China Economy: News & Discussion

[Azaad]

China's beer production is falling.

China: beer production 2022 | Statista

In 2022, approximately 35.7 billion liters of beer were produced in China, increasing slightly from around 35.6 billion liters in 2021.

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it is down over 12 billion liters a year since 2012.


Truth is the Chinese (and people in other nations too) have become less interested in beer.

Chinese have also shown less interest in procreating plus the real estate market there is In the dumps which sort of postpones marriage & further jeopardizes the TFR in China.

All in all it's a wonderful time to be a Chinese national now . It'd get better by the end of the decade.

 

[rockdog]

Think of the miracles Chinese EVs can achieve there . Russia's overflowing with oil & you'd have sold them exclusively EV cars.

Actually, all exported automobiles, only 30% of then are EVs, the news agencies just try to blow up something new and attractive.

Sometimes i take Russia and ASEAN as our Canada & Mexico.

 

[Azaad]

Actually, all exported automobiles, only 30% of then are EVs, the news agencies just try to blow up something new and attractive.

Sometimes i take Russia and ASEAN as our Canada & Mexico.

Well even if it's 30% why exactly would Russia been keen is beyond me ? It's like selling EVs to oil rich Saudi or Iran . They actually can keep running ICE automobiles till the end of next century leave aside this century.

Russia's your Canada eh ? Last I read , Canada & the US haven't fought a war against each other , nor does US claim any territory in Canada . Further they've a joint air defense system as well . Google NORAD.

Do you want me to provide any information about your "Mexico?"

 

[KurtisBrian]

Chinese have also shown less interest in procreating plus the real estate market there is In the dumps which sort of postpones marriage & further jeopardizes the TFR in China.

All in all it's a wonderful time to be a Chinese national now . It'd get better by the end of the decade.

More old people will require more automation, more hospitals, more people/jobs in urban areas to care for and support the old, fewer rural people means bigger more efficient farms. More automation will mean greater efficiency and higher pay for workers. Kind of like how Japan does okay with about 30% of Japanese over 65.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

hmmm looking at the map. Which group of nations is Hindu India more similar to?

 

[Azaad]

More old people will require more automation, more hospitals, more people/jobs in urban areas to care for and support the old, fewer rural people means bigger more efficient farms. More automation will mean greater efficiency and higher pay for workers. Kind of like how Japan does okay with about 30% of Japanese over 65.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

hmmm looking at the map. Which group of nations is Hindu India more similar to?

What're you , a contrarian or something ?

Who pays for all that care & automation in a world becoming more & more economically insular , a problem neither Japan faced before becoming bogged down for the past 3 decades now or China did up until 2020 ? Moreover the west especially the US is hell bent on isolating China . This decade will decide who's been more successful . The US in isolating China or China in avoiding the ill effects of such isolation & keep growth levels high.

What's this about Hindu India ? Do you go about referring to Canada as Christian Canada or refugee dump of Hanjian Canada ?

 

[KurtisBrian]

What're you , a contrarian or something ?

Who pays for all that care & automation in a world becoming more & more economically insular , a problem neither Japan faced before becoming bogged down for the past 3 decades now or China did up until 2020 ? Moreover the west especially the US is hell bent on isolating China . This decade will decide who's been more successful . The US in isolating China or China in avoiding the ill effects of such isolation & keep growth levels high.

What's this about Hindu India ? Do you go about referring to Canada as Christian Canada or refugee dump of Hanjian Canada ?

Hindu India because with India we can google and see fertility/birth rate separated by religious group. In India, the Hindu birth rate is significantly lower than the Muslim birth rate. I was only referring to Hindu India.

Who pays? People disagree about who pays. They fight big wars over the topic. No need to discuss or argue. Others will make the decision for us.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Azaad]

Hindu India because with India we can google and see fertility/birth rate separated by religious group. In India, the Hindu birth rate is significantly lower than the Muslim birth rate. I was only referring to Hindu India.

Who pays? People disagree about who pays. They fight big wars over the topic. No need to discuss or argue. Others will make the decision for us.

By that token we can talk of white Christian Canada , agnostic white Canada , atheistic white Canada , Chinese Taipei Buddhist Canadians , CCP wumao Canadians , mainland Chinese daoists etc . All their TFRs would differ. Then there are the Canadian Muslims. Do the latter enjoy more state benefits than the others especially wumaos ?

So when you post a mindless point about how a fast depleting population in China is actually better for the Chinese economy we should take it at face value even when the CCP is announcing sops & allah knows what to encourage the youth to get married & procreate besides offering married couples incentives to have 2-3 children possibly more ?

