Can India do a Falklands war type campaign if PLAN takes over Andamans

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Bad news for you in this scenario, India is not an expeditionary force while France is. We would have thousands of troops there, set up an airbase and SAMP-T batteries making a huge protection bubble. Anything that entered it would be destroyed. Only way to break it is to attrite the air shield taking heavy IAF losses to gain air superiority. The real question is, how many planes would IAF lose before they can start bombing French positions. Once it goes into scores of aircraft and several ships lost, I think they would take a step back and go the diplomatic route. If IAF don't mind losing hundreds of planes and dozens of ships, France will lose for sure. We are not the US to keep such a supply chain.
What do you think will happen if Indian Navy uses missiles to take out your defence positions? There are no missile defence system in this world with 100% success rate. And Indian Navy has good AA missiles too. In tiat case, loss of aircraft/warships will be very minimal.

If the occupying forces try to attach IN using air crafts, they will face loss too. How long do you think that French forces will be able to hold without proper cover from continuously incoming missiles? And, taking into account the size of Indian Navy and French Navy, sending reinforcements to the occupying forces will be more than difficult for France.
 

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I have had this discussion in other forums where US, Canadian and Royal Navy personnel were commenting - they all pretty much said the same thing - Only two navies can take the AnN Islands - USN and French Navy - but only the USN can hold onto it for more than 2-3 days. The french navy can take over some of the islands, but will be kicked out within 2-3 days.
 

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france cannot operate so far away from its mainland with only one carrier.
 

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What about it? Do you mean India trying to take it over? Maybe - but anything larger/ farhter away is not happenning unless India gets a full Marine corps up and running.
 

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I have had this discussion in other forums where US, Canadian and Royal Navy personnel were commenting - they all pretty much said the same thing - Only two navies can take the AnN Islands - USN and French Navy - but only the USN can hold onto it for more than 2-3 days. The french navy can take over some of the islands, but will be kicked out within 2-3 days.
How about the Royal Navy? Are they not comparable to French Navy? I thought other than USN, Royal Navy has the better power projection and operation capabilities far from their land.
 

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What you guys are missing in this equation is thinking from the enemies perspective. If they go for these islands , they would open multiple war fronts to stretch India's military ...But bottom line: I don't think , given the world's stance on India that china would be foolish to try such a land grabbing move...they, and I do believe them to a small extent, are not suicidal to risk economic fall out that would come out from such misadventure- let alone risk an American, Russian response...even if it is done covertly.
 

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How about the Royal Navy? Are they not comparable to French Navy? I thought other than USN, Royal Navy has the better power projection and operation capabilities far from their land.
NO - the Royal Navy has no operational carrier at this moment and their first Liz class carriers won't be available till 2018. Their LPD/ LHDs are in a mess and although their Marines are the best after the USMC, they are turning toothless due to budgetary constraints. The UK economy is in deep trouble bleeding GDP for the last 3-4 years and defence budget is all in doldrums. By 2020, when this Folklands-type campaign was projected for, Royal Navy might just be limping back to a global role and no way they can try something that soon. If things go well, maybe by 2025-2030 they can do something similar to a Falklands campaign.
The French Navy will also start facing constraints by 2030, since their limited numbers of M-Rafales will become somewhat obsolete compared to other nations (F-35s for sure, even J-15s and other).
 

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India will do falkland type war but only if it got a support of big players. moreover siezing few easy targets GoI will most probably go to UNO to get either a ceasefire or a kargil type settlement .
 

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India will do falkland type war but only if it got a support of big players. moreover siezing few easy targets GoI will most probably go to UNO to get either a ceasefire or a kargil type settlement .
Did you read the article i posted in the US-India partnership thread? It says AnN being converted to a far east naval command with American funding. If there is any truth in that, bye bye China from the IOR!!
 

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Did you read the article i posted in the US-India partnership thread? It says AnN being converted to a far east naval command with American funding. If there is any truth in that, bye bye China from the IOR!!
infact this should have been done long time back. the main problem is that any party in india is not an all round political. it just wanna govern or hold seat. thy do what is to be done on urgent basis only.

the main problem is that the concept of nation is absent among them-bjp or congress or cpi. they dont know that india should be limited to a boundary like usa. its boundaries are fixed. ie they have an idea that which thing is domestic issue and which one is intl. or should india be all about indians. that is limitless boundary and people having faith in india should be treated alike and those who dont should be dealt otherwise. the one used by islamic states.
GOI confuses with both and thus many important domestic and intl issues are either manhandled or delayed.

if AnN is an indian territory then a base should have been set up long back. as its our territory.
or the islands having indian population should be gaurded by military as it is our frontier region.

in both cases we needed presence of armed forces.
 

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What do you think will happen if Indian Navy uses missiles to take out your defence positions? There are no missile defence system in this world with 100% success rate. And Indian Navy has good AA missiles too. In tiat case, loss of aircraft/warships will be very minimal.

