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The photo underlying the quote shows only attack heli, so i just assumed..
By the way what is the breakup according to you...
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I know it but I don't know the reasons. I'm no expert.....................
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Oct 23, 2019 update
it's possibly the closest pic of the possible China's third carrier under construction.
the major crane seems to have moved backwards and the middle shelter separated from the front shelter but no major changes from outside.
Compared with satellite image on Sept.18, 2019
it's possibly the closest pic of the possible China's third carrier under construction.
the major crane seems to have moved backwards and the middle shelter separated from the front shelter but no major changes from outside.
Compared with satellite image on Sept.18, 2019
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can't see any interesting features it's all blocked by shelters and the building. the photographer's position is pretty bad, may be in 5 o'clock position in the Sept. 18's image.Oct 23, 2019 update
it's possibly the closest pic of the possible China's third carrier under construction.
the major crane seems to have moved backwards and the middle shelter separated from the front shelter but no major changes from outside.
Compared with satellite image on Sept.18, 2019
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Z-10 and J-10 crash just days after they flew in 70th anniversary parade.
[New Tang Dynasty, Beijing time, October 25, 2019] The Chinese Air Force frequently broke the plane and killed the people. The official confirmed that Gong Dachuan, a pilot of the Communist Army, died on October 11 during the training mission. According to some sources, Gong Dachuan participated in the "Eleventh" military parade when he was alive. He was driving a helicopter gunship.
On October 23, Beijing time, the Henan Xintian official confirmed that the 33-year-old Gong Dachuan was a former military officer, a major rank, and a captain of the captain. The official did not inform the type of military aircraft that Gong Dachuan was driving, but some sources said that the plane he was driving was crashed into the mountain.
Earlier, there were overseas Chinese media reports that a helicopter crashed in the military airstrike recently, killing three soldiers. According to the source, Gong Dachuan participated in the military parade held in Beijing on October 1st, when he drove a 70-pattern. According to public information, it was the Zhi-10 and Zhi-19 helicopters that participated in the military parade at that time.
As of now, the CCP official has not announced the public information of two other death pilots. However, photos show that in addition to Gong Dachuan, the other two death pilots are named Wen Weibin and Luo Wei. One of them may be from Guilin, Guangxi. On October 23, the body of Gong Dachuan was sent back to Xinye, and the official held a memorial service for him.
According to some sources, the CCP’s “Eleventh” military parade, which was costly at all costs, also reported two crashes during the preparatory process, causing several casualties.
According to the China Human Rights and Democracy Information Center, in September, an accident occurred in a military helicopter that participated in the "Eleventh" military parade in Hebei.
The news also said that two military helicopter crashes occurred around the "Eleventh" military parade or security, and seven soldiers died, including two colonels and a lieutenant colonel. One of the colonel Cha Xianwei participated in the military parade many times. It was originally one of the most important figures in the military parade formation on October 1st.
Subsequently, it was reported that Cha Yingwei, a special pilot of the Army’s Army Air Force, drove a direct-10 armed helicopter on May 17 and died unexpectedly.
Since the beginning of this year, there have been frequent crashes in the army, resulting in the death of several pilots. On May 31, it was suspected that the Tianjin Yuxian-10A fighter plane crashed, but the official has not confirmed it yet.
On May 18, a CCP-JN-7A fighter-bomber crashed in Gaocun Town, Weihai, Shandong Province. The two pilots were unaccounted for. At that time, a surveillance video circulating on the mainland network showed that an aircraft crashed from the vertical vertical at 7:00 on the morning of the 18th. The huge fireball vacated and the scene was very fierce.
On May 13, the Mi-17 series helicopters driven by the "921721" unit of the Army's Army Air Force crashed over the Qinling Mountains, killing six people. According to the China Human Rights and Democracy Information Center, the accident was a special training flight test for the security on October 1. The special training flight was arranged in the high mountains of the Qinling Mountains.
On March 12, the Chinese military confirmed that a naval air fighter had crashed during flight training in Ledong County, Hainan, and two pilots died. There is news that the crashed military aircraft is the CCP’s “歼轰-7A”.
It is said that the aircraft is a "widow maker" fighter, and its ejection system has big problems. In the past, 12 aircraft have been crashed and at least 17 pilots have been killed.
(Reporter Luo Tingting Report / Editor: Dai Ming)
http://cn.ntdtv.com/gb/2019/10/25/a102693191.html
Engine flaws and a lack of training have been identified as the likely causes of two accidents that hit the Chinese air force in the space of little over a week – one of which claimed the lives of three airmen.
Deaths from the crashes, which happened within a span of 10 days, included a helicopter pilot who took part in the National Day grand parade at the start of the month.
A number of military sources said that as the air force stepped up its exercises – part of President Xi Jinping’s call to strengthen the “combat readiness” of the military – more accidents would happen as increased drills exposed technical problems and inadequate training.
“[If these problems are not resolved], it is foreseeable that more accidents will happen because the top brass is pushing for more drills and exercises across the military,” said one source close to the air force.
Local television reports named pilot Gong Dachuan, 33, and 37-year-old engineer Wen Weibin, as two of this killed in the crash. The third victim was later named as Luo Wei, from Luzhou in Sichuan, by an online mourning website.
A memorial for Gong was held by the local government in Xinye County last Tuesday.
“The three people were conducting some tests on the helicopter,” said a local source who declined to disclose where the crash happened and the nature of the test.
