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More Photo of This System:










Note the date and its been discussed back in 2006,7 & 8 in different places..
 

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The above picture and the pic posted on by the thread starter are not the same thing.

The topic starter's pic is most likely the new IRBM developed by the 2nd Insistute of China Space research department

There are many news regarding this multi-purpose IRBM, official news mentioned this IRBM, with only minor modifications, can serves as either an 4500-km ranged IRMB, a 3000 km ranged Anti-Ship Ballastic Missile or a Chinese GBI for mid-course anti-ballastic missile warfare.

Judging by the size, the external hull of the missile slot is about 1.7-2 meter in diameter, which is considerably larger than DF-21, but considerably smaller than DF-31A.

The vehicle,which is likely to be a 12x12 one, is also much longer than DF-21's vehicle (10x10).

So imo it is most likely to be the so-called New Generation Mid-ranged multi-purpose quasi-ballastic missile, maybe named as DF-25, DF-26 or DF-27.
 

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The prime movers (trucks) on which these missiles are mounted, are actually TEL (Transporter-Erector-Launcher Complex), and are mainly made by MAZ or MZKT, and sometimes by Almaz Antey. MAZ or MZKT are currently in Belarus, and mind you, PRC is heavily engaging them. I have more reasons to believe their TEL is a ripoff of the MZKT TEL used by the Russians.
 

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The above picture and the pic posted on by the thread starter are not the same thing.



The topic starter's pic is most likely the new IRBM developed by the 2nd Insistute of China Space research department
Judging py both Pics and date taken, I assume its the same system for now, As there been development since then

Besides there is no other Vehicle like this seen before in any Public carrying such Missle..



If there is doubt its not, Please provide Link info in English or photos..
 

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I have more reasons to believe their TEL is a ripoff of the MZKT TEL used by the Russians.
It is a rip off, Note the Chinese have 3 wheels together at front, Where as Russian have 2 wheels together at front..



Besides the front is not at all like Russian looking MZKT..
 

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It is a rip off, Note the Chinese have 3 wheels together at front, Where as Russian have 2 wheels together at front..



Besides the front is not at all like Russian looking MZKT..
MZKT is not Russian. It is Belarussian.

You are right about the shape and the wheels. The front windows are slightly different (inside angle). Probably a ripoff, not the original MZKT.
 

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Its better than no carrier

China will need 4 to 5 years before a full fleet of aircraft actually sits on the Shenyang and it starts a patrol outside of the SCS. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a dolt. China will further need 6 to 10 more years to learn, simulate, practice protocols of operating a carrier fleet. In the meantime, do you even have a second carrier as work in progress?
From past observation, the Chinese may take four to five years to get their carrier airwings, the deck crew (training) and task group (organisation) going. However, they may also take less than that; given the on-land facilities the PLAN had prepared in recent years. Personally I don't think they'll send their carrier outside the South China Sea anytime soon. On friendly port visits maybe, but that too is probably not going happen anytime soon; in four or five years time that is. For what little information there is out there (on the internet), it doesn't appears that a second carrier is work in progress. Perhaps they are just not in a hurry? After all, do they have some urgent need for a second carrier in the near future?


By then guess what? India would be happily sailing around with three STOBAR/CATOBAR carriers and probably 3 more in stages of close to commissioning / under construction / trials.
Getting three STOBAR and/or CATOBAR carriers operational in four to five years time is not possible for the Indian Navy. Getting another three more in stages close to commissioning or trial or even under construction is going to be even more difficult. Indian shipyards had not display the kind of efficiency needed to meet that kind of dateline(s). As an example, the INS Shivalik was laid 11 July 2001, and was only commissioned on 29 April 2010 (hope the dates from Wikipedia are correct). An aircraft carrier will be a much bigger challenge in many aspects. Well, hopefully the lessons learn previously goes someway to assist in the construction of the INS Vikrant, but I am not holding my breath; hope no one here are neither.

One last point...

Aircraft carriers don't just need money to build them they also need money to operate them. As a taxpayer, wouldn't you be outraged if so much of your taxes goes into military spending? I know I am, here in Australia; wished the government wouldn't bothered buying those two Canberra Class LHDs.
 

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Its better than no carrier

China will need 4 to 5 years before a full fleet of aircraft actually sits on the Shenyang and it starts a patrol outside of the SCS. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a dolt. China will further need 6 to 10 more years to learn, simulate, practice protocols of operating a carrier fleet. In the meantime, do you even have a second carrier as work in progress?

By then guess what? India would be happily sailing around with three STOBAR/CATOBAR carriers and probably 3 more in stages of close to commissioning / under construction / trials.

India certainly has more experience with respect to carrier operations. But That edge is marginal at best compared to the vast experience a true carrier power like US has. As J20 points out, operating STOVL aircrafts like the Harrier on a small aircraft carrier is more akin to operating helicopters than to operating conventional sea-bourne jets like F18 on a super carrier. Once the Gorshkov arrives, India pretty much has to start the learning curve all over again. Countries like Argentina or Brazil probably have far more experience with carrier operations than India does, and both are friendly nations to China and can be counted on to provide advices if needed.

