Burger boys and the India-US Relations

[sorcerer]

Obviously IN have escorted them(USN) out.

this situation won’t arise if it was paki or Chinese so close to India territory

issue here is ignorance of ground realities in India by US Gov and their India experts.

USA has a way of probing their "friends" from time to time walking over them...to see if they are ready yet to walk over as and when they please.
sort of like salami slicing by the chinese..but this is more like on the "taken for granted" psychological level.

They would do such stunts..wait for the reaction..
then do it again...
repeat..rinse...

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

As per reports, Indian navy was tracking the ship but took no action? Is this the SOP? What if it was a ccp or paki ship? If we cannot stand up to the bully, it will only set a precedent. At least we could have radioed the ship and despatched a plane to buzz at a safe distance as a mark of protest

It was an American ship , what if dosent count here

 

[Kumata]

I doubt Biden has the backbone to make any aggressive moves against China.

Right but eleven's confidence post virus is at all time high....So him going in any mis-adventure is not far fetched.. more with Joe in WH, He have his own man in there..

 

[sorcerer]

Or cud be a ploy to break baba's strong man image ...ultimately, they want their puppets in south block....

Why wud US wants a adverse public opinion against them in india

Anything that breaks the BABA's strong man image will definitely ruin the US india relationship..if this is how they do.
USA tried it with the Rafale stunt...with the Scorpion stunt.
USA like china is always treated with suscpicion in the minds of Indians no matter how many MCdonalds /KFCs USA opens in india...

USA doesnt care about any opinion whatsoever against them...but a strong anti US sentiments in India is beneficial for china..and biden knows how to stoop low so that his ass is in in perfect position for Xi.

There is also a possibility that the pro biden gang in USA administration (CIA or whatever) could also be behind the anti trump violence in India. They got PM Modi and Trump, both at the same time.
why not?

 

[Suhaldev]

Those who were criticising strategic autonomy stand of India during LAC standoff are the crying out loud now. Atleast MEA have been prove right time and again, over reliance on any power is not good. Specially, in case of USA. Hence, India should squeeze as much as possible.

Further, if USA were carrying out these exercises why they didn't the publicised before and as usual our establishment caught napping again (on accountability for LAC/naxal or this) roj reactive mode ma he rahtey hai.

Can this be signal that india should not buy s400 or order new planes from Russia?

Why this China angle is being pushed?

As always we are on our own.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

You assume they are serious about countering China and all this drama of Quad etc, is not just a smokescreen to swindle the plebs when anti-China sentiment is at an all time high, while (((profitable activities))) can take place in the background, till the effects of the Kung Flu fade away.

tbh only two countries in the quad have actual skin in the game, one being us and the other being the Japanese.
Australia is happy being the randiya of the Chinkies, and Americunts are here just to flex their superpower hegemon muscle, but they can too happily cede most of Asia to the Chinks just as they ceded global manufacturing capacity and other sectors to Chinks for 40 years now.

they have to be serious for atleast one reaason,their position is on the line if china take over slowly.no matter what they cant allow a competing ideological power to gain more than it has already.i am under no illusion as i am the most cold blooded and cynical guy in the forum,but power is the currency of every logical person including the guys in the us.what will they if china becomes equal to them,sing kumbaya to them,china is here to challenge and contest everything like a party in a democracy contesting all seats and they intend to win it.even a corrupt king wants to rule over something.no matter how depraved or degenerate the admins in the usa are,they would want some sizable empire to rule over for material and ego reasons.now i am not ruling out stupidity,but g2 will effectively be china led order by being the next biggest kid on the block.

i am under no illusion that the historically-hypocrite-on-many-issues usa is some saint or hUmAn rIgHts-DEMOCRACY-INTERNATIONAL,ETC PROMOTING ORDER, But i am operating on the belief that humans are assholes and selfish .they want power and a sizable defacto empire and hegemonic empires no matter what historically are concerned about whatever threat they have to the stability of the empire,usually myopic too and they often lose to the new kid in the block,first slowly and then suddenly.