Xinye county government in Henan province held a memorial to honour the dead pilot. Photo: Handout
Media reports said that Gong had flown in this year’s National Day parade in Beijing, while Wen had been decorated for his participation in the 2015 parade in Beijing to mark the 70th anniversary of victory over Japan in World War II.
The three dead airmen have been designated as martyrs, the reports added.
The second accident happened eight days later on the Tibetan Plateau where a J-10 fighter jet on a low-altitude flying drill crashed into the mountain.
“Fortunately, the pilot ejected safely in time, but the J-10 crashed into the mountain,” said an informed source, who requested anonymity since no official announcement about the accident has been made.
“Preliminary investigations indicated that the accident had something to with the Russian-made AL-31 engine on board the J-10,” the source said.
Military analysts said the air force needs to improve the durability of its aircraft and training for pilots.
Hong Kong-based military expert Song Zhongping suggested that problems with engines and flight control systems were also key reasons behind some of the fatal crashes.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/fatal-crash-highlights-chinese-air-140155942.html
[New Tang Dynasty, Beijing time, October 25, 2019] The Chinese Air Force frequently broke the plane and killed the people. The official confirmed that Gong Dachuan, a pilot of the Communist Army, died on October 11 during the training mission. According to some sources, Gong Dachuan participated in the "Eleventh" military parade when he was alive. He was driving a helicopter gunship.
On October 23, Beijing time, the Henan Xintian official confirmed that the 33-year-old Gong Dachuan was a former military officer, a major rank, and a captain of the captain. The official did not inform the type of military aircraft that Gong Dachuan was driving, but some sources said that the plane he was driving was crashed into the mountain.
Earlier, there were overseas Chinese media reports that a helicopter crashed in the military airstrike recently, killing three soldiers. According to the source, Gong Dachuan participated in the military parade held in Beijing on October 1st, when he drove a 70-pattern. According to public information, it was the Zhi-10 and Zhi-19 helicopters that participated in the military parade at that time.
As of now, the CCP official has not announced the public information of two other death pilots. However, photos show that in addition to Gong Dachuan, the other two death pilots are named Wen Weibin and Luo Wei. One of them may be from Guilin, Guangxi. On October 23, the body of Gong Dachuan was sent back to Xinye, and the official held a memorial service for him.
According to some sources, the CCP’s “Eleventh” military parade, which was costly at all costs, also reported two crashes during the preparatory process, causing several casualties.
According to the China Human Rights and Democracy Information Center, in September, an accident occurred in a military helicopter that participated in the "Eleventh" military parade in Hebei.
The news also said that two military helicopter crashes occurred around the "Eleventh" military parade or security, and seven soldiers died, including two colonels and a lieutenant colonel. One of the colonel Cha Xianwei participated in the military parade many times. It was originally one of the most important figures in the military parade formation on October 1st.
Subsequently, it was reported that Cha Yingwei, a special pilot of the Army’s Army Air Force, drove a direct-10 armed helicopter on May 17 and died unexpectedly.
Since the beginning of this year, there have been frequent crashes in the army, resulting in the death of several pilots. On May 31, it was suspected that the Tianjin Yuxian-10A fighter plane crashed, but the official has not confirmed it yet.
On May 18, a CCP-JN-7A fighter-bomber crashed in Gaocun Town, Weihai, Shandong Province. The two pilots were unaccounted for. At that time, a surveillance video circulating on the mainland network showed that an aircraft crashed from the vertical vertical at 7:00 on the morning of the 18th. The huge fireball vacated and the scene was very fierce.
On May 13, the Mi-17 series helicopters driven by the "921721" unit of the Army's Army Air Force crashed over the Qinling Mountains, killing six people. According to the China Human Rights and Democracy Information Center, the accident was a special training flight test for the security on October 1. The special training flight was arranged in the high mountains of the Qinling Mountains.
On March 12, the Chinese military confirmed that a naval air fighter had crashed during flight training in Ledong County, Hainan, and two pilots died. There is news that the crashed military aircraft is the CCP’s “歼轰-7A”.
It is said that the aircraft is a "widow maker" fighter, and its ejection system has big problems. In the past, 12 aircraft have been crashed and at least 17 pilots have been killed.
(Reporter Luo Tingting Report / Editor: Dai Ming)
http://cn.ntdtv.com/gb/2019/10/25/a102693191.html
Engine flaws and a lack of training have been identified as the likely causes of two accidents that hit the Chinese air force in the space of little over a week – one of which claimed the lives of three airmen.
Deaths from the crashes, which happened within a span of 10 days, included a helicopter pilot who took part in the National Day grand parade at the start of the month.
A number of military sources said that as the air force stepped up its exercises – part of President Xi Jinping’s call to strengthen the “combat readiness” of the military – more accidents would happen as increased drills exposed technical problems and inadequate training.
“[If these problems are not resolved], it is foreseeable that more accidents will happen because the top brass is pushing for more drills and exercises across the military,” said one source close to the air force.
Local television reports named pilot Gong Dachuan, 33, and 37-year-old engineer Wen Weibin, as two of this killed in the crash. The third victim was later named as Luo Wei, from Luzhou in Sichuan, by an online mourning website.
A memorial for Gong was held by the local government in Xinye County last Tuesday.
“The three people were conducting some tests on the helicopter,” said a local source who declined to disclose where the crash happened and the nature of the test.
Xinye county government in Henan province held a memorial to honour the dead pilot. Photo: Handout
Media reports said that Gong had flown in this year’s National Day parade in Beijing, while Wen had been decorated for his participation in the 2015 parade in Beijing to mark the 70th anniversary of victory over Japan in World War II.
