BrahMos Cruise Missile

[Armand2REP]

Re: India to have hypersonic Brahmos II in five years Source

Then it is a UCAV, not a missile.

 

[sayareakd]

Re: India to have hypersonic Brahmos II in five years Source

India is doing research in three projects.
1. HSTDV by DRDO

2. Brahmos-II with JV
3. RLV by ISRO.

about MTCR, we will by pass that treaty since it is silent on JV between the parties, specially when both the parties are bringing technology for the product, this we can make it very long range missile.

 

[p2prada]

Re: India to have hypersonic Brahmos II in five years Source

about MTCR, we will by pass that treaty since it is silent on JV between the parties, specially when both the parties are bringing technology for the product, this we can make it very long range missile.

No chance of that happening. Brahmos II is bound by MTCR and will have the warhead and range limitations like Brahmos I. This has been officially released by none other than Pillai. He also said it won't be available for export.

There is a chance we have a 600Km supersonic LRCM in development and was first revealed in 2005, according to Janes. Speeds greater than Mach 3.2 will supposedly be achieved by 2014. This will be an independent development.

The RLV is a space shuttle and is ISRO's project. It is worthless as a military project. Apart from RLV, there is also a program called Avatar(Aerobic Vehicle for Hypersonic Aerospace Transportation) which will be a hypersonic demonstrator like the HSTDV. Remember people, if ISRO is involved then it is purely a civilian technology.

Then it is a UCAV, not a missile.

Western definitions won't apply to it considering it could be the first of it's kind. Maybe a whole new term would be applied because it is still officially called a cruise missile. It is still restricted to 290Km. If it was categorized as a UCAV then all range and payload restrictions will disappear which we know is not happening.

 

[Armand2REP]

Re: India to have hypersonic Brahmos II in five years Source

I think the OP lost what was said...

A S Pillai, BrahMos Aerospace Chief Executive Officer, said: "This will lead to the development of the advanced BrahMos-II missile system and reusable hypersonic vehicles for space missions."

Hypersonic reusable missile is the future, Kalam tells scientists

A former president with his head in the clouds said reusable missile and total bio-diesel in 10 years.

 

[p2prada]

Re: India to have hypersonic Brahmos II in five years Source

Take it for what it is worth or leave it. No need to rewrite the article for your convenience.

"deliver the warhead, assess the destruction of target, come back and get ready to go again," Pillai said,

I am quite sure you know the difference between Pillai and Kalam. It isn't Cyrillic.

It is simply too bad our journalists are tards. They paraphrase instead of quoting the person. That's what sucks about Indian journalism.

It was Kalam's opinion and he also once said that Pillai had rejected the proposal once. Maybe the proposal was considered again.

Anyway, the article you posted was from Nov 8, 2011. The article in OP is from 4 days ago, last Friday. So, it is more recent and does quote Pillai and the source is Deccan Herald which is a decent source.

This is the actual article.
India to have hypersonic Brahmos II in five years

To add to the previous discussion, Klub carries a Torpedo as a warhead for anti-submarine capability. The missile follows a ballistic path, travels at Mach 2+ and deploys a torpedo underwater.

Btw, that former President is the Grand Daddy of our entire missile force.

 

[mahesh]

Re: India to have hypersonic reusable Brahmos II in five years Source

The mission was to develop a multi-target, anti-ship/anti-land targets missile which travelling at a hypersonic speed (at a speed of 'Mach 7), can "deliver the warhead, assess the destruction of target, come back and get ready to go again,"

hypersonic missile or hypersonic drone !?! then it;s a brahmos drone, aren't our scientists doing crash course in modern drone development

 

[Armand2REP]

Re: India to have hypersonic reusable Brahmos II in five years Source

hypersonic missile or hypersonic drone !?! then it;s a brahmos drone, aren't our scientists doing crash course in modern drone development

They have their head up their butts even worse than DRDO with projects they can't finish. Effective project management includes setting realistic and attainable goals.

 

[mahesh]

Re: India to have hypersonic reusable Brahmos II in five years Source

They have their head up their butts even worse than DRDO with projects they can't finish. Effective project management includes setting realistic and attainable goals.

i didn't understand you

 

[bhramos]

What submarines do we have where this missile can be fitted? I do know that it cannot be fitted on our kilo class or scorpene subs.

we can fire them from torpedo tubes of these submarines....

 

[Armand2REP]

we can fire them from torpedo tubes of these submarines....

it is too long and wide to fit conventional tubes... it has to be vertically launched.

 

[sayareakd]

India's Military Comes of Age: The BrahMos Missile
By James R. Holmes
July 27, 2012

Indians take pride in the BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile, or ASCM. I was taken aback some years ago when some Indian friends—gentle souls with little interest in military affairs—professed satisfaction at this successful venture into defense R&D.While that encounter induced some vertigo, it makes sense when you think about it. The Indian military has long been a consumer of hardware manufactured by others. By fielding the BrahMos, India in effect kicked in the door to an exclusive club of nations that design and produce high-tech defense articles.

