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Azaad

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Actually i don't quite care about it, 2008 financial crisis were far more serious than recent situation, and China managed well too.

There were 8% growth one or two times during last 2 decades in India. But each time it dropped quickly, the latest year was 2019.

There is an analysis from our India study group, it says the current India is somewhere like 2000 to 2004 of China. But at that time, when i finished my degree and started to work, experienced 8% to 12% growth lasted 10 yrs till 2012 i if remember correctly.


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China took off from 2000 because Deng Xiaopimg made all key reforms for the whole society. I admire Modi is most and only capable leader after 1947, but except GST, he didn't make any revolutionary reform, maybe not his fault, but ur current system.

I think the other points were explained in this bloomberg/Morgan Stanley article.


I have the Chinese version of subscription, if u r in USA, will be appreciate that u spend some coffee money to buy this article and post here.
First of all we're deeply touched by Han concern about Indian GDP. Let me ask you to forget India managing 10-12% GDP growth & in turn ask you why is it China's not managing a 10-12% growth in GDP given it did so for a good 10-12 years by your own admission whereas I can't recall India posting double digit GDP growth ever .
 

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Why didn't their "greed" worked for India?

Why just China? You had just as many people ;)

And greed? Seriously, do you understand capitalism or are you a socialist? A social justice warrior who is concerned about non-tangible metrics that cannot be measured by money?

ALL great companies work on the basis of profits which is "greed", you silly Commie.

MNCs cannot become MNCs if they are not greedy and cannot manage risks :)

In the business world, all good things result in a lot of money and all bad things end up with little or no money. That is the way of the market.

If India were more "trustworthy" or more virtuous than China then it should have ended up with more investment and trade. We know that is untrue by a very large margin :)

On the US and China -- the US government needs to sanction China to keep American and other Western companies from setting up shop there. If China were untrustworthy, US companies would not need a ban. They would simply avoided China.

The truth is without sanctions, the US knew that the investments and trade with China would continue to grow so thet needed to ban and create propaganda to keep companies out of China :)

But China still gets investment despite the trade war. Tesla exports to EU from its Shanghai plant not from some place in India ;)
China better than India ? what a joke.

CCP is crap communists? what a joke when communists look for profits they are called national socialism

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Right-wingers love to insist that members of Adolf Hitler’s party were socialists. But Nazism’s real economic policies upheld hypercapitalist principles rooted in social Darwinist ideas about the value of human life. They weren’t socialists at all.

 

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Its easier said than done when you have such an unconscious majority native population, Modiji inspite of all his perceived downsides such as not enforcing laws in WB or reacting strongly in Manipur or Punjab and so on did transform the majority of Hindu vote into a more consolidated block. I am hoping they have a strategy that will make this block not only expand into other states and kill the regional divisive parties like AAP, DMK, TRS, YSCP and so on but also reform the Judiciary and so on....majority of BJP CM's are pathetic and same with MP's, they just don't make any difference in their states or constituencies....this needs to change too.

HDI and other aspects are bs, one just needs to be aware of their background, true history and some common sense.....rest all is useless to make a living difference....basic education structure in India does not suit Indian traditions or mindset nor reflects our rich civilizational pride and capabilities. Instead it tried to get its motivation from English or French revolution or Mughals or Boston Tea party lol....
I agree. It is about what works for Bharat. Right now I see us upgrading infrastructure but nothing revolutionary like “let’s become a world leader in robotics tech” kind of aspiration and forming a open source community to develop robots, applications etc. Need to see society go up a level in science and technology and invent new standards in tech, engineering, space, science etc. There is still ao much to do. Most world beating tech in America comes from universities and open source communities. If they can do it, we can too.
 

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I agree. It is about what works for Bharat. Right now I see us upgrading infrastructure but nothing revolutionary like “let’s become a world leader in robotics tech” kind of aspiration and forming a open source community to develop robots, applications etc. Need to see society go up a level in science and technology and invent new standards in tech, engineering, space, science etc. There is still ao much to do. Most world beating tech in America comes from universities and open source communities. If they can do it, we can too.
Chinese.companies still working for Indian infrastructure.