The three dead airmen have been designated as martyrs, the reports added.
The second accident happened eight days later on the Tibetan Plateau where a J-10 fighter jet on a low-altitude flying drill crashed into the mountain.
“Fortunately, the pilot ejected safely in time, but the J-10 crashed into the mountain,” said an informed source, who requested anonymity since no official announcement about the accident has been made.
“Preliminary investigations indicated that the accident had something to with the Russian-made AL-31 engine on board the J-10,” the source said.
Military analysts said the air force needs to improve the durability of its aircraft and training for pilots.
Hong Kong-based military expert Song Zhongping suggested that problems with engines and flight control systems were also key reasons behind some of the fatal crashes.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/fatal-crash-highlights-chinese-air-140155942.html
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This means the Chinese air force has just now started doing the type of intensive training that the Indian Air Force has always been doing. The Chinese have still never performed an exercise like Gagan Shakti, where their entire air force is mobilized and put through maximum sortie rates.Z-10 and J-10 crash just days after they flew in 70th anniversary parade.
[New Tang Dynasty, Beijing time, October 25, 2019] The Chinese Air Force frequently broke the plane and killed the people. The official confirmed that Gong Dachuan, a pilot of the Communist Army, died on October 11 during the training mission. According to some sources, Gong Dachuan participated in the "Eleventh" military parade when he was alive. He was driving a helicopter gunship.
On October 23, Beijing time, the Henan Xintian official confirmed that the 33-year-old Gong Dachuan was a former military officer, a major rank, and a captain of the captain. The official did not inform the type of military aircraft that Gong Dachuan was driving, but some sources said that the plane he was driving was crashed into the mountain.
Earlier, there were overseas Chinese media reports that a helicopter crashed in the military airstrike recently, killing three soldiers. According to the source, Gong Dachuan participated in the military parade held in Beijing on October 1st, when he drove a 70-pattern. According to public information, it was the Zhi-10 and Zhi-19 helicopters that participated in the military parade at that time.
As of now, the CCP official has not announced the public information of two other death pilots. However, photos show that in addition to Gong Dachuan, the other two death pilots are named Wen Weibin and Luo Wei. One of them may be from Guilin, Guangxi. On October 23, the body of Gong Dachuan was sent back to Xinye, and the official held a memorial service for him.
According to some sources, the CCP’s “Eleventh” military parade, which was costly at all costs, also reported two crashes during the preparatory process, causing several casualties.
According to the China Human Rights and Democracy Information Center, in September, an accident occurred in a military helicopter that participated in the "Eleventh" military parade in Hebei.
The news also said that two military helicopter crashes occurred around the "Eleventh" military parade or security, and seven soldiers died, including two colonels and a lieutenant colonel. One of the colonel Cha Xianwei participated in the military parade many times. It was originally one of the most important figures in the military parade formation on October 1st.
Subsequently, it was reported that Cha Yingwei, a special pilot of the Army’s Army Air Force, drove a direct-10 armed helicopter on May 17 and died unexpectedly.
Since the beginning of this year, there have been frequent crashes in the army, resulting in the death of several pilots. On May 31, it was suspected that the Tianjin Yuxian-10A fighter plane crashed, but the official has not confirmed it yet.
On May 18, a CCP-JN-7A fighter-bomber crashed in Gaocun Town, Weihai, Shandong Province. The two pilots were unaccounted for. At that time, a surveillance video circulating on the mainland network showed that an aircraft crashed from the vertical vertical at 7:00 on the morning of the 18th. The huge fireball vacated and the scene was very fierce.
On May 13, the Mi-17 series helicopters driven by the "921721" unit of the Army's Army Air Force crashed over the Qinling Mountains, killing six people. According to the China Human Rights and Democracy Information Center, the accident was a special training flight test for the security on October 1. The special training flight was arranged in the high mountains of the Qinling Mountains.
On March 12, the Chinese military confirmed that a naval air fighter had crashed during flight training in Ledong County, Hainan, and two pilots died. There is news that the crashed military aircraft is the CCP’s “歼轰-7A”.
It is said that the aircraft is a "widow maker" fighter, and its ejection system has big problems. In the past, 12 aircraft have been crashed and at least 17 pilots have been killed.
(Reporter Luo Tingting Report / Editor: Dai Ming)
http://cn.ntdtv.com/gb/2019/10/25/a102693191.html
Engine flaws and a lack of training have been identified as the likely causes of two accidents that hit the Chinese air force in the space of little over a week – one of which claimed the lives of three airmen.
Deaths from the crashes, which happened within a span of 10 days, included a helicopter pilot who took part in the National Day grand parade at the start of the month.
A number of military sources said that as the air force stepped up its exercises – part of President Xi Jinping’s call to strengthen the “combat readiness” of the military – more accidents would happen as increased drills exposed technical problems and inadequate training.
“[If these problems are not resolved], it is foreseeable that more accidents will happen because the top brass is pushing for more drills and exercises across the military,” said one source close to the air force.
Local television reports named pilot Gong Dachuan, 33, and 37-year-old engineer Wen Weibin, as two of this killed in the crash. The third victim was later named as Luo Wei, from Luzhou in Sichuan, by an online mourning website.
A memorial for Gong was held by the local government in Xinye County last Tuesday.
“The three people were conducting some tests on the helicopter,” said a local source who declined to disclose where the crash happened and the nature of the test.