I am als0 under no illusion that the usa is going win from the very start of the previous decade.i am a known shorter of the us stock position. my advice to the indian genral polity and leaders if they can hear it is to always use the us as booster rocket and they can somewhat reliably be expected to atleast distract the chinese.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

You assume they are serious about countering China and all this drama of Quad etc, is not just a smokescreen to swindle the plebs when anti-China sentiment is at an all time high, while (((profitable activities))) can take place in the background, till the effects of the Kung Flu fade away.

tbh only two countries in the quad have actual skin in the game, one being us and the other being the Japanese.
Australia is happy being the randiya of the Chinkies, and Americunts are here just to flex their superpower hegemon muscle, but they can too happily cede most of Asia to the Chinks just as they ceded global manufacturing capacity and other sectors to Chinks for 40 years now.

but there is a saying about americans from churchill that was effectively saying that "americans will eventually try the right thing after they have exhausted all the wrong methods "

they ceding manufacturing to china is one of this.they are the epitome of the big rich idiot in class in contemprary time(not the old usa of 1776 or 1945),does not care about losses as daddy can always buy a new one.however the old churchill saying has been consistent from the very beginning.

understand that usa if it wins historically is usually by out-resourcing the other side.once it meets an opponent that replace the required elements in a conflict as fast or faster than them,they panic and lose their footing.
EG : USA VS IRAQ ARMY : FAST AND EPIC VICTORY,USA VS VIETNAM : USA CANT HANDLE SEEMINGLY UNLIMITED VIET CONG AND NVA AND RETREAT EVEN AFTER OVERWHELMING KILLEATH RATIO IN IT FAVOR.USA VS IRAQ POLITY AFTER IRAQ WAR 2 : CLUSTERFUCK AND IT EVENTUALLY PUTS ITS HAND UP MOVES AWAY.USA VS AFGHANISTAN : USA CNT HANDLE UNLIMITED AFGHAN TALIBAN BODIES THROWN AT THEM AND WANTS OUT. POSSIBLE USA VS CHINA PREDIICTIONS : USA CANT OUT MANUFACTURE SHIPS WHICH ARE THE CURRENCY IN THE SCS,CANT HANDLE INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS AND FIRES BETTER THAN CHINA AND WILL SLOWLY RETREAT.

Ceding the manufacturing capability in various domains is one of those mistakes that us gets into historically except that before it used to save itself from its stupid decisions by leveraging its manufacturing capability and economy.think usa vs germany or japan in world war 2.think what would happen,if germany or japan were big countries like russia and not a middle weight punching above their weights.

the usa story has been a series of happy go lucku episodes in some motu patlu cartoon.always gets handed these jobbers in who have the stakes largely against them and professes how great they are when they eventually beat them by sheer weight.all those victories are with disproportionate losses.that is why this time china vs usa or india vs usa will be different as it cannot rely on making may mistakes and stumble their way into victory.

basically usa is like a batsman in the last over with 30 runs to win.historically it atmost gets 10 runs in the last over.who knows maybe this is the first time they will accomplish it but i dont buy it.it previously has scenarious when it only needed to get 2,3,4,5 to get over the line(think usa vs japan,usavs germany,etc).basically it deluded itself with its own victories and end of history way of thinking.

our mission from my perspective from the start from my posts you can understand was to expolit the slow sinking ship that is the usa.

 

[ezsasa]

Obviously IN have escorted them(USN) out.

this situation won’t arise if it was paki or Chinese so close to India territory

issue here is ignorance of ground realities in India by US Gov and their India experts.

and let’s not forget even CNN knows that India prefers to handle contentious diplomatic issues behind the scenes, CNN said so themselves many times on air.
if someone is giving an excuse that WH/State department/pentagon are not aware of this fundamental aspect then they are stupid/ignorant.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Now to completely ruin india-US relationship we just need to tell Raga to threaten modi public image by calling him a coward.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

but there is a saying about americans from churchill that was effectively saying that "americans will eventually try the right thing after they have exhausted all the wrong methods "

they ceding manufacturing to china is one of this.they are the epitome of the big rich idiot in class in contemprary time(not the old usa of 1776 or 1945),does not care about losses as daddy can always buy a new one.however the old churchill saying has been consistent from the very beginning.