 

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Chinese.companies still working for Indian infrastructure.

It never ceases to amaze us how for a country which has firewalled YouTube , every Chinese out here is up to date with all information disseminated on this platform about India.

Then again why should it be a surprise if one is a Wumao & the channel cited here is an MSS funded one which as usual apart from indulging in propaganda 24x7 also reports half truths & indulges in falsehoods.

Here's what happened -

In 2019, the China Railway Rolling Stock Corporation (CRRC) secured a Rs 15.78 billion contract to deliver 216 metro coaches to BMRCL. Their failure to establish a manufacturing plant in India, as stipulated, led to an unfulfilled contract.

Since the Bangalore Metro Corporation had no choice given the worsening traffic situation & the enormous time re tendering would've taken plus the fact the Bangalore Metro was constructed as per the specs of the Chinese metro sets , the decision to get appropriate waivers & continue
with the Chinese OEM was taken .

In case you're wondering , the share of Chinese OEMs in metro sets has come down drastically from 2020 . Yes , it's the magic year where magical events like Galwan happened & the GoI took the decision to get rid of Chinese OEMs altogether. We in India thank the great helmsman 2.0 for this development else we'd still be importing & tolerating Han crooks like the CRRC .


 

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It never ceases to amaze us how for a country which has firewalled YouTube , every Chinese out here is up to date with all information disseminated on this platform about India.

Then again why should it be a surprise if one is a Wumao & the channel cited here is an MSS funded one which as usual apart from indulging in propaganda 24x7 also reports half truths & indulges in falsehoods.

Here's what happened -




Since the Bangalore Metro Corporation had no choice given the worsening traffic situation & the enormous time re tendering would've taken plus the fact the Bangalore Metro was constructed as per the specs of the Chinese metro sets , the decision to get appropriate waivers & continue
with the Chinese OEM was taken .

In case you're wondering , the share of Chinese OEMs in metro sets has come down drastically from 2020 . Yes , it's the magic year where magical events like Galwan happened & the GoI took the decision to get rid of Chinese OEMs altogether. We in India thank the great helmsman 2.0 for this development else we'd still be importing & tolerating Han crooks like the CRRC .


 

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Shipbuilders riding crest of global orders
By Zhong Nan (China Daily) 13:36, March 26, 2024
Multiple teams tasked with simultaneously constructing 14 ships, each with different functions, are busy at work at the docks owned by Jiangsu Yangzi Xinfu Shipbuilding Co Ltd, a shipyard based in Taizhou, East China's Jiangsu province.

The company receives large shipments of various commodities and industrial equipment daily, including marine steel, fasteners, electronic components and aluminum alloy.

However, most of the oil and chemical tankers, dual fuel-powered container ships and ore carriers built in the shipyards will not be delivered to domestic shipping and energy companies.

Instead, they will go to shipowners in Norway, Greece, Denmark and Singapore, who have placed orders with the shipyard's parent company — Yangzijiang Shipbuilding Group, a Jingjiang, Jiangsu province-based firm — over the past two years.

"About 77 percent of our orders are LNG (liquefied natural gas)-powered container ships, dual fuel-powered vessels and diesel-electric propulsion ships, with orders on hand already scheduled through 2027 and the latest delivery extending into 2028," said Liu Yinjun, assistant president of Jiangsu Yangzi Xinfu Shipbuilding.

At the company's training center, workers are receiving training in welding and bonding operations, preparing them technically for the construction of two 175,000-cubic-meter LNG carriers. These advanced vessels are top-tier assets in the global shipbuilding industry, historically dominated by South Korean shipbuilders, and often referred to as the pinnacles of excellence.

Highlighting that Chinese shipbuilders have continuously overcome technical challenges and secured international orders, Liu said only five companies in China are capable of building LNG carriers, and his firm is the only privately owned shipbuilding company among these.