Xinye county government in Henan province held a memorial to honour the dead pilot. Photo: Handout
Media reports said that Gong had flown in this year’s National Day parade in Beijing, while Wen had been decorated for his participation in the 2015 parade in Beijing to mark the 70th anniversary of victory over Japan in World War II.
The three dead airmen have been designated as martyrs, the reports added.
The second accident happened eight days later on the Tibetan Plateau where a J-10 fighter jet on a low-altitude flying drill crashed into the mountain.
“Fortunately, the pilot ejected safely in time, but the J-10 crashed into the mountain,” said an informed source, who requested anonymity since no official announcement about the accident has been made.
“Preliminary investigations indicated that the accident had something to with the Russian-made AL-31 engine on board the J-10,” the source said.
Military analysts said the air force needs to improve the durability of its aircraft and training for pilots.
Hong Kong-based military expert Song Zhongping suggested that problems with engines and flight control systems were also key reasons behind some of the fatal crashes.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/fatal-crash-highlights-chinese-air-140155942.html
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They have been losing a dozen aircraft per year since 2017. They have probably always lost this many but it is harder and harder to hide it.
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PLAAF patrol of Sea of Japan becomes routine?
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I know the crash. But the Falun Gong fake media New Tang Dynasty is good at fabricating news(Thanks to American Democracy Fund and CIA). People should be mindful of that. Their reports are mostly trash.Z-10 and J-10 crash just days after they flew in 70th anniversary parade.
[New Tang Dynasty, Beijing time, October 25, 2019] The Chinese Air Force frequently broke the plane and killed the people. The official confirmed that Gong Dachuan, a pilot of the Communist Army, died on October 11 during the training mission. According to some sources, Gong Dachuan participated in the "Eleventh" military parade when he was alive. He was driving a helicopter gunship.
On October 23, Beijing time, the Henan Xintian official confirmed that the 33-year-old Gong Dachuan was a former military officer, a major rank, and a captain of the captain. The official did not inform the type of military aircraft that Gong Dachuan was driving, but some sources said that the plane he was driving was crashed into the mountain.
Earlier, there were overseas Chinese media reports that a helicopter crashed in the military airstrike recently, killing three soldiers. According to the source, Gong Dachuan participated in the military parade held in Beijing on October 1st, when he drove a 70-pattern. According to public information, it was the Zhi-10 and Zhi-19 helicopters that participated in the military parade at that time.
As of now, the CCP official has not announced the public information of two other death pilots. However, photos show that in addition to Gong Dachuan, the other two death pilots are named Wen Weibin and Luo Wei. One of them may be from Guilin, Guangxi. On October 23, the body of Gong Dachuan was sent back to Xinye, and the official held a memorial service for him.
According to some sources, the CCP’s “Eleventh” military parade, which was costly at all costs, also reported two crashes during the preparatory process, causing several casualties.
According to the China Human Rights and Democracy Information Center, in September, an accident occurred in a military helicopter that participated in the "Eleventh" military parade in Hebei.
The news also said that two military helicopter crashes occurred around the "Eleventh" military parade or security, and seven soldiers died, including two colonels and a lieutenant colonel. One of the colonel Cha Xianwei participated in the military parade many times. It was originally one of the most important figures in the military parade formation on October 1st.
Subsequently, it was reported that Cha Yingwei, a special pilot of the Army’s Army Air Force, drove a direct-10 armed helicopter on May 17 and died unexpectedly.
Since the beginning of this year, there have been frequent crashes in the army, resulting in the death of several pilots. On May 31, it was suspected that the Tianjin Yuxian-10A fighter plane crashed, but the official has not confirmed it yet.
On May 18, a CCP-JN-7A fighter-bomber crashed in Gaocun Town, Weihai, Shandong Province. The two pilots were unaccounted for. At that time, a surveillance video circulating on the mainland network showed that an aircraft crashed from the vertical vertical at 7:00 on the morning of the 18th. The huge fireball vacated and the scene was very fierce.
On May 13, the Mi-17 series helicopters driven by the "921721" unit of the Army's Army Air Force crashed over the Qinling Mountains, killing six people. According to the China Human Rights and Democracy Information Center, the accident was a special training flight test for the security on October 1. The special training flight was arranged in the high mountains of the Qinling Mountains.
On March 12, the Chinese military confirmed that a naval air fighter had crashed during flight training in Ledong County, Hainan, and two pilots died. There is news that the crashed military aircraft is the CCP’s “歼轰-7A”.
It is said that the aircraft is a "widow maker" fighter, and its ejection system has big problems. In the past, 12 aircraft have been crashed and at least 17 pilots have been killed.
(Reporter Luo Tingting Report / Editor: Dai Ming)
http://cn.ntdtv.com/gb/2019/10/25/a102693191.html
Engine flaws and a lack of training have been identified as the likely causes of two accidents that hit the Chinese air force in the space of little over a week – one of which claimed the lives of three airmen.
Deaths from the crashes, which happened within a span of 10 days, included a helicopter pilot who took part in the National Day grand parade at the start of the month.
A number of military sources said that as the air force stepped up its exercises – part of President Xi Jinping’s call to strengthen the “combat readiness” of the military – more accidents would happen as increased drills exposed technical problems and inadequate training.
“[If these problems are not resolved], it is foreseeable that more accidents will happen because the top brass is pushing for more drills and exercises across the military,” said one source close to the air force.
Local television reports named pilot Gong Dachuan, 33, and 37-year-old engineer Wen Weibin, as two of this killed in the crash. The third victim was later named as Luo Wei, from Luzhou in Sichuan, by an online mourning website.