When I bring up the economics behind it , you come up with evasive arguments like they fight wars over the topic & no need to discuss. Then what're you doing here on this discussion board when you've yourself confessed that you've no control over your life & all relevant decisions pertaining to it have already been taken by the powers that be .

Every now & then your schizophrenia does keep showing up doesn't it ?

 

[rockdog]

Well even if it's 30% why exactly would Russia been keen is beyond me ? It's like selling EVs to oil rich Saudi or Iran . They actually can keep running ICE automobiles till the end of next century leave aside this century.

I knew some Chinese teams hired by UAE and SA for its national level of e-transformation consultancy. The mid east governments ask them to built a framework for public transportation by using EVs, of course the Chinese EV and PHEV will be first options. As far as i knew, you will see Chinese EV as Taxi and bus in Dubai very soon.

The oil rich nations first want to make hedge on oil/new engergy, seconde they would save those oil for selling, especially during the current war time. Third, those nations have the best sunshine condition in the world, why not.

Russia's your Canada eh ? Last I read , Canada & the US haven't fought a war against each other , nor does US claim any territory in Canada . Further they've a joint air defense system as well . Google NORAD.

I hope ur history course was not taught by math teacher ...

Today We Celebrate the Time Canada Burned Down the White House

Two hundred years ago today, a 36-year old America declared war, for the second time, against Great Britain

www.smithsonianmag.com

And plz also Google SCO, it's the security framework for mid Asia. It might upgrade in the future.

Do you want me to provide any information about your "Mexico?"

Canada has less but high industrilized population, vast resources, highly compatible with USA's economy, pretty like Russia to China.

ASEAN with high population, good tourism destination, lower industrilized level, good for outsourced manufacutures... Pretty like Mexico to USA. There is a thing called RCEP, it's quite strange framework to some of Indian members here.

It's just my personal POV, i see such integration is happening.


China’s steadily expanding investments in Russia since the Ukraine conflict

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/chinas-steadily-expanding-investments-in-russia-since-the-ukraine-conflict/

The China-ASEAN rail map takes shape

The China-ASEAN rail map takes shape

China’s plan to build a pan-regional railway to connect its southwestern border with the countries of continental South East Asia is gaining speed.

www.asiamediacentre.org.nz

 

[Azaad]

I knew some Chinese teams hired by UAE and SA for its national level of e-transformation consultancy. The mid east governments ask them to built a framework for public transportation by using EVs, of course the Chinese EV and PHEV will be first options. As far as i knew, you will see Chinese EV as Taxi and bus in Dubai very soon.

It's to be expected. It's also known as trialing a new technology.

I'm sure we'd see Chinese EVs flood the taxi driving sector in the entire middle East. Says a lot of what they actually think of you .

The oil rich nations first want to make hedge on oil/new engergy, seconde they would save those oil for selling, especially during the current war time. Third, those nations have the best sunshine condition in the world, why not.

Make a hedge & save those oil for selling? When do they plan on selling all that oil they saved? In 2030 or beyond? When at least good 25-50% of the world's top automobile markets would be running on EVs & demand for oil will plummet? Is that how MSS sees this? How's sunshine & EV connected? Pray do tell. I'm sure everyone out here would love to see the connection.

I hope ur history course was not taught by math teacher ...

Seems British administred Canada is the same as independent Canada to you. Good thing you didn't read about how French ruled Canada which is Quebec essentially was at war with British ruled Canada else you'd have termed it a civil war. Be honest, will you? You flunked the gaokao test & are now an operative for the past 20 yrs instead of being a director of some big operation in the MSS like the kind Xu Yanjun ran.

Today We Celebrate the Time Canada Burned Down the White House

Two hundred years ago today, a 36-year old America declared war, for the second time, against Great Britain

www.smithsonianmag.com

And plz also Google SCO, it's the security framework for mid Asia. It might upgrade in the future.

And how's SCO connected to EV ? Or NORAD? Are you suggesting China & Russia will have an integrated air defense when out of fear of the US & further sanctions you're not even aiding Russia with weapons. They had to get it from Iran & DPRK.

Canada has less but high industrilized population, vast resources, highly compatible with USA's economy, pretty like Russia to China.

Yes, after all Canada has a Port Arthur in North Eastern Canada which used to belong to the US at some point.

ASEAN with high population, good tourism destination, lower industrilized level, good for outsourced manufacutures... Pretty like Mexico to USA. There is a thing called RCEP, it's quite strange framework to some of Indian members here.