Thanks to China's complete manufacturing clusters, strong upstream and downstream industries, as well as continued investment and resource allocation in the shipbuilding sector, the country's shipbuilding output reached 42.32 million deadweight tons in 2023, a year-on-year increase of 11.8 percent, data from the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology showed. The output accounted for 50.2 percent of the global total.

With improved global competitiveness, Chinese shipyards saw new orders surge 56.4 percent year-on-year to 71.2 million dwt last year, accounting for 66.6 percent of the global total.

Li Yanqing, secretary-general of the Beijing-based China Association of the National Shipbuilding Industry, or CANSI, said the country achieved a leading position in the global shipbuilding market by securing new orders for 14 out of 18 major ship types in 2023.

This not only solidified China's leading position in key segments, capturing more than 70 percent of the worldwide total for new bulk carrier and oil tanker orders, but also showcased the country's expertise in niche markets, as new orders for car carriers exceeded 80 percent of the global share.

Anticipating a significant surge in profitability for China's shipbuilding industry in 2024, Li said that with market prices in 2023 having risen by over 10 percent compared to the previous year, and reaching as high as 15 percent in many instances, there is strong reason to believe that the industry is poised to touch unprecedented levels of financial success in the years ahead.

With the second large cruise ship being built locally at China State Shipbuilding Corp's Shanghai Waigaoqiao Shipbuilding Co Ltd in Shanghai, and a large number of vessels being assembled in the Yangtze and Pearl River Delta regions, the next two years will be a peak period for Chinese shipbuilding firms, marked by the delivery of various vessels, notably high-tech ones such as large LNG carriers and mega container ships, said Zeng Ji, a professor of shipbuilding at Shanghai Maritime University.

In addition to holding orders to build 13 LNG carriers for different shipowners, including eight ordered by China Merchants Energy Shipping Co Ltd, Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Co Ltd said earlier this year that it had sealed a number of new ship deals, with the total order value amounting to around 15 billion yuan ($2.08 billion). Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Co Ltd is a subsidiary of state-owned CSSC, and is based in Dalian, Northeast China's Liaoning province.

The proportion of these high-tech, high value-added projects in the backlog of orders has significantly increased. It will have a fairly positive impact on the overall profitability of the shipyard, forming a new growth point, said Fu Wei, deputy director at the marketing department of Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Co Ltd.

CANSI has forecast that the global shipbuilding completion volume will remain at a historically high level of 100 million dwt in 2024, with new orders expected to be between 80 million and 100 million dwt and the volume of orders on hand remaining above 200 million dwt.

China's shipbuilding completion volume is expected to be around 45 million dwt, with new orders of around 55 million dwt this year, and orders on hand above 130 million dwt, according to CANSI.


Confronting headwinds

The United Steelworkers, an industrial union with 1.2 million members in North America, led a coalition of labor organizations to file a Section 301 petition in mid-March, urging the United States Trade Representative to start an investigation into China's commercial shipbuilding industry. The petition alleges that China's practices in this sector are "unreasonable and discriminatory", ultimately leading to their significant influence in the global shipbuilding market.

Following submission, the US government has 45 days to decide on whether to initiate an investigation in response.

Speaking at a news conference earlier this month, He Yadong, spokesman for China's Ministry of Commerce, dismissed the accusations leveled by certain US organizations against China as "entirely baseless", and stressed that China will closely follow how it proceeds, and take necessary measures to ensure its businesses' legitimate rights.

The commerce ministry official emphasized that numerous reports have highlighted that the decline of the US shipbuilding industry primarily stems from excessive protectionism. Conversely, the growth of the Chinese shipbuilding sector has been driven by advancements in technology, emphasizing high-end, intelligent and environmentally sustainable growth.

Cao Lin, a senior analyst at Beijing-based Chinese Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers, said even if shipowners do not place orders with Chinese shipyards, it is unlikely they would turn to US shipyards.