A memorial for Gong was held by the local government in Xinye County last Tuesday.
“The three people were conducting some tests on the helicopter,” said a local source who declined to disclose where the crash happened and the nature of the test.
Xinye county government in Henan province held a memorial to honour the dead pilot. Photo: Handout
Media reports said that Gong had flown in this year’s National Day parade in Beijing, while Wen had been decorated for his participation in the 2015 parade in Beijing to mark the 70th anniversary of victory over Japan in World War II.
The three dead airmen have been designated as martyrs, the reports added.
The second accident happened eight days later on the Tibetan Plateau where a J-10 fighter jet on a low-altitude flying drill crashed into the mountain.
“Fortunately, the pilot ejected safely in time, but the J-10 crashed into the mountain,” said an informed source, who requested anonymity since no official announcement about the accident has been made.
“Preliminary investigations indicated that the accident had something to with the Russian-made AL-31 engine on board the J-10,” the source said.
Military analysts said the air force needs to improve the durability of its aircraft and training for pilots.
Hong Kong-based military expert Song Zhongping suggested that problems with engines and flight control systems were also key reasons behind some of the fatal crashes.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/fatal-crash-highlights-chinese-air-140155942.html
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Why does it matter?.. Does a media report or crash incite enough doubt in chinese people over their own products?
If not, then it doesn't really matter what anybody says..
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It's a friendly reminder. “The National Endowment for Democracy” supports Falun Gong and their press New Tang Dynasty , which constantly makes fake news. It's not a normal news media. the crash was covered by other normal Chinese media. I can sense something fishy from Falun Gong's report.
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Everything that makes China look bad is fake news... got it.
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Chinese nuclear sub in ‘embarrassing’ South China Sea incident
An enormous nuclear submarine has mysteriously surfaced in the disputed South China Sea in what experts have described as a ‘highly unusual event’.
An enormous nuclear missile submarine has mysteriously surfaced among Vietnamese fishing boats in the South China Sea as Beijing knuckles down on its territorial grab.
According to international submarine warfare analyst H.I. Sutton, the Chinese 11,000-ton Type 094 Jin Class submarine suddenly emerged from the deep among a fishing fleet operating off the Paracel Islands.
It’s a highly unusual event.
Was it a deliberate act of intimidation? Or an accident embarrassingly seen by competitors?
The single purpose of ballistic-missile carrying, nuclear-powered submarine such as the Jin Class is to remain underwater for months on end. To remain unseen. To be enough of a menace to deter any surprise attack.
Mr Sutton says using such a submarine to “send a message” to Vietnam goes against all expectations.
“Surfacing next to another country's vessel is unusual and suggests that something has gone wrong,” he writes. “Something serious enough to warrant sacrificing its main asset: stealth.”
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/...t/news-story/650d17f451e27338e912f4b072cfcb02
An enormous nuclear submarine has mysteriously surfaced in the disputed South China Sea in what experts have described as a ‘highly unusual event’.
An enormous nuclear missile submarine has mysteriously surfaced among Vietnamese fishing boats in the South China Sea as Beijing knuckles down on its territorial grab.
According to international submarine warfare analyst H.I. Sutton, the Chinese 11,000-ton Type 094 Jin Class submarine suddenly emerged from the deep among a fishing fleet operating off the Paracel Islands.
It’s a highly unusual event.
Was it a deliberate act of intimidation? Or an accident embarrassingly seen by competitors?
The single purpose of ballistic-missile carrying, nuclear-powered submarine such as the Jin Class is to remain underwater for months on end. To remain unseen. To be enough of a menace to deter any surprise attack.
Mr Sutton says using such a submarine to “send a message” to Vietnam goes against all expectations.
“Surfacing next to another country's vessel is unusual and suggests that something has gone wrong,” he writes. “Something serious enough to warrant sacrificing its main asset: stealth.”
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/...t/news-story/650d17f451e27338e912f4b072cfcb02
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Chinese military equipment lack quality, say experts
Beijing [China], Nov 5 (ANI): China is making significant headway in terms of international arms sales, with the country having surged into fifth place globally and now trailing only the USA, Russia, France and Germany respectively. However, there are numerous signs that the quality of Chinese military products is lacking, with even US government officials weighing in on the topic.
Indeed, R. Clarke Cooper, Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs at the US State Department, lambasted Russian and Chinese arms sales in a speech before defence attaches and ambassadors in Washington DC on 31 October 2019.
China came in for the sternest rebuke, with Cooper asserting: "...Through a combination of cut-price systems such as unmanned aerial systems, predatory financing mechanisms and sometimes outright bribery, China is using arms transfers as a means of getting its foot in the door - a door that, once opened, China quickly exploits both to exert influence and to gather intelligence."
Cooper continued, warning, "To quote another Latin phrase - caveat emptor! - Buyer, beware. We have seen countries around the world leap at the chance to obtain high-tech, low-cost defensive capabilities, only to see their significant investments crumble and rust in their hands."
One of the most prominent examples in recent times comes from Jordan, which purchased six CH-4B unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAV) produced by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) in 2016. However, within just three years, the kingdom had put them up for disposal, with their sale advertised in June.
Shephard Media reported Royal Jordanian Air Force sources telling the UK-based defence publisher back in November 2018 that "it was not happy with the aircraft's performance and was looking to retire them". They were flown by the air force's No. 9 Squadron.
The CH-4B, which has an 18.5-meter wingspan and can carry 345kg of weapons on four hardpoints, resembles the MQ-1 Predator produced by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc (GA-ASI).