Also the often-mentioned 3 carrier scenario for India is nothing but wishful thinking. Your existing 50 year old carrier is due to retirement any time soon. Gorshkov is about 1-2 years behind the Varyag in terms of progress, and your indigenous carrier which currently is nothing more than an empty hull, is not going to sail the ocean any time soon either. As I pointed out countless times here already, it takes India at least 10 years to complete a medium sized surface warship, how long it would take India to complete a carrier which is 10 times more complex, is anyone's guess.

Various sources indicate that China too is building all-new carriers at Shanghai which alone has 10 times more shipbuilding capability than all the yards in India combined. Because of more advanced building techniques, when a chinese shipyard builds a warship, it usually takes just from a few months to no more than a year from the ships's first appearance to the launch which usually occurs with all the superstructure already in place. And unlike in India where warships routinely sit in muddy waters 7-8 years as the fitting process drags on, the same process usually takes no more than a year in China. I wouldn't be surprised if China's next carrier sails the ocean earlier than any of India's counterparts.
 

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Various signs indicate China is building a brand new AC. If that is true, Varyag is aslo playing the role as a decoy to distract people from the indigenous AC project.

Can't wait to see what kind of impact the Chinese indigenous AC will bring to the world when it is unveiled.
 

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MZKT is not Russian. It is Belarussian.

You are right about the shape and the wheels. The front windows are slightly different (inside angle). Probably a ripoff, not the original MZKT.






China do produce such vehicles, Here a example of a smaller version..
 

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PLA Makes Big Investments In Artillery

PLA Makes Big Investments In Artillery

The International Institute for Strategic Studies' Military Balance 2010 report places China third in the number of artillery systems it fields, after Russia and North Korea. But China doubtless exceeds both in resource commitment and breadth of artillery investments. Credited with an estimated 17,700-plus towed, self-propelled and rocket systems, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) has at least 56 artillery systems in use, development or available for export. The U.S. Army and Marine Corps, by contrast, have 8,137-plus artillery pieces of roughly 10 types.

China has had a mixed record of using artillery for military and political-military goals. Its successes, as when it routed Indian forces in 1962 with the high-altitude use of artillery and mortars, have been offset by incidents provoking third-party responses or leading to regional standoffs. Examples include the shelling of islands controlled by Taiwan in 1955-58, resulting in U.S. intervention and a stalemate over the Taiwan Strait. In July, a unit based in the Nanjing military region fired missiles from 300-mm. PHL-03 multiple rocket launchers (MRLs) into the Yellow Sea to show China's anger at U.S. naval exercises with South Korea. The exercises, a result of China-backed North Korea's sinking of the South Korean frigate Cheonon in March, went ahead anyway.

China's evolution as an artillery power stems from Soviet and Russian influences dating to the Korean War. Soviet artillery and training improved PLA artillery operations during the war and led to the formation of the first formal artillery command. Soviet aid continued through the 1950s, and by the time of the Sino-Soviet split of the 1960s, China was producing copies or modified versions of Soviet pieces.

The PLA makes extensive use of Soviet-origin 152-, 130- and 122-mm. calibers, though Western calibers such as the 155- and 105-mm. are seeing greater use.China purchased the Russian 9A52 Smerch 300-mm. MRL in the 1990s, and the PLA produced a near facsimile in the A-100/PHL-03 MRL. The 155-mm. PLZ-05 self-propelled artillery system that emerged in 2005 bears an uncanny resemblance to the Russian 2S19 MSTA.

In the 1990s, PLA artillery was affected by reforms in strategy (its closest concept to doctrine) and organization. Toward the end of the decade, the PLA was immersed in strategy goals of "informatization" and "mechanization." The former included the broad application of improving information technologies, which for artillery included new computer-based fire controls and ever-improving digital communication and command linkages. PLA artillery units increasingly include fire-finding counter-battery radar such as the 50-km.-range (31-mi.) SLC-2 and Type 704, and use sophisticated electronic warfare systems such as the Russian SPR-2 radio fuse jammer, a possible Chinese facsimile and possibly a recently revealed artillery radar jammer. Artillery recon vehicles and recon troops feature advanced optronic and digital communication capabilities. In addition, PLA artillery units have sophisticated meteorological capabilities and use muzzle velocity radar to improve accuracy.

Mechanization put renewed emphasis on developing tracked and wheeled self-propelled tubed artillery, with rocket artillery largely truck-mounted. This trend was emphasized in late 2004 when Chinese Communist Party and PLA leader Hu Jintao enunciated the PLA's new "historic missions," a euphemism for invasions, which call on the PLA to defend state interests abroad. It is likely that new medium-weight artillery systems based on airmobile armored personnel carriers will follow for these strategic missions.