"This is because the US has been unable to effectively address a number of constraints in its shipbuilding industry for a considerable length of time, such as the development and testing of designs, the related supply chain, industrial workers and efficiency and profitability," said Cao. "From this perspective, the US shipbuilding industry is significantly behind even its European counterparts."

China's shipbuilding industry is increasingly embracing self-sufficiency, especially within its industrial and supply networks. This shift toward domestic production has significantly reduced both the time and cost associated with various projects, said Pan Helin, a researcher at Zhejiang University's International Business School in Haining, East China's Zhejiang province.

In the competitive market, the ability to deliver ships more quickly often results in more orders from shipowners, said Pan, adding that by sourcing materials locally, Chinese shipyards have not only fostered the expansion of their own industrial ecosystem, but have also seen an uptick in profitability. This strategy will continue to yield benefits for both shipyards and their international clients.

Boosted by these factors, shipyards in Jiangsu province exported 65.53 billion yuan worth of ships of various types in 2023. These included heavy-duty dredgers, wind turbine installation vessels and car carriers, marking a year-on-year increase of 37.1 percent and ranking first in export scale nationwide, statistics from Nanjing Customs showed.

According to a report released by Liaoning province-based Dalian Maritime University, the shipbuilding industry is characterized by its complexity, extensive supply chain and strong industrial connections, encompassing more than 50 diverse industries such as steel, nonferrous metals, machinery and electronics.
 

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China New Growth: Machine tool manufacturer's push for precision
(Xinhua) 09:55, March 20, 2024
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This photo taken on June 5, 2023 shows a workshop of Jiangxi JUST Numerical Control Technology Co., Ltd. in Nanchang, east China's Jiangxi Province.(Photo by Li Li/Xinhua)

NANCHANG, March 19 (Xinhua) -- It took Zhang Jun and his colleagues three months to solve the influence of temperature on machining accuracy, considered a "hard bone" in the machine tool industry.

While operating, the spindle of the machine tool generates a large amount of heat. Due to thermal expansion, the metal spindle stretches when it is heated, affecting the accuracy of the machined parts, said Zhang, chief of research and development (R&D) with Jiangxi JUST Numerical Control Technology Co., Ltd., a machine tool manufacturer in Nanchang, capital of east China's Jiangxi Province.

Machining accuracy is a key indicator for measuring the performance of machine tools. With 15 years of machine tools experience under his belt, Zhang knows the importance of component accuracy in high-grade, precision and advanced products.

Leveraging technology including position sensors and algorithms to measure the spindle's elongation, Zhang's team finally solved the problem.

"Compared with developed countries, China's machine tool industry is a relative newcomer. Domestically-produced machine tools are mainly mid-to-low-end, and we have to import most of the high-precision computer numerical control (CNC) machine tools," said Liu Hua, chairman of the company.

Realizing the necessity of developing high-precision CNC machine tools in China, in 2017, Liu led the company to develop a machine tool with one-micron accuracy, reaching the level of developed countries. In 2019, the more advanced one with 0.5-micron accuracy was developed.

At present, the company's machine tools have been used for high-precision component processing in aerospace, new energy vehicles and industrial robots, among others.

Among the machined components displayed in the company's exhibition hall, the thinnest one boasts an accuracy error not exceeding one percent of a hair's diameter.

"When we initially brought our high-performance machine tools to the market in 2017, the clients didn't trust our products," said Bai Yu, executive deputy general manager of the company.

Responding to the misgivings, the company set up an R&D application center in Dongguan, a manufacturing powerhouse in south China's Guangdong Province, to show the clients samples of the machined components.

"Our products have now gained the recognition of more and more clients," said Bai.