Other known users of the CH-4 UCAV are Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Iraq. Interestingly, the Iraqi Air Force is down to just one operational CH-4 out of an original fleet of ten.
This problem was revealed in a report by the US Inspector-General in August, which blamed maintenance issues for the literal decimation of the fleet that was being used to fight ISIS.
China has exported more than 30 CH-4s to date since its introduction to the market in 2014. Each aircraft is estimated to cost USD4 million, which is a fraction of what an American drone would cost. A Chinese research paper stated that the CH-4 worldwide had accumulated 10,000 flight hours and more than 1,000 sorties. It also claimed more than 400 missiles had been fired in combat with an accuracy level of 96%. Of course, this naturally raises questions as to how China knows so much about how foreign customers are using their aircraft.
However, one cannot point the finger solely at Chinese systems. The same US Inspector-General report cited ScanEagle tactical UAVs produced by Boeing Insitu as flying just two sorties from March-June 2019 because of a "combination of Iraqi training in the United States, a lapse in maintenance contracts and problems with signal interference".
The USA imposes far tighter restrictions and regulations when it comes to selling weapons such as UCAVs. This, plus price and politics, often makes China a more appealing source for military equipment for countries in the Middle East and Africa, for example.
US Assistant Secretary of Defense for Indo-Pacific Affairs Randall Schriver said in a recent Pentagon briefing: "It's potentially a tool for them to develop closer defence and military ties, particularly for future access. China is less disciplined, and so there's a proliferation risk as well to regimes that we would regard as not necessarily responsible."
The author asked the CEO of GA-ASI, the maker of the Reaper and Predator used by the USA, whether his company feared competition from China. Linden Blue replied, "I think they're a competitor in some countries...In Europe, it's not an issue, but in Asia-Pacific, they are a competitor," although this is only on a selective basis. He shared that smaller countries to which the US has not been paying a lot of attention and who face budget challenges may go for cheaper Chinese systems countries.
Nevertheless, he assessed that Chinese systems are "a little lower end at the moment. As far as we know, they're not really in the turboprop class yet. They've built some but they're not really competitive in that class yet and, in this [Asia-Pacific] region if you don't have a little bit of engine power to get around the weather in the wet season, you're kind of limiting yourself to not flying that much."
In contrast to problem-plagued Chinese UAVs, which is probably a reflection of the quality of militaries using them too, Blue pointed out that the "volume of operational experience is our strength," with GA-ASI currently supporting 60-70 air patrols simultaneously in locations around the world around the clock. "That's the infrastructure that we have in place that others will be building, but it will take them a couple of years, many years in some cases, to build that infrastructure."
Bad press has not stopped China finding new customers, however. Indonesia, for instance, was revealed as a new user of the CH-4B UCAV within the past few months.
According to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) data, China sold eight CH-4, 39 CH-3, 16 Wing Loong 1, five Wing Loong 2, two WJ-600 and 18 ASN-209 UAVs overseas from 2008-17.
UAVs have been a fast-growing area of sales for China, but the country has a wide range of products available. SIPRI released figures earlier this year covering arms sales for the five-year period from 2014-18. Chinese sales were up just 2.7% compared to the preceding five-year period, but 70% of its sales currently go to Asia and Oceania, 20% to Africa and 6.1% to the Middle East. In fact, Pakistan is the major recipient of Chinese weapons, accounting for 37% of all sales from 2014-18.
China sold weapons to 53 separate countries in 2014-18, compared to 41 nations in 2009-13, demonstrating that its appeal is widening. Of course, there are large numbers of countries, predominantly Western ones but also including non-aligned India and Vietnam, which will never buy from China for political reasons. SIPRI commented: "Nonetheless, improvements in Chinese military technology have opened up opportunities for arms export growth, including exports to new customers."
In his Washington DC speech, Cooper gave further examples of problematic Chinese-supplied equipment. "In Africa, Cameroon procured four Harbin Z-9 attack helicopters in 2015: one crashed shortly after being handed over. Kenya invested in Norinco VN4 armoured personnel carriers - vehicles that
China's own sales representative declined to sit inside during a test firing. But since going ahead with the purchase regardless, sadly dozens of Kenyan personnel have been reportedly killed in those vehicles..."
"Caveat emptor!" Cooper repeated.
ANI has regularly encountered Chinese manufacturers such as Norinco, AVIC, Poly Technologies and the China Shipbuilding industry Corporation (CSIC) at numerous defence exhibitions around Asia. Routinely the company representatives at these exhibitions are evasive and occasionally even downright dishonest. About 5-10 years ago there were often sales representatives on duty who could barely converse in English, but in the past five years or so Chinese companies have begun to up their marketing game.
Nonetheless, Chinese companies continue to carry a stigma for offering poor service to foreign militaries, and products that are not always reliable or that do not perform as advertised. Of course, the reason that draws many customers to China in the first place - price - cannot be underestimated either. Even though clients know that a Chinese helicopter, fighter or tank may not be as reliable as an American one, they can be sure it will certainly be much cheaper.
Furthermore, China will sell anyone anything with no questions asked. This is attractive to countries like Thailand, whose relationship with the USA ebbs and flows depending on when the last military coup occurred. Indeed, Thailand is turning into a major Chinese client after buying equipment such as an S26T submarine (one bought already with two more sought), HQ-12/KS-1 surface-to-air missiles, VT4 main battle tanks and VN1 8x8 infantry fighting vehicles. Beijing's apolitical and uncritical stance is very much appreciated by customers that have less than rosy human rights records, for example.