The day full scale sanctions come into effect, all those proxy factories operating in Vietnam & other ASEAN countries too get hit & hit bad.

We've a saying in our parts - if the cat surreptitiously drinking milk shuts his eyes it doesn't mean the world doesn't see the cat drink the milk.

It's just my personal POV i see such integration is happening.

China’s steadily expanding investments in Russia since the Ukraine conflict

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/chinas-steadily-expanding-investments-in-russia-since-the-ukraine-conflict/

Good for you . At least your investments there are protected.

The China-ASEAN rail map takes shape

The China-ASEAN rail map takes shape

China’s plan to build a pan-regional railway to connect its southwestern border with the countries of continental South East Asia is gaining speed.

www.asiamediacentre.org.nz

Is this another one of your BRI iterations ? Strangely ever since the Wuhan virus we haven't heard much of the BRI from great helmsman 2.0. What do you suppose is the issue? After all Sri Lanka & Maldives have both benefited tremendously from it . They've reached developed world status on account of the BRI. Seems its a strange framework to the Chinese here.

 

[rockdog]

How's sunshine & EV connected? Pray do tell. I'm sure everyone out here would love to see the connection.

Best Sunshine condition > Solar power > source of EV, and power conservation.
Those two areas are Chinese makers good at.

Seems British administred Canada is the same as independent Canada to you. Good thing you didn't read about how French ruled Canada which is Quebec essentially was at war with British ruled Canada else you'd have termed it a civil war. Be honest, will you?

We see Empire Russia, CCCP, current Russia federation are different, like British Canada and current Canada are different.

And how's SCO connected to EV ? Or NORAD? Are you suggesting China & Russia will have an integrated air defense when out of fear of the US & further sanctions you're not even aiding Russia with weapons. They had to get it from Iran & DPRK.

Maybe SCO v3.0 will be something like NORAD, time will tell.

Is this another one of your BRI iterations ? Strangely ever since the Wuhan virus we haven't heard much of the BRI from great helmsman 2.0. What do you suppose is the issue? After all Sri Lanka & Maldives have both benefited tremendously from it . They've reached developed world status on account of the BRI. Seems its a strange framework to the Chinese here.

The mistakes made by current government were, they made up some concepts like "BRI", "Made in China 2025", "Thousand Talents Plan", and blew up them loudly, they should did it silently,

Then the western quickly made concept of "debt trap" and connected with those big names, made them as target to attack. And common people just buy this simple story under western news agencies.

If you still truly believe the Chinese BRI fxxcked up nations like SK and were the only reason, you better also believe the India's ranking on global hunger index...



But the fact is, with those projects, Chinese products are gaining bigger share in the world with extremely low cost in last 10 yrs, it's the integrated advantages for whole global supply chains.

Comprehensive cost advantage between the same product:


Volkswagen ID.3 Germany sells for 40,000 Euros, China only sells for 15,000 Euros! German netizens are angry: We subsidize the Chinese? –Fast technology–Technology changes the future

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VW ID3 costs 35+ kEUR in Europe and 15k in China. Why the massive price difference?

 

[KurtisBrian]

Only 8% of Chinese Have a Favorable View of India, Says New Tsinghua Univeristy Poll

The Chinese public is far more skeptical about relations with India than any of Beijing's other major rivals, including the United States and Japan, according to a recent poll conducted by researchers at Tsinghua University. Only 8% of respondents had a favorable view of India, significantly...

chinaglobalsouth.com

59% of Chinese are unfavorable towards the US. 12% favorable
57.5% of Chinese are unfavorable towards Japan. 13% favorable
50% of Chinese are unfavorable towards India. 8% favorable

People with different beliefs or ethnicity eventually discover/rediscover they do not share the same beliefs and thus are doomed to conflict.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

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Only 8% of Chinese Have a Favorable View of India, Says New Tsinghua Univeristy Poll

The Chinese public is far more skeptical about relations with India than any of Beijing's other major rivals, including the United States and Japan, according to a recent poll conducted by researchers at Tsinghua University. Only 8% of respondents had a favorable view of India, significantly...

chinaglobalsouth.com

59% of Chinese are unfavorable towards the US. 12% favorable
57.5% of Chinese are unfavorable towards Japan. 13% favorable
50% of Chinese are unfavorable towards India. 8% favorable

People with different beliefs or ethnicity eventually discover/rediscover they do not share the same beliefs and thus are doomed to conflict.