Organic PLA artillery units have decreased in size, following the pattern of general large-scale troop reductions. When combined with "informatization" advances, this will permit many infantry and armored divisions to be reformed into mechanized brigades. However, in a counter-trend that emphasizes their continued importance, the PLA maintains five independent artillery divisions and 20 independent brigades. Of these, two divisions and six brigades are stationed in the Shenyang and Beijing military regions, for potential Korean contingencies. Three divisions and eight brigades are in the Nanjing, Guangzhou and Jinan military regions, for Taiwan contingencies.

Among artillery systems, mortars include a 60-mm. hand-held system used by infantry and special forces. The new Type 93 60-mm. fixed mortar weighs 22.4 kg. (49.2 lb.) and fires 20 rounds/min. to 5.5 km. There are also fixed W91 and W87 81-mm. mortars that fire to 8 km. and 5.6 km., respectively. The PLA has largely copied Russia's Vasiliyek 81-mm. automatic mortar, called the W99 or SM-4, which comes in a towed version or mounted in a Hummer-like vehicle. It fires four rounds in 2 sec. out to 6.2 km. The W86 120-mm. towed mortar weighs 206 kg. and fires 20 rounds/min. to 4.7 km.

In 2001, the PLA revealed the PLL-05 mobile mortar, based on the Russian 120-mm. 2S23 NONA-SVK that it purchased in the 1990s, but mounted on a WZ-551 6 X 6 armored personnel carrier (APC). It fires a rocket-assisted round 13.5 km. In 2007, the PLA revealed a laser-guided 120-mm. mortar round, though it is not clear if it is in service.

Towed and self-propelled tubed systems dominate artillery units. The largest number of towed guns are likely the 122-mm. versions. These include the Type-96, based on the Russian D-30, with a 360-deg. traversing base, and the simpler Type-83. Their rocket-assisted rounds have a 27-km. range. The Type"‘59 130-mm. towed gun fires a rocket-assisted round 44 km. Of heavy towed artillery, the 152-mm. Type-66, a copy of the Russian D-20, is most numerous and fires rocket-assisted rounds 28 km. In 1999, the PLA revealed the 155"‘mm. PLL01/WA 021 towed artillery system, based on the Austrian Noricum GH N-45, which fires a rocket-assisted round 50 km. The PLL01 and the Type"‘66 fire 155- and 152-mm. versions of the Russian Krasnopol laser-guided shell.

Self-propelled tubed artillery includes the PLL02, which places the Type-86 100"‘mm. gun on a WZ-551 APC. In 2009, the PLA revealed the new Type-07 122-mm. tracked artillery system, which features hull and electronic improvements over the previous Type-89 tracked 122-mm. system. In 2009, photographs appeared on the Internet of the SH-3, a truck-mounted 122-mm. artillery system with digital control systems in a hatch over the cab.

Heavy self-propelled systems include the 155-mm. PLZ-05, which has a version of the PLL01 gun, and appeared in 2005. It is replacing the 152-mm. Type"‘83, which entered service in 1983. The PLZ-05 also fires the Krasnopol laser-guided projectile and a rocket-assisted round 50 km., and is capable of flat-trajectory antitank fire. Unconfirmed reports state the PLZ-05 has an automatic gun-loading system and weighs 35 tons.

PLA investments in rocket artillery are impressive. A five-wheel all-terrain vehicle has been modified to carry a 107"‘mm. MRL for experimental mechanized special forces units. The tracked Type-89 and more recent Type-90 truck-mounted 122-mm. MRL feature self-contained 40-round rocket reloaders. In addition, the Smerch-derived 12-round PHL-03, which reportedly fires a 150-km.-range missile, is entering increasing numbers of artillery units. The latest AR1A export variant features a modular U.S. MLR system-style 5-round rocket carrier, which speeds reloading. In 2009, Norinco revealed an as yet unidentified truck carrier for this 5-round rocket box, similar to Lockheed Martin's High-Mobility Artillery Rocket System.

The PLA is also investing in larger MRL systems. The 400-mm. WS-2D reportedly has a range of 400 km., and one payload features three "killer unmanned aerial vehicles," according to a Chinese report. An earlier 200-km.-range version, the WS-3, uses navigation satellite guidance to achieve a remarkable 50-meter (164-ft.) circular error probable. The WS family complements the 150-km.-range P-12 and 250-km. B-611M maneuverable navsat-guided short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs), which could supplement or replace the PLA's two brigades of 300"‘600-km. DF-11A SRBMs.

New artillery systems are entering amphibious and airborne units for possible missions abroad. PLA marine and army amphibious units are receiving the Type"‘07B tracked 122-mm. amphibious artillery system, which places the gun from the Type-07 on a larger hull. Airborne units are equipped with a version of the Type-96 122-mm. gun, but a new tracked airmobile APC may feature a mortar or gun system. The ZBD-09 122"‘mm. gun system could eventually feature in airmobile army units. Future artillery systems may feature electromagnetic launch, an area of extensive research. The PLA is also interested in ramjet-powered and stealth-coated artillery shells.

Fisher is a senior fellow with the International Assessment and Strategy Center of Alexandria, Va.


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The linked article had no photos, so I have tried to find them. Please advise of any errors.
 

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