understand that usa if it wins historically is usually by out-resourcing the other side.once it meets an opponent that replace the required elements in a conflict as fast or faster than them,they panic and lose their footing.
EG : USA VS IRAQ ARMY : FAST AND EPIC VICTORY,USA VS VIETNAM : USA CANT HANDLE SEEMINGLY UNLIMITED VIET CONG AND NVA AND RETREAT EVEN AFTER OVERWHELMING KILLEATH RATIO IN IT FAVOR.USA VS IRAQ POLITY AFTER IRAQ WAR 2 : CLUSTERFUCK AND IT EVENTUALLY PUTS ITS HAND UP MOVES AWAY.USA VS AFGHANISTAN : USA CNT HANDLE UNLIMITED AFGHAN TALIBAN BODIES THROWN AT THEM AND WANTS OUT. POSSIBLE USA VS CHINA PREDIICTIONS : USA CANT OUT MANUFACTURE SHIPS WHICH ARE THE CURRENCY IN THE SCS,CANT HANDLE INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS AND FIRES BETTER THAN CHINA AND WILL SLOWLY RETREAT.

Ceding the manufacturing capability in various domains is one of those mistakes that us gets into historically except that before it used to save itself from its stupid decisions by leveraging its manufacturing capability and economy.think usa vs germany or japan in world war 2.think what would happen,if germany or japan were big countries like russia and not a middle weight punching above their weights.

the usa story has been a series of happy go lucku episodes in some motu patlu cartoon.always gets handed these jobbers in who have the stakes largely against them and professes how great they are when they eventually beat them by sheer weight.all those victories are with disproportionate losses.that is why this time china vs usa or india vs usa will be different as it cannot rely on making may mistakes and stumble their way into victory.

basically usa is like a batsman in the last over with 30 runs to win.historically it atmost gets 10 runs in the last over.who knows maybe this is the first time they will accomplish it but i dont buy it.it previously has scenarious when it only needed to get 2,3,4,5 to get over the line(think usa vs japan,usavs germany,etc).basically it deluded itself with its own victories and end of history way of thinking.

our mission from my perspective from the start from my posts you can understand was to expolit the slow sinking ship that is the usa.

There is not much USA can do now to fix the mistakes of past. Best thing is to accept the number
two spot and slowly relinquish any leadership role internationally to China.

 

[HitmanBlood]

Arrogant Americans don't care about their friends they take all allies for granted. Their arrogant way will no longer be tolerated in today's multipolar world.

They constantly poke their nose in our internal affairs, they sue us for protecting our economy, they put senctions on us for simply increasing our defence capabilities. While they brake every human right law in the world, practice the most unfair trade policies, impose illigal wars on defenceless countries, breaking every international agreement.

Its time we do something about these arrogant savages. Time to do tit for tat. I suggest testing full range ICBM in response. Its a long pending test anyway so lets do it. If that is too much than atleast scrap LEMOA, CISMOSA, BECA and renegotiate until they start respecting us.

Don't let them take india for granted. If we don't act now tomorrow they will go full throttle on human rights, 370, CAA and much more. Time to show them their place.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Leave it to a democratic administration to ruin relations.

Sir the emphasis on int’l law/unclos , peace/security in Indo- pacific is one of central aspects of quad and it strengthens message to China . But amreekunts themselves havent adhered to unclos.

China won’t change, Bharat-China ties will loosen, China’s ties with Japan/ Australia will remain tense and amreekunts will constrain China’s advances in new technologies. Decoupling in critical areas will happen.Hence more Quad consolidation. That is not much of problem here.

The issue is of unreliable amreeki behaviour as alliance partner.

But some same minds in pentagon do know that even for amreeki, it is foolish to get into the trap of competitive increases of defence expenditure with China with a 'go it alone' approach.