Beyond simply augmenting the Indian Navy's (and Army's, and eventually Air Force's—of which more later) striking power, this lethal "bird" signifies that India is coming of age as a great power. Great powers operate aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines. They build their own military equipment. Seemingly workmanlike endeavors like weapons design and manufacturing present an aspirant to global leadership a kind of talisman. Indigenously built weapons embody intangibles like national honor and grandeur.

Here endeth the philosophizing. Jointly developed by India's Defense Research and Development Organization and Russia's Mashinostroyeniye Company, the BrahMos is a stealthy, supersonic missile designed to elude shipboard defenses like the Aegis combat system, a combined radar and fire-control system found on board American, Japanese, and South Korean destroyers and cruisers. (Spain and Norway operate the system as well, while the Royal Australian Navy is outfitting its next-generation warships with it.) Aegis has stood at the vanguard of fleet air defense since the early 1980s, when USS Ticonderoga, the U.S. Navy's first Aegis cruiser, stood out to sea. Getting past Aegis is an achievement.

Judging from the technical parameters, the Indian Navy has one-upped the U.S. Navy in this niche technology. On paper, the Indian ASCM appears superior to the AGM-84 Harpoon, long the U.S. Navy's workhorse anti-ship missile. It certainly outranges the Harpoon. The BrahMos can strike at targets 290 kilometers distant, more than double the advertised range"in excess of" 67 nautical miles (77 statute miles, or124 kilometers)for the Harpoon. And with a top speed approaching Mach 3.0, the supersonic BrahMos far outstrips the subsonic Harpoon.

Speed kills. Helter-skelter speed compresses the time air defenders have to respond—and time is the critical determinant in the "detect-to-engage" sequence. It allows crews to attempt electronic countermeasures, loft surface-to-air missiles, launch decoys, or—as a last-gasp effort—engage an incoming missile with short-range guns. Shorter detect-to-engage time, then, means fewer rounds or countermeasures in the air to stop or deflect a hostile bird.But there's another, less obvious advantage to high speed. Velocity imparts kinetic energy to any moving body.Accordingly, one body inflicts more damage when it slams into another at higher speed. Breakneck velocity magnifies a missile's hitting powerbeyond the explosive power designed into its payload.

That a speedy, extended-range weapon like the BrahMos is crucial to naval warfare in this age of long-range anti-ship weaponry is obvious from the US Navy's 2009 decision to hurriedly develop a long range anti-ship missile, or LRASM, of its own. Otherwise U.S. surface action groups may not land the first blow in combat. And they may have to take a pounding for some time before hitting back. Even if fleets close on each other at top speed, it takes quite awhile for lumbering ships to cover the 166 kilometers separating the Harpoon's range from that of the BrahMos. Assuming the technology pans out , LRASM will even the terms of long-range engagements.

The Harpoon remains a good missile, that is, but American ships have to get fairly close to cut loose with Harpoon barrages. If the enemy outranges them, they have to beat back enemy missile attacks while closing to ASCM range. That increases their chances of incurring serious if not fatal damage before even taking offensive action. Admiral Horatio Nelson famously instructed Royal Navy commanders that "no Captain can do very wrong if he places his Ship alongside that of an Enemy." But Lord Nelson lived before the advent of accurate long-range fire. He never would have given such advice knowing his ships could be put out of action before getting alongside for close-range gunnery duels.

What about the quality of the BrahMos?

Any weapon is like a "black box" until it's used in combat against real, thinking adversaries with the capacity to deploy countermeasures or strike back at the launch platform. So it's hard to judge for sure.

If nothing else, Russian involvement in the program should give us pause. Westerners have long ridiculed Soviet-built hardware, but the Soviet Navy was asymmetric before asymmetric warfare was cool. Soviet weapons scientists and engineers displayed impressive ingenuity, fielding an imposing array of anti-ship missiles. Some remain in service today, bedeviling prospective opponents. For instance, Sovremenny-class guided-missile destroyers transferred to China's navy sport SS-N-22 Sunburn ASCMs designed to evade or overpower Aegis-equipped destroyers and cruisers. With its high speed and capacity to make radical evasive maneuvers during its terminal phase of flight, the Sunburn kept American air defenders up nights during my time in uniform—and doubtless still does so today. To all appearances, the BrahMos is cast in the same mold.

There's more to anti-ship missiles than surface vessels pounding away at one another from afar. For example, the BrahMos can be fired from mobile launchers—basically trucks—on land.(Submarine- and air-launched variants are reportedly in the works as well.) That raises a host of intriguing possibilities for the Indian military. It promises to let New Delhi influence events at sea from the shore, much as Chinese rocketeers do off the East Asian seaboard.