"We will continue to ramp up efforts in R&D and foster new quality productive forces, to meet the diversified needs of the high-end manufacturing industry," said Liu

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Huawei 5G Core Named "Leader" for the Sixth Consecutive Year by GlobalData, Gets Full Scores in All Dimensions for the First Time
Mar 05, 2024
[Shenzhen, China, March 5, 2024] In its latest edition of “5G Mobile Core: Competitive Landscape Assessment report,” GlobalData rated Huawei 5G Core as a "Leader" in the 5G mobile core network field for the sixth consecutive year. The authoritative consulting firm also awarded Huawei’s Core full scores in all dimensions for the first time. Since the inception of this report in 2018, Huawei is the only vendor to ever get perfect scores in all dimensions.
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Source: 5G Mobile Core: Competitive Landscape Assessment, by GlobalData
In the report, GlobalData highlights the unique competitive advantages of Huawei 5G Core products. By leveraging Cloud Native architecture, Huawei 5G Core converges full-range services across the 2G to 5G spectrum, marking an industry first. The solution also stands out with an innovative disaster recovery (DR) architecture for high reliability. And on top of this, Huawei provides professional integration and O&M services with extensive experience. All of the above capabilities have made Huawei 5G Core a market leader in terms of the in-depth and broad commercial use.
The report also highlights the value of calling and 5GtoB services as well as the Autonomous Driving Network (ADN) solution centered on Huawei 5G Core. In terms of calling, Huawei's industry-leading Single Voice Core (SVC) solution featuring full convergence can provide voice services for the 2G to 5G range, as well as VoIP and VoWiFi services. In addition, by continuously upgrading the intelligence and Data Channel (DC) based interaction capabilities, Huawei has been strengthening its innovative New Calling solution, so as to help operators revamp traditional voice services. The Huawei 5GtoB solution is helping to advance industrial digital transformation by providing various applications, including Mobile VPN, the Kite-like solution, and 5G LAN. On top of this, the Huawei ADN solution introduces cutting-edge technologies, such as digital twins, multi-modal O&M large models, and intent-driven technologies, to provide operators with O&M services featuring agile delivery, high reliability, and optimized experiences throughout the lifecycle of the core network, from network planning to construction, maintenance, and optimization.
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Source: 5G Mobile Core: Competitive Landscape Assessment, by GlobalData
The report further mentions that Huawei continuously dedicates more investment capital toward 5.5G Core, for which intelligence is also a key feature. The intelligence of 5.5G Core is manifested in services, networks, and O&M. To realize service intelligence, Multi-Modal Communications (MMC) capabilities have been developed to enable new services, such as real-time translation and real-time voice driven avatars. In terms of network intelligence, the Network Intelligence Enabler (NIE) is utilized for dynamic service experience assurance, facilitating closed-loop management of experiences and service monetization based on differentiated experiences. As for O&M intelligence, the Digital Assistant & Digital Expert (DAE) solution has been developed to reshape cloud-based O&M approaches, reducing O&M workloads and improving efficiencies.
The rapid ascent of 5.5G is making operators and equipment vendors pay more attention to the development and innovation of core networks. Recognizing this, Huawei will continue to promote the growth and commercialization of 5G and 5.5G core solutions, helping global operators fast-track the development of telecom services and unlock greater business success.
 

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Twitterati has just discovered what we knew for a fact out here for years courtesy in-house wumaos.
 

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(Bloomberg) -- China’s exports of electric vehicles to European Union countries dropped by nearly a fifth during the first two months of the year, according to official Chinese data, amid a probe by Brussels into unfair subsidies of the industry.


Just over 75,600 EVs shipped to the EU’s 27 member countries in January and February, Chinese customs data showed, down 19.6% from last year.


Recent rapid gains in imports from companies such as BYD Co. and SAIC Motor Corp.-owned MG Motors have triggered warnings from Western carmakers including Stellantis NV of a wave of new competitors at a tough time for the industry. In October, the European Commission launched a probe into whether Chinese government subsidies had given its manufacturers an unfair advantage.

Earlier this month, the EU said it’s moving closer to imposing additional tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles entering the bloc, citing what it called new proof that the government in Beijing is providing illegal financial support for the industry.

If the EU does impose duties, that would curtail a major market for Chinese EV exports, raising the prospect of similar moves in places like the UK to protect their markets being flooded by vehicles redirected from the EU.

