China-Vietnam War (1979~1989)

[Ray]

Tandao,

Are you suggesting that Mao did not want North and South Vietnam to unite?

I presume if what you say is true, then it was with an eye on the future, where China could claim that North Vietnam is Chinese property because the Han dynasty had ruled that area for long.

But then they should remember Bạch Đằng River and Ngô Quyền.

 

[tandao]

Tandao,

Are you suggesting that Mao did not want North and South Vietnam to unite?

I presume if what you say is true, then it was with an eye on the future, where China could claim that North Vietnam is Chinese property because the Han dynasty had ruled that area for long.

But then they should remember Bạch Đằng River and Ngô Quyền.

Ray,
are you really Indian? your Vietnam history knowledge just awesome!!!

and YES, it's true, China leaders in 70s years don't want North and South VN to be unite, North VN leaders did not listen to China leaders and Vietnam close relation with Soviet are the root cause of Sino-Vietnam war 1979-1990.

More over, have a look at the regimes that China supports: North Korea, Myanmar, some Africa contries
we can see all of them are very bad regimes, there is no freedom in there countries.

One more point, I think people all over the world does not trust China government, that's sad but true.

 

[Ray]

Yes I am a true Indian.

I love to know about people and their food.

As a sidelight, I also learn their history.

But why should the Chinese not want the two Vietnams to unite?

 

[tandao]

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Well, I think that you don't have chances to watch news often, or CCTV did not let you know...
When Mr Nguyen Phu Trong, President of Vietnam Communist Party visited China, signed a co operation agreement...
Mr Truong Tan Sang, president of Socialist republic oF VN, was visiting India, signed a contract of buying Brahmos missile and have a Navy co operation agreement...
Mr Nguyen Tan Dung, Prime minister, was visiting EU countries, signed a contract of buying aircraft C-295, EC-225, buying Sigma warships of Dutch Damen Ship buiding Company....
Sometimes policy is not simple as you see, guys!

and that 3 visits were happened at the SAME time, that actions of our leaders eased my worries about our policies in dealing with China

 

[tandao]

Yes I am a true Indian.

I love to know about people and their food.

As a sidelight, I also learn their history.

But why should the Chinese not want the two Vietnams to unite?

after Nixon's visit(China), China leaders no longer support Vietnam in Vietnam war.
US and China Screwed Vietnam in Vietnam war. you can see in 1974 when China navy invaded Spray Islands which was under South VN control, US Seventh Fleet was stationing very near the battle field but they did not reply the support request from South VN. You see: US and China had a deal: China stop supporting North VN and US will not have any actions when China invaded Spary Islands.

So,

Vietnamese DO NOT trust on US
Vietnamese DO NOT trust on China

Vietnamese put their faith on Russia and India, countries that have no conflict with them.

 

[DMF]

For the common folks of China, have no idea that Chinese leaders not support the unification of VN, all Chinese people know is that the other way round. But you know,after China's relationship went bad with the Soviet, it was said that Soviet Chairmen Mr Stalin told Mr Mao to stay north of Yangzi river, only have half of China, in 1949. but such statements can not be verified.
China forght VN, because at that time, VN was invincible, invaded Camboidia and Loas, also had a war with Tailand, Malay got threatened, China have to do something to stop VN, China was at the begining of ecomomic development,need a peaceful enviroment that's why the war was forght between China and VN. The war lasted almost ten years, the same time China down sized the army, have located less buget to the army and asked the army to do some business and trade to survive by themselves. China meant for a peaceful revive only wake up when the USA sent tow missiles into a Chinese embassy.
I don't think there will be another war between China and any Asian country in the foreseeable future, because business is No.1 priority not only for China, but also for all the countries now, no peace, no business. The coming 10years will be crucial for China to complete the industrialization, by the year 2020, China's industry ability will be basically on par with the Europe then.
There are lot of way to solv disputs between countries, the war is the last and worst choice.

 

[Ray]

DMF,

It is hardly believable that Vietnam was aiming to conquer all of SE Asia.

I don't know why China felt that Vietnam was some sort of a Superpower in those times!

 

[ice berg]

DMF,

It is hardly believable that Vietnam was aiming to conquer all of SE Asia.