Think about Indian Ocean geography. South Asia's maritime geography is less convoluted than East Asia's, but India does possess some strategically placed features beyond the subcontinent—notably the Andaman and Nicobar island chains. The islands lie athwart the western approaches to the Strait of Malacca. They also lie within BrahMos range of one other, while nearby landmasses in Southeast Asia fall within range of the northernmost and southernmost islands. That means the Indian Army could emplace BrahMos batteries in the Andamans and Nicobars to threaten shipping passing through these archipelagoes.

That would project India's military reach to Southeast Asia without leaving Indian soil. An extreme measure? Sure. But no more extreme than Japan's thinking about how to close the straits through the home islands and the Ryukyus in wartime. Small wonder Chinese pundits liken the Andaman and Nicobar islands to a "metal chain" stretched across sea lanes vital to China's economic development.

There are other possibilities. For example, the Indian Navy has "inducted"—that maddeningly vague term—its first nuclear-powered ballistic-missile submarine into the fleet while predicting the boat will be operational by the end of this year. But even if engineers have gotten the kinks out of the hull and its propulsion plant, INS Arihant will patrol the seas without working ballistic missiles to fire. As an interim measure, my friend Andrew Winner speculates (in our—finally!—forthcoming volume on nuclear strategy) that India will try to miniaturize a nuclear warhead sufficiently to fit on the BrahMos. The manufacturer is working on a missile variant that can be launched from torpedo tubes. If the technical details sort themselves out, that would give New Delhi an equivalent to the TLAM-N, the nuclear variant of the US Navy's Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile.

While unsatisfactory over the long haul, a nuclear-tipped BrahMos would supply the third leg of a nuclear triad, letting the Indian Navy threaten sites in Pakistan as a deterrent. Because of the BrahMos's short range relative to ballistic missiles, however, the Arihant and its sisters would have to cruise the South China Sea—or beyond—to menace targets in China. The implications of Indian submarines' prowling the crowded, increasingly contested South China Sea are worth pondering. It remains to be seen whether Indian technical wizardry will render such a system workable if New Delhi decides to pursue one, or whether engineers perfect a sea-launched ballistic missile first.

The BrahMos program, then, is worth tracking—both as a yardstick for Indian scientific and technical progress and for its strategic and political implications. We live in interesting times. The Indian military's new bird of preymakes them a little more interesting.

James Holmes is an associate professor of strategy at the U.S. Naval War College. The views voiced here are his alone.

India’s Military Comes of Age: The BrahMos Missile | The Naval Diplomat

 

[A chauhan]

Weekend date for user trial of BrahMos missile

The Indian armed forces are preparing for a user trial of supersonic cruise missile BrahMos from a test range off the Balasore coast. The Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) will provide logistical support for the test.

The trial will be conducted from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Chandipur-on-sea, anytime on Saturday or Sunday. DRDO scientists and Army officials have been working on the test since the past fortnight...

"Preparation for the test is on in full swing. While the missile has already been integrated with the launcher, tracking systems and other technical instruments are being placed to track the missile in full length. The missile will be tested in full operational configuration," the scientist told TOI over the phone.... Weekend date for user trial of BrahMos missile | idrw.org

 

[john70]

32nd flight trail of BRAHMOS

32nd flight trail of BRAHMOS - Brahmand.com

NEW DELHI (BNS): The 32nd flight test of BRAHMOS supersonic cruise missile was carried out at 1030 hrs from a test range at Chandipur off Odisha coast as part of Development trails, today on the 29th of July 2012.

The objective of the mission was to evaluate some of the newer subsystems which are produced from the Indian industry as part of production stabilization. More than 25 such systems were incorporated in the development missile, BrahMos officials said.

The 32nd launch was primarily aimed at testing the new power systems, materials for airframe components, guidance scheme and various electric systems.

The data obtained from multiple telemetry stations of ITR are being analysed for large scale production by the Indian industries, they said.

The two-stage missile, the first one being solid and the second one ramjet liquid propellant, has already been inducted into the Army and Navy and the Air-Force version is in final stage of trial.

While induction of the first version of sophisticated BRAHMOS missile system in the Indian Navy commenced from 2005 with INS Rajput, it is now fully operational with two regiments of the Army.

 

[sayareakd]

32nd test.............

 

[sayareakd]

I never thought that brahmos fly without after burner to the target. It is shown for the first time :cool2:

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I never thought that brahmos fly without after burner to the target. It is shown for the first time :cool2:

They never shown this before..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Though this is old vid..


Note the exit wound of the ship at 2.25sec...

And at 3.55 what it did to a corvette..

 

[bhramos]

Army version of BrahMos'test a success | The Asian Age

 

[Armand2REP]

Though this is old vid..


Note the exit wound of the ship at 2.25sec...

And at 3.55 what it did to a corvette..

When are they going to release Block III target footage? Been waiting ages to see a top attack.

 

[sayareakd]

looks like they have tested Brahmos to its max range, saw two news report it does not disclose its range, loos like our enemies are going to have shock of their life, with brahmos. Plus pic shows missile painted in test color, with black and white boxes, news report say some new indigenous sub system was tested. That reminds me that we dont see Pakistani test in that color scheme.