That pompeo has outlined clearly ’s Quad concept which BHARAT hesitates to subscribe to fully .Crisis in Russia-amreekunts ties not of Bharat’s making.Quad/ Indo-Pacific concept is not directed at Russia. Its anti-Chinese dimension is consequence of China’s policies over which Russia has no control, including Chinese bychcraft in Ladakh despite getting bloody nose.

Theres lot of internal mess within amreekunts.

Don't think so untill joe had his brain in freezer. I suspect this was sanctioned by WH per se but US needs QUAD more than anyone else....

There are a lot of issues with an amreekunt led world order. It is not perfect by any stretch of imagination. However, a Chinese led world would be equally shit.

Imo quad platform will only be as strong as the way the differences are treated. Thankfully, China is driving the it to set aside its differences.

Do note that there is also a purge going on within lipstic infested genderless amreekan army. The pro chinese journails are being pumped in.

France’s Indo-Pacific policy is independent of amreekunts as it is effectively Indo/ Pacific power & is cooperating meaningfully with BHARAT. Quad navies have joined it in La Perouse exercise in BHARAT's Ocean. France is like spearhead of natofags. Expect other members to join in.

Recently Germany have also announced their own Indo-Pacific policy guidelines independent of amreeka , just read about that few days ago.

Asean can also play as secondary battery roles within quad. Then Philippines TAIWAN Japs etc.

Expansion of quad is the only way forward. Demented amreekunts needs to be reminded succinctly that quad is not dependent on them and they dont try to be its maibaap least they fuck up their alliance partners which they historically tend to do. The spine of quad will always be BHARAT alone rest all secondary because only BHARAT has the size and numbers and firepower at the end to be first and last line of Asia's defense in face of chinese aggression.

 

[RedPumpkin]

and let’s not forget even CNN knows that India prefers to handle contentious diplomatic issues behind the scenes, CNN said so themselves many times on air.
if someone is giving an excuse that WH/State department/pentagon are not aware of this fundamental aspect then they are stupid/ignorant.

We should have radioed the ship and told them that they are in Indian eez and that they need to get out fast.

 

[HawkisRight]

Call for US probe into Hindu right-wing groups getting COVID fund

Following Al Jazeera report, Coalition to Stop Genocide in India demands probe into US federal funds ‘sponsoring hate’.

www.aljazeera.com

Call for US probe into Hindu right-wing groups getting COVID fund
Following an Al Jazeera report, US-based Coalition to Stop Genocide in India demands investigation into federal funds given to ‘sponsor hate’.

I always had these belief dat Jal jeera news is actually a cia ghost project..no way arab can operate such sophisticated propaganda machinery..jal jeera gives us deep state deniability of falling under usual murici propaganda and cia can operate under mid east news cover to conveniently keep doing propaganda against partner countries..so mudi baba get ready to be Targeted from all sides now

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Arrogant Americans don't care about their friends they take all allies for granted. Their arrogant way will no longer be tolerated in today's multipolar world.

They constantly poke their nose in our internal affairs, they sue us for protecting our economy, they put senctions on us for simply increasing our defence capabilities. While they brake every human right law in the world, practice the most unfair trade policies, impose illigal wars on defenceless countries, breaking every international agreement.

Its time we do something about these arrogant savages. Time to do tit for tat. I suggest testing full range ICBM in response. Its a long pending test anyway so lets do it. If that is too much than atleast scrap LEMOA, CISMOSA, BECA and renegotiate until they start respecting us.

Don't let them take india for granted. If we don't act now tomorrow they will go full throttle on human rights, 370, CAA and much more. Time to show them their place.

no need to scrap the agreements,just dont use them and keep them as desk decorations,that icbm test though would be an out of the box good thinking as we can always hide behind the democracy and other excuses and they will have to come forward and expose themselves if they complain.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

 

[Indrajit]

The US actions of FONOP is inexplicable for its almost complete lack of sense. What exactly was the purpose and what was the use of putting out an aggressive press release. It's true that this has been done this in the past but its timing and the fact that there was a press release issued makes this an unusual act. GoI has responded cautiously but this has left an unpleasant taste in the mouth and will likely create suspicion in the minds of those trying to improve relations with the US.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The US actions of FONOP is inexplicable for its almost complete lack of sense. What exactly was the purpose and what was the use of putting out an aggressive press release. It's true that this has been done this in the past but its timing and the fact that there was a press release issued makes this an unusual act. GoI has responded cautiously but this has left an unpleasant taste in the mouth and will likely create suspicion in the minds of those trying to improve rel7with the US.