Cooper also mentioned the quality of training that China offers to developing nations, tearing shreds off Beijing there too. "Foreign trainees may be wooed by the offer of unit-scale training in China, but on arrival they are disappointed to find themselves not spread among the elite Chinese training academies, but are lumped together with forces from around the world of significantly varying quality in China's International Military Education Exchange Center - a facility whose lackadaisical approach to military education is well below standard China provides to its own officers."
In contrast, the American Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs argued that quality, transparency and accountability were the hallmarks of American support to his country's military partners and clients.
He noted that US defence industry "produces the best defensive equipment on the planet," and that arms sales are not shrouded in secrecy such as occurs in China, which opens the door to bribes and kickbacks. "Unlike the determinations made in Beijing or Moscow, our major foreign military and direct commercial sales are managed via a process whose policies are clear and transparent, and whose approvals are public."
US equipment does not come cheap, however, and political risk is attached. Pakistan found this out again to its cost when President Donald Trump banned the sale of Bell AH-1Z attack helicopters to Pakistan last year.
Cooper added, "It is true, if we scratch the surface of the offers laid out by our adversaries we find failed systems, flawed training, false bargains. And it is important countries around the world understand the risks of choosing to procure systems from China or from Russia. But while it is important that we lift the veil on our strategic competitors, it is more important that we make the case for why partnering with America is not just the better choice, but indeed the best choice."
Thus, there is an admission that self-interest is present. The above claims should be tempered by the fact that the USA would like to sell its defence products ahead of China and Russia in a competitive commercial world. After all, it does not want China to muscle in on the 36% share of global arms sales that it enjoyed from 2014-18. (ANI)
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Beijing [China], Nov 5 (ANI): China is making significant headway in terms of international arms sales, with the country having surged into fifth place globally and now trailing only the USA, Russia, France and Germany respectively. However, there are numerous signs that the quality of Chinese military products is lacking, with even US government officials weighing in on the topic.
Indeed, R. Clarke Cooper, Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs at the US State Department, lambasted Russian and Chinese arms sales in a speech before defence attaches and ambassadors in Washington DC on 31 October 2019.
China came in for the sternest rebuke, with Cooper asserting: "...Through a combination of cut-price systems such as unmanned aerial systems, predatory financing mechanisms and sometimes outright bribery, China is using arms transfers as a means of getting its foot in the door - a door that, once opened, China quickly exploits both to exert influence and to gather intelligence."
Cooper continued, warning, "To quote another Latin phrase - caveat emptor! - Buyer, beware. We have seen countries around the world leap at the chance to obtain high-tech, low-cost defensive capabilities, only to see their significant investments crumble and rust in their hands."
One of the most prominent examples in recent times comes from Jordan, which purchased six CH-4B unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAV) produced by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) in 2016. However, within just three years, the kingdom had put them up for disposal, with their sale advertised in June.
Shephard Media reported Royal Jordanian Air Force sources telling the UK-based defence publisher back in November 2018 that "it was not happy with the aircraft's performance and was looking to retire them". They were flown by the air force's No. 9 Squadron.
The CH-4B, which has an 18.5-meter wingspan and can carry 345kg of weapons on four hardpoints, resembles the MQ-1 Predator produced by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc (GA-ASI).
Other known users of the CH-4 UCAV are Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Iraq. Interestingly, the Iraqi Air Force is down to just one operational CH-4 out of an original fleet of ten.
This problem was revealed in a report by the US Inspector-General in August, which blamed maintenance issues for the literal decimation of the fleet that was being used to fight ISIS.
China has exported more than 30 CH-4s to date since its introduction to the market in 2014. Each aircraft is estimated to cost USD4 million, which is a fraction of what an American drone would cost. A Chinese research paper stated that the CH-4 worldwide had accumulated 10,000 flight hours and more than 1,000 sorties. It also claimed more than 400 missiles had been fired in combat with an accuracy level of 96%. Of course, this naturally raises questions as to how China knows so much about how foreign customers are using their aircraft.
However, one cannot point the finger solely at Chinese systems. The same US Inspector-General report cited ScanEagle tactical UAVs produced by Boeing Insitu as flying just two sorties from March-June 2019 because of a "combination of Iraqi training in the United States, a lapse in maintenance contracts and problems with signal interference".
The USA imposes far tighter restrictions and regulations when it comes to selling weapons such as UCAVs. This, plus price and politics, often makes China a more appealing source for military equipment for countries in the Middle East and Africa, for example.
US Assistant Secretary of Defense for Indo-Pacific Affairs Randall Schriver said in a recent Pentagon briefing: "It's potentially a tool for them to develop closer defence and military ties, particularly for future access. China is less disciplined, and so there's a proliferation risk as well to regimes that we would regard as not necessarily responsible."
The author asked the CEO of GA-ASI, the maker of the Reaper and Predator used by the USA, whether his company feared competition from China. Linden Blue replied, "I think they're a competitor in some countries...In Europe, it's not an issue, but in Asia-Pacific, they are a competitor," although this is only on a selective basis. He shared that smaller countries to which the US has not been paying a lot of attention and who face budget challenges may go for cheaper Chinese systems countries.
Nevertheless, he assessed that Chinese systems are "a little lower end at the moment. As far as we know, they're not really in the turboprop class yet. They've built some but they're not really competitive in that class yet and, in this [Asia-Pacific] region if you don't have a little bit of engine power to get around the weather in the wet season, you're kind of limiting yourself to not flying that much."