I don't know why China felt that Vietnam was some sort of a Superpower in those times!

I suggest you take a closer look at the map. They had the ambition and the means to achieve that. They have a strategic place in SE Asia.
It cant be that hard to understand. All the sources are available. If you are half as diligent to know about them as about Mao.,..

 

[Ray]

I suggest you take a closer look at the map. They had the ambition and the means to achieve that. They have a strategic place in SE Asia.
It cant be that hard to understand. All the sources are available. If you are half as diligent to know about them as about Mao.,..

I have seen the map and I have studied the campaigns out in SEAsia.

But to feel that Vietnam is some sort of a super marauding nation with unlimited power is a bit too thick.

One has to understand that it is not easy to occupy nations and think that nothing will happen to the invading force and people will keep greeting them with flowers.

Also understand, logistics has an important role to play in any warfare and one must not think wars are fought merely by drawing fat arrows on a map!

 

[ice berg]

I have seen the map and I have studied the campaigns out in SEAsia.

But to feel that Vietnam is some sort of a super marauding nation with unlimited power is a bit too thick.

One has to understand that it is not easy to occupy nations and think that nothing will happen to the invading force and people will keep greeting them with flowers.

Also understand, logistics has an important role to play in any warfare and one must not think wars are fought merely by drawing fat arrows on a map!

You are the one claiming them having unlimited power. Too have ambitions and the means to achieve that is different from been omnipotent. I suggest you study their claims and actions prior to the war.

 

[Ray]

Have I given the impression that Vietnam has unlimited power?

Have I given the impression that they can swarm the landscape of SEAsia?

Or have I said that they have the gumption to take on others to defend their interest.

Your post indicates some pique against Vietnam.

 

[Armand2REP]

hi DMF,
we, Vietnamese all respect and appreciated China's helps on French war and in 60s years to build up our country, without your help we can not win that war, we are ALL appreciated your helps.

Every Vietnamese I have ever met hates Chinese with a passion. I have heard parents telling their children, "Don't go too far or a chink is going to kidnap you and feed you to the tigers! There is no appreciation as there is a war almost every century with them. Vietnamese didn't win anything by kicking out France, it got transferred to the Americans and then the Soviets came in. Where was China then?

 

[ice berg]

Have I given the impression that Vietnam has unlimited power?

Have I given the impression that they can swarm the landscape of SEAsia?

Or have I said that they have the gumption to take on others to defend their interest.

Your post indicates some pique against Vietnam.

Look at your own post. You were the one who brought up the unlimited power thing.
I have no pique against Vietnam. Actually planing a trip there. Lovely country.

 

[tandao]

For the common folks of China, have no idea that Chinese leaders not support the unification of VN, all Chinese people know is that the other way round. But you know,after China's relationship went bad with the Soviet, it was said that Soviet Chairmen Mr Stalin told Mr Mao to stay north of Yangzi river, only have half of China, in 1949. but such statements can not be verified.
China forght VN, because at that time, VN was invincible, invaded Camboidia and Loas, also had a war with Tailand, Malay got threatened, China have to do something to stop VN, China was at the begining of ecomomic development,need a peaceful enviroment that's why the war was forght between China and VN. The war lasted almost ten years, the same time China down sized the army, have located less buget to the army and asked the army to do some business and trade to survive by themselves. China meant for a peaceful revive only wake up when the USA sent tow missiles into a Chinese embassy.
I don't think there will be another war between China and any Asian country in the foreseeable future, because business is No.1 priority not only for China, but also for all the countries now, no peace, no business. The coming 10years will be crucial for China to complete the industrialization, by the year 2020, China's industry ability will be basically on par with the Europe then.
There are lot of way to solv disputs between countries, the war is the last and worst choice.

DMF,

Your brain is washed!!!
Vietnam invaded Combodia and Laos? what the hell is that? you see now, Laos treats Vietnam like closest friend. No doubt about this a one of best relationships between friends all over the world.

Cambodia is another stories, Pol-pot was urged to attack the border in south VN in 1975-1978, and who urged them to attack VN? China and US government. Vietnam freed Cambodian from deadly regime and this regime now is sentencing in international court. should China government be sentenced here also?