If the occupying forces try to attach IN using air crafts, they will face loss too. How long do you think that French forces will be able to hold without proper cover from continuously incoming missiles? And, taking into account the size of Indian Navy and French Navy, sending reinforcements to the occupying forces will be more than difficult for France.
And what missiles do you have? Brahmos III is far away from service, your ballistic missiles are not accurate enough to guarantee major damage to the defences unless going nuclear, but even then French troops are NBC protected. The best SAM IN has is SA-N-7 which are no better than our modernised SM-1s. Our ships come with Asters upgraded Standards and Crotale NGs and can operate very far away from air bases on the Subcontinent making coordinated air-strikes lazy at best. Our ships, subs and aircraft carry enough Exocets to swamp the defence and sink most of what will come before it. If anything of what the USN officer said about IN is true, it won't be combat ready if it did come down to it. Between the Horizons, SAMP-T batteries and Rafales guarding the islands, the amount of airpower required to defeat it would be tremendous. We do have datalinked AWACs so our situational awareness will be much better meaning a higher IAF loss rate.

The real question is if your ballistic missiles can take out the airbase, SRBMs are useless against Aster-30 and your land launchers are too far anyway. Are there enough MRMBs to pepper the area to get enough damage to shut it down? They were not made with precision strike in mind so I think not likely. IAF has to shut down the French Navy and Air Force if it is going to retake the island or any force will not be safe making the journey. SSNs will be lurking the waterways and they do have uplinks to extensive European observation SATs, not just Helios 2 constellation but all partner constellations which is on par with US assets. Targeting ships will be easy for us, not so easy for India as they don't even know what is going on off their coast now. Throw in some SCALP attacks to degrade India's tracking assets and we can leave a big black hole.

The biggest problem will be logistics, we can set up enough for a month in the initial convoy, but it would have to be resupplied every month. Lacking A400M would require conversion of Airbus freighters to make an air bridge and we would have to charter the Ro-Ros we have for emergency transport missions. Keeping a CSG on station for more than 6 months won't happen with only one CVN, so we would have to rely on the airbase and maybe make another as a back-up. Under the protection of land based air power the task force would have to keep vigilant patrol over the island(s) and all convoys would have to come far South out of wandering IAF patrols.

Now, if Indian forces can survive a couple hundred Exocets, several hundred Asters and land enough troops to dislodge several thousand Marines, it can take it no question. Otherwise it would have to try and patrol the vast expanse of the IOR trying to hunt for our resupply convoys and Air Bridge and try to starve us out. They would be so far South, India wouldn't be able to look out there for long. In the meantime, France would control all the major choke points of the world's sea lanes: Red Sea, Persian Gulf, The Cape and Straights of Malacca. Targeting Indian shipping from these locations could bring GoI to the negotiation table before repatriation is even attempted.
 

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How about the Royal Navy? Are they not comparable to French Navy? I thought other than USN, Royal Navy has the better power projection and operation capabilities far from their land.
RN doesn't have carrier strike anymore so that makes them highly susceptible to air strikes and limits their power projection. They could land 1500 Marines on an island initially, but have no AWACs or SAMP-Ts to cover the island defence. Since they don't have and can't get air power there without the IAF busting them up, they can't sustain anything. The nearest supply point is Diego Garcia which is too close to India to be safe from retaliation. IN could just send Marines there and take it cutting them completely off. UK doesn't control the choke points of the IOR's shipping lanes so they have no bargaining power.

If IAF is unable to penetrate the AAW of the RN, there would be a sea battle with both sides taking heavy losses. RN does have superior SSNs so Indian shipping and troop movements would be at high risk. They have access to the same targeting data as French subs so you would take heavy losses on the high seas. The limited availability of RN subs would likely allow an invasion force to proceed, although you might have to try twice. Their subs also come with TLAMs so expect some important installations on the Subcontinent to be knocked out.

Limited number of Marines, no air cover, no choke points, no land based SAMs and under constant threat by IAF would make an occupation by the RN pretty much impossible.
 

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The French Navy will also start facing constraints by 2030, since their limited numbers of M-Rafales will become somewhat obsolete compared to other nations (F-35s for sure, even J-15s and other).
Our Rafale-Ms will have doubled in number before 2030 and all be AESA equipped. Active cancellation technology will be perfected with all Spectra NG units. I would rather fly that than F-35 much less a :lol: J-15.
 

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first of all,i really do not think china would resort to a sea battle with india unless chinese leader is a moron.india and china are neighboured by mountains and rivers,undoubtly,engagement on land is ideal.sure,Great Nicobar island controls one of most important navigational lanes in the world,if india blocks this water,the trade among china . midest and europe will be severely affected.
Let's say PLAN (with help of Myanmer and Pakistan) takes over Great Nicobar island, builds military bases there. Can India do a naval campaign like the Falklands Islands to liberate the Island? Say the timeline is 2020.
I would like to see well thought out detailed analysis from the members - PLAN strengths and equipments, IN strengths and equipments and their strategy/ tactics of the two sides.
 
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what is the current strenght of the Andaman garrison and their equipment?
 

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