Imo in response to Russian visit and future Putin trip??

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Those self proclaimed Amrekii dallals which keep barking that if india can't implement rules then why to make it should remember that in time to time we chase away Chinese ships when they tried to came in our water's.

US statement is provocative! EEZs (beyond territorial waters) are international waters. But India has chased away a few Chinese research vessels entering its EEZ and engaging in “suspicious military activity” after suitable warnings

Indian warships chase away Chinese vessel near A&N Islands, amid ongoing shadow-boxing in IOR - Times of India

Indian warships drove away a Chinese oceanic research vessel indulging in suspicious activity near the Andaman & Nicobar archipelago recently, amidst the continuing shadow-boxing between New Delhi & Beijing for the same strategic space in Indian Ocean Region. “If you have to do anything in our...

m.timesofindia.com

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Sir the emphasis on int’l law/unclos , peace/security in Indo- pacific is one of central aspects of quad and it strengthens message to China . But amreekunts themselves havent adhered to unclos.

China won’t change, Bharat-China ties will loosen, China’s ties with Japan/ Australia will remain tense and amreekunts will constrain China’s advances in new technologies. Decoupling in critical areas will happen.Hence more Quad consolidation. That is not much of problem here.

The issue is of unreliable amreeki behaviour as alliance partner.

But some same minds in pentagon do know that even for amreeki, it is foolish to get into the trap of competitive increases of defence expenditure with China with a 'go it alone' approach.

That pompeo has outlined clearly ’s Quad concept which BHARAT hesitates to subscribe to fully .Crisis in Russia-amreekunts ties not of Bharat’s making.Quad/ Indo-Pacific concept is not directed at Russia. Its anti-Chinese dimension is consequence of China’s policies over which Russia has no control, including Chinese bychcraft in Ladakh despite getting bloody nose.

Theres lot of internal mess within amreekunts.


There are a lot of issues with an amreekunt led world order. It is not perfect by any stretch of imagination. However, a Chinese led world would be equally shit.

Imo quad platform will only be as strong as the way the differences are treated. Thankfully, China is driving the it to set aside its differences.

Do note that there is also a purge going on within lipstic infested genderless amreekan army. The pro chinese journails are being pumped in.

France’s Indo-Pacific policy is independent of amreekunts as it is effectively Indo/ Pacific power & is cooperating meaningfully with BHARAT. Quad navies have joined it in La Perouse exercise in BHARAT's Ocean. France is like spearhead of natofags. Expect other members to join in.

Recently Germany have also announced their own Indo-Pacific policy guidelines independent of amreeka , just read about that few days ago.

Asean can also play as secondary battery roles within quad. Then Philippines TAIWAN Japs etc.

Expansion of quad is the only way forward. Demented amreekunts needs to be reminded succinctly that quad is not dependent on them and they dont try to be its maibaap least they fuck up their alliance partners which they historically tend to do. The spine of quad will always be BHARAT alone rest all secondary because only BHARAT has the size and numbers and firepower at the end to be first and last line of Asia's defense in face of chinese aggression.

chinese led world order might be shit but it cannot directly target us for our different dharmic or civilizational values as they would lack the belivablility such an attack requires.i am of the opinion that we are relatively seccure from any chinese or paki attack and that infact they are in danger of losing territory as long as current balance of power is kept and our position might improve if it goes in our favour as it might most likey due to the developments in the defence industry of this country.but thee real threat is the ideological and civilazational threat where our defences are meh.it must be strengthened and we cant move fast here due to the overwatch of the pozzed usa regime.