Read More: EU Moves Toward Hitting China With Tariffs on Electric Vehicles

Analysts often combine January and February economic data related to China to allow for more accurate comparisons, because of the moving date of the lunar new year which impacts economic activity.

The decline in exports in the first two months this year “transcends a mere statistical anomaly, shedding light on the complex challenges China faces internationally,” said the China Chamber of Commerce to the EU, a business lobby group said in a report.

“Speculation revolves around whether the EU’s anti-subsidy investigation into China’s EVs has exerted a dissuasive effect or is subtly influencing the dynamics of import-export trade,” it added.

The rapid growth in Chinese EV exports to EU countries since 2021 is reflected in the Chinese customs data with most months showing strong year-on-year growth. But there have been year-on-year declines in some other recent months, such as August and November last year.

The European Commission said earlier this month it had found a substantial increase in imports of EVs from China after it announced the probe, citing European data showing a 14% on-year increase between October 2023 and January 2024.

China’s data show a fall in EV exports to EU countries of about 4% on-year over the same period. Different countries trade data often differ due multiple factors such as differences in times between shipping and arrival of goods.


 

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Neta, LK Technology to jointly develop 'world's largest' die-casting machine


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Dec 18, 2023 14:26 GMT+8

Neta and LK Technology will jointly develop a die-casting machine in the 20,000-ton class, which is expected to reduce the manufacturing time of vehicle chassis from 1-2 hours to 1-2 minutes.

(A large die-casting machine displayed on LK Technology's website.)
The arms race in China's electric vehicle (EV) industry is spilling over into large-scale die-casting machines.
Neta, a brand of Hozon Auto, announced today that it signed a strategic cooperation agreement with Hong Kong-listed integrated die-casting machine maker LK Technology on December 15 to jointly develop die-casting equipment in the 20,000-ton class.












The equipment will be the most powerful in the field globally, surpassing the 12,000-ton die-casting machine currently used by Xpeng (NYSE: XPEV), the 9,000-ton die-casting machine used by Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) and Aito, and the 7,200-ton die casting machine used by Zeekr, Neta said.
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With the help of this equipment, the integrated die-casting technology will be used for larger-sized parts, including B-class vehicle chassis, allowing a skateboard chassis to be made in 1-2 minutes, Neta said.

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Neta will also purchase several large die-casting machines from LK Technology and will form a joint venture to build a die-casting demonstration manufacturing base in Anhui province in eastern China.
Integrated die-casting equipment can integrate otherwise dispersed components, significantly reducing the number of parts in a vehicle and lowering manufacturing costs compared to traditional manufacturing methods, Neta's press release noted.

The technology can reduce the manufacturing time for a vehicle chassis from the traditional 1-2 hours to 1 to 2 minutes, and help reduce the weight and improve the comfort of the vehicle, Neta said.
Creating a 20,000-ton die-casting facility is significant in scaling down costs and will help the company achieve its goal of selling more than 1 million vehicles globally by 2026, Neta said.
Neta was founded in October 2014 and it launched its first model in November 2018, making it one of the first new car-making forces in China.
The company plans to enter more than 50 countries and regions by 2024 and aims to sell 100,000 units overseas next year, it said earlier this year.
Neta aims to transform itself into a global high-tech technology company by 2026 and reach 1 million sales in global markets, it said on October 30.

LK Technology is a major global manufacturer of die-casting machines with a market share of more than 50 percent in the Chinese mainland, according to the company.
Several Chinese EV makers have now introduced large die-casting machines, with Xpeng building the front and rear bodies of the X9 with one 7,000-ton die-casting machine and one 12,000-ton die-casting machine at its Guangzhou plant.
CnEVPost visited the plant earlier this month to see the two large die-casting machines and learned that Xpeng will start putting a new 16,000-ton die-casting machine into operation in mid-January.
 

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Chinese Self Aware Advanced Self Driving Technology. Intuitively logs into the central database of social credit system, to check if the jaywalker has sufficient credit score, to justify applying brakes. Sadly for this demo, the jaywalker didn't have a good score.
 

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