Soooo... You're a French pensioner who now lives in the US but used to live in China and had a gold-digging Chinese girlfriend? Yeah, that must be true... Who am I to stop the A-class performance.
I never said I lived in the US. I don't know how you can be Chinese and never heard of VPN. Hey now we can both be Chinese!
Ughh please man. When they were first contracted with India they were to be built and supported by Navantia but they later withdrew from the project. Since you are such an expert on it yet you already have two strikes.
I got 1000 hours in Jane's Naval Combat simulator used by the USN's Surface Warfare School, I know a thing or two.
If it was such a fantasy then why does the USN fear SSKs so much? Because it is the only thing that has a chance of sinking their carriers.
Just the two things I mentioned and any Crotale clones you still use, maybe some helicopter engines. The vast majority is cloned from the Soviet era.
All of your latest subs use a clone of the TSM-2255 and 2233. Your surface vessels won't get anywhere close enough to use theirs.
Yeah, you could be Indian for all we know
... It's weird how some people are so ashamed of their nationality they spend 9+ years impersonating a Frenchy.
It's usually a wumao tradition. The French are fiercely proud of their military & the stuff they make.Yeah, you could be Indian for all we know
My apologies kind Sir. What I meant to type was 1 565 tons on the CM2000 non AIP version to be precise. It's a typo mate. No need to get snippy.
Do a small experiment. Go talk to any Frenchman about Raphale & then tell me whether you understood my point. Trust me we had got nothing on French when it comes to internet nationalism.
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