In contrast to problem-plagued Chinese UAVs, which is probably a reflection of the quality of militaries using them too, Blue pointed out that the "volume of operational experience is our strength," with GA-ASI currently supporting 60-70 air patrols simultaneously in locations around the world around the clock. "That's the infrastructure that we have in place that others will be building, but it will take them a couple of years, many years in some cases, to build that infrastructure."
Bad press has not stopped China finding new customers, however. Indonesia, for instance, was revealed as a new user of the CH-4B UCAV within the past few months.
According to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) data, China sold eight CH-4, 39 CH-3, 16 Wing Loong 1, five Wing Loong 2, two WJ-600 and 18 ASN-209 UAVs overseas from 2008-17.
UAVs have been a fast-growing area of sales for China, but the country has a wide range of products available. SIPRI released figures earlier this year covering arms sales for the five-year period from 2014-18. Chinese sales were up just 2.7% compared to the preceding five-year period, but 70% of its sales currently go to Asia and Oceania, 20% to Africa and 6.1% to the Middle East. In fact, Pakistan is the major recipient of Chinese weapons, accounting for 37% of all sales from 2014-18.
China sold weapons to 53 separate countries in 2014-18, compared to 41 nations in 2009-13, demonstrating that its appeal is widening. Of course, there are large numbers of countries, predominantly Western ones but also including non-aligned India and Vietnam, which will never buy from China for political reasons. SIPRI commented: "Nonetheless, improvements in Chinese military technology have opened up opportunities for arms export growth, including exports to new customers."
In his Washington DC speech, Cooper gave further examples of problematic Chinese-supplied equipment. "In Africa, Cameroon procured four Harbin Z-9 attack helicopters in 2015: one crashed shortly after being handed over. Kenya invested in Norinco VN4 armoured personnel carriers - vehicles that
China's own sales representative declined to sit inside during a test firing. But since going ahead with the purchase regardless, sadly dozens of Kenyan personnel have been reportedly killed in those vehicles...""Caveat emptor!" Cooper repeated.
ANI has regularly encountered Chinese manufacturers such as Norinco, AVIC, Poly Technologies and the China Shipbuilding industry Corporation (CSIC) at numerous defence exhibitions around Asia. Routinely the company representatives at these exhibitions are evasive and occasionally even downright dishonest. About 5-10 years ago there were often sales representatives on duty who could barely converse in English, but in the past five years or so Chinese companies have begun to up their marketing game.
Nonetheless, Chinese companies continue to carry a stigma for offering poor service to foreign militaries, and products that are not always reliable or that do not perform as advertised. Of course, the reason that draws many customers to China in the first place - price - cannot be underestimated either. Even though clients know that a Chinese helicopter, fighter or tank may not be as reliable as an American one, they can be sure it will certainly be much cheaper.
Furthermore, China will sell anyone anything with no questions asked. This is attractive to countries like Thailand, whose relationship with the USA ebbs and flows depending on when the last military coup occurred. Indeed, Thailand is turning into a major Chinese client after buying equipment such as an S26T submarine (one bought already with two more sought), HQ-12/KS-1 surface-to-air missiles, VT4 main battle tanks and VN1 8x8 infantry fighting vehicles. Beijing's apolitical and uncritical stance is very much appreciated by customers that have less than rosy human rights records, for example.
Cooper also mentioned the quality of training that China offers to developing nations, tearing shreds off Beijing there too. "Foreign trainees may be wooed by the offer of unit-scale training in China, but on arrival they are disappointed to find themselves not spread among the elite Chinese training academies, but are lumped together with forces from around the world of significantly varying quality in China's International Military Education Exchange Center - a facility whose lackadaisical approach to military education is well below standard China provides to its own officers."
In contrast, the American Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs argued that quality, transparency and accountability were the hallmarks of American support to his country's military partners and clients.
He noted that US defence industry "produces the best defensive equipment on the planet," and that arms sales are not shrouded in secrecy such as occurs in China, which opens the door to bribes and kickbacks. "Unlike the determinations made in Beijing or Moscow, our major foreign military and direct commercial sales are managed via a process whose policies are clear and transparent, and whose approvals are public."
US equipment does not come cheap, however, and political risk is attached. Pakistan found this out again to its cost when President Donald Trump banned the sale of Bell AH-1Z attack helicopters to Pakistan last year.
Cooper added, "It is true, if we scratch the surface of the offers laid out by our adversaries we find failed systems, flawed training, false bargains. And it is important countries around the world understand the risks of choosing to procure systems from China or from Russia. But while it is important that we lift the veil on our strategic competitors, it is more important that we make the case for why partnering with America is not just the better choice, but indeed the best choice."
Thus, there is an admission that self-interest is present. The above claims should be tempered by the fact that the USA would like to sell its defence products ahead of China and Russia in a competitive commercial world. After all, it does not want China to muscle in on the 36% share of global arms sales that it enjoyed from 2014-18. (ANI)
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Nov 5, 2019. update jiangnan shipyard. dredging work still going on.
significant increase in length comparing with two months ago.
significant increase in length comparing with two months ago.
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the 7th Type 071 LPD at Hudong shpyard is expected to be in commission soon. pennant number 986. name Jingtingshan(literal meaning: Mountain of Revered Pavilion).
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the 8th Type 071 LPD starts sea trial.
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Where'd you get that from? I heard no rumour on cjdby..
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maybe not. I heard no rumor neither. a guy who provides the above pics of 071 thinks so. he probably means soon not now. so the 8th 071 is starting sea trial.