China have the least unfavorable view of India compared to the US and Japan

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Best Sunshine condition > Solar power > source of EV, and power conservation.
Those two areas are Chinese makers good at.







We see Empire Russia, CCCP, current Russia federation are different, like British Canada and current Canada are different.




Maybe SCO v3.0 will be something like NORAD, time will tell.





The mistakes made by current government were, they made up some concepts like "BRI", "Made in China 2025", "Thousand Talents Plan", and blew up them loudly, they should did it silently,

Then the western quickly made concept of "debt trap" and connected with those big names, made them as target to attack. And common people just buy this simple story under western news agencies.

If you still truly believe the Chinese BRI fxxcked up nations like SK and were the only reason, you better also believe the India's ranking on global hunger index...



But the fact is, with those projects, Chinese products are gaining bigger share in the world with extremely low cost in last 10 yrs, it's the integrated advantages for whole global supply chains.

View attachment 216952


Comprehensive cost advantage between the same product:


Volkswagen ID.3 Germany sells for 40,000 Euros, China only sells for 15,000 Euros! German netizens are angry: We subsidize the Chinese? –Fast technology–Technology changes the future

GAMINGDEPUTY

‏‏‎‎‏‏‎ ‎News, Reviews & Insights

www.gamingdeputy.com

VW ID3 costs 35+ kEUR in Europe and 15k in China. Why the massive price difference?

Once you hook into the Chinese supply chain, your cars will be cheaper. But until Chinese brands started to rise, the Euros in China still charged European prices in China and just pocketed more profit.

Once there is competitiom you cannot profit as much and still remain in business

Do you think Tesla will lower price in the US with its Chinese suppliers for the new Gigafactory in Mexico? Or just pocket more profit? No Chinese competition in the US!

 

[Acharya Chanakya]

 

[KurtisBrian]

China have the least unfavorable view of India compared to the US and Japan

Yes, interesting, isn't it?
also fewest Chinese who like India. Why? maybe bc less of a relationship. Less emotions.
When couples (bf/gf) break up or fight there are strong emotions (US/China). When brothers fight the fight is brutal. (Japan/China)
An annoying neighbor who says he can park on the road will annoy the people his car blocks, others won't care so much.

 

[Azaad]

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Only 8% of Chinese Have a Favorable View of India, Says New Tsinghua Univeristy Poll

The Chinese public is far more skeptical about relations with India than any of Beijing's other major rivals, including the United States and Japan, according to a recent poll conducted by researchers at Tsinghua University. Only 8% of respondents had a favorable view of India, significantly...

chinaglobalsouth.com

59% of Chinese are unfavorable towards the US. 12% favorable
57.5% of Chinese are unfavorable towards Japan. 13% favorable
50% of Chinese are unfavorable towards India. 8% favorable

People with different beliefs or ethnicity eventually discover/rediscover they do not share the same beliefs and thus are doomed to conflict.

The Indians are absolutely shattered. What should we do to get a favorable rating from Tsinghua ? Open up our markets more to Chinese exports ? Or some other grand idea . Pls do suggest something . The whole of India's losing their sleep over this report.

 

[KurtisBrian]

The Indians are absolutely shattered. What should we do to get a favorable rating from Tsinghua ? Open up our markets more to Chinese exports ? Or some other grand idea . Pls do suggest something . The whole of India's losing their sleep over this report.

Just keep being yourself. It was worked wonders in the past.

 

[Azaad]

Just keep being yourself. It was worked wonders in the past.

"Was worked wonders ?" How many times do we have to tell you guys to lay off Baidu translate ?

Besides we wish the CCP continues its quest for world domination followed by the sheep also known as the proletariat aka the Chinese sheeple sorry people in what's soon to become the 180 yrs of humiliation of the Chinese nation masquerading as the 100 yrs of humiliation.

It's only when you start dipping your hands deep in the pant pockets of the gwailou & squeeze his balls that he'd react violently. That's what we're waiting patiently for . Then of course there's Taiwan.

 

[Wisemarko]

NYT: Best Microwave
“Almost all countertop microwaves sold in the US are manufactured by just one company from China, Midea. We confirmed with Midea that it makes and sells Toshiba, Comfee, and Black+Decker ovens. We’re also confident that GE, Whirlpool, Sharp, Breville, Insignia, Magic Chef, Hamilton Beach, and others also sell microwaves that were originally built and probably designed in large part by Midea”

The Best Microwave

Microwaves basically all perform the same, but we like our top pick for its looks and its useful extra features.

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