Thailand supported Pol-pot because US gave them money to do that, there are some small battles in Thailand's border when Vietnam arm force attack Pol-pot's base inside Thai's border, why you said that Maylai is threatened? What the hell is that?

Also, you see that China had wars with all the countries that share border with her.

What do you want to say now?

 

[tandao]

Every Vietnamese I have ever met hates Chinese with a passion. I have heard parents telling their children, "Don't go too far or a chink is going to kidnap you and feed you to the tigers! There is no appreciation as there is a war almost every century with them. Vietnamese didn't win anything by kicking out France, it got transferred to the Americans and then the Soviets came in. Where was China then?

China have a big influence in Vietnam political system, without China's help, we can not build up our military in 50s-60s years, especially in Dien Bien Phu, where France got biggest defeat. But inside every Vietnam people, there is a big concern about a big neighbor which always try to invade their mother land.

Do you understand now?

 

[tandao]

I suggest you take a closer look at the map. They had the ambition and the means to achieve that. They have a strategic place in SE Asia.
It cant be that hard to understand. All the sources are available. If you are half as diligent to know about them as about Mao.,..

That why China always want our land, and why Vietnamese have big concern about China, they hate China, included me

 

[mikhail]

That why China always want our land, and why Vietnamese have big concern about China, they hate China, included me

mate we Indians also hate the expansion policy of the chipandas(chinese pandas).it seems that the pandas have a fetish of capturing lans of their neighbouring countries.they tried to capture the entire noth-eastern part of India in the 1962 sino -Indian war but they retreated for some mysterious reasons.they also did the same in sino-vietnamese war.it seems that even though the pandas like to capture foreign soil they always retreat for apparently no reason!most of the countries of the planet have always been suspicious regarding chipanda foreign policy!

 

[DMF]

The history is writen by human beings, must be writen from a specific view point, can not be 100% objective, for example, just as you stated "Pol-pot was urged to attack the border in south VN in 1975-1978, and who urged them to attack VN? China and US government", your statement is not correct. Pol-pot was follower of Mao, but a enemy of USA[FONT=宋体]，[/FONT]he can't be urged by the USA to attack VN, VN always much stronger then Cambodai, it's crazy for them to attack you, sure they were crazy,busy killing their own people for the sake of revolution, VN invited by Hun Sen to invade, not because attacked.
In 1974, after China defeated South VN over some south China sea island disputes, at that time the North VN cheered China and condemned the South VN, but years later, all the condemn goes to China by the same people, this is history.
After VN united and USA defeated and withdrew from the South East Asia, VN was a big bully in the region. China had to calm VN down a little, this is a fact.
VN people hate China, its easy to understand, in the forseeable future, VN have to live in the shadow of China.
China fought some wars with neighbours, but the situation changed, now China need to do business with everybody, need a good relationship with everybody, now it's not the time to solv disputes by war, but China will fight if no other way out.

 

[DMF]

mate we Indians also hate the expansion policy of the chipandas(chinese pandas).it seems that the pandas have a fetish of capturing lans of their neighbouring countries.they tried to capture the entire noth-eastern part of India in the 1962 sino -Indian war but they retreated for some mysterious reasons.they also did the same in sino-vietnamese war.it seems that even though the pandas like to capture foreign soil they always retreat for apparently no reason!most of the countries of the planet have always been suspicious regarding chipanda foreign policy!

China not need your land, you wonder why China beat you and went away, because China only forced to deffend, in 1962, deffend against the "forward policy", in 1979 ask VN to withdrow from Cambodia and stop harassing the Southeast Asia.
If you think to occupy other countries land will get benefits, then you still live in colonial time. Looking at the French, they are regreting to colonize north Africa and make France a Muslim country. It's will be a big disaster for China if China took some land with some Indians or Veitnamese living on it.
Looking at Japan and Korea, both small land and no natural resources, but prospered, this is the way to develop, not the Saddam Hussin of Iraq way.

 

[Paracel]

Vietnamese hate war but Chinese like it. Why?. Vietnamese forgotten about war in 1979 but Chinese still remember it. China say with Vietnam: We are friends. But they attacked Vietnam. In southwest of Vietnam, they have "Pol pot" as their allies.

genocide of Pol Pot