BrahMos Cruise Missile

[nitesh]

yes sridahr saar i understood that point but i am saying is if BrahMos 2 is completely made by India Hint: first test conducted by India in 2008 I think the main component of BrahMos which is not made in India is propulsion system and if it is also made in India then it can have longer range and it does not violate the MTCR that's my understanding correct me if i am wrong

 

[SATISH]

yes sridahr saar i understood that point but i am saying is if BrahMos 2 is completely made by India Hint: first test conducted by India in 2008 I think the main component of BrahMos which is not made in India is propulsion system and if it is also made in India then it can have longer range and it does not violate the MTCR that's my understanding correct me if i am wrong

But the whole company is a joint venture between Mashinostreya and Bhramos corporation with a 51% stake with India and 49% stake with mashinostreya. Well it can be used as a platform to develop new technologies and DRDO and Mashinostrya can only absorb technologies from it.

 

[nirmal]

Hi everybody, I am new to your forum and really enjoy every single thread relating to indian defence forces,be it missiles,navy,airforce.
Love to read the knowledgable inputs from various members.
Can any body comment on the status of trials of Brahmos-2 in 2010 ?

 

[Agantrope]

Hi everybody, I am new to your forum and really enjoy every single thread relating to indian defence forces,be it missiles,navy,airforce.
Love to read the knowledgable inputs from various members.
Can any body comment on the status of trials of Brahmos-2 in 2010 ?

Till now only lab tests are over for the scramjets of Brahmos -2. Trails expected by late 2011

 

[nirmal]

Agan,thanks.
Is it true that Aakash SAM is hypersonic and is capable of maneuvoures in mid flight?Any idea if Brahmos-2 will be capable of any maneuvoures during the course of its flight?

 

[Daredevil]

Agan,thanks.
Is it true that Aakash SAM is hypersonic and is capable of maneuvoures in mid flight?Any idea if Brahmos-2 will be capable of any maneuvoures during the course of its flight?

Forget about hypersonic, Akash SAM is not even supersonic. Usually SAMs are not supersonic.

Brahmos-2 is less maneuverable compared to Brahmos-1 because of high speed but still can do basic maneuvers needed to hit the static target.

 

[s_bman]

Forget about hypersonic, Akash SAM is not even supersonic. Usually SAMs are not supersonic.

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what are you talking..............sam's not supersonic?????????

akash is definitely super sonic

Akash is a surface-to-air missile with an intercept range of 30 km. It has a launch weight of 720 kg, a diameter of 35 cm and a length of 5.78 metres. Akash flies at supersonic speed, reaching around Mach 2.5. It can reach an altitude of 18 km. An on-board guidance system coupled with actuator system makes the missile manoeuvrable up to 15g loads and a tail chase capability for end game engagement. A digital proximity fuse is coupled with a 55 kg pre-fragmented warhead, while the safety arming and detonation mechanism enables a controlled detonation sequence. A self-destruct device is also integrated. It is propelled by Integrated Ramjet Rocket Engine. The use of ramjet propulsion system that enables sustained speeds without deceleration throughout its flight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akash_missile

 

[Singh]

Forget about hypersonic, Akash SAM is not even supersonic. Usually SAMs are not supersonic.

Brahmos-2 is less maneuverable compared to Brahmos-1 because of high speed but still can do basic maneuvers needed to hit the static target.

Akash is supersonic.
Brahmos - 1 being a CM doesn't need to be as maneuverable as a SAM.

 

[NSG_Blackcats]

Akash is supersonic.

Agree Singhji.

The Akash uses an integral ramjet rocket propulsion system to give a low-volume, low-weight (700 kg launch weight) missile configuration, and has a low reaction time - from detection to missile launch - of 15 seconds. This allows the missile to carry a heavier warhead (60 kg). The solid-propellant booster accelerates the missile in 4.5 seconds to Mach 1.5, which is then jettisoned and the ramjet motor is then ignited for 30 seconds to Mach 2.8 - 3.5 at 20g.

In fact if I am not wrong Akash SAM maintains its supersonic speed during its entire flight not like some SAM getting to supersonic mode during the end of their flight path.

 

[Sridhar]

Different version of BrahMos to be tested

K. V. Prasad Share · print · T+

The Hindu India is preparing to test a different version of the supersonic BrahMos cruise missile currently deployed both in the Indian Army and the Navy.

India is preparing to test a different version of the supersonic BrahMos cruise missile currently deployed both in the Indian Army and the Navy.
The version for the army would be tested shortly for it efficacy to hit targets on surface after clearing natural obstruction requiring ascent and descent, defence sources said here.
The Air Force variant of BrahMos is also being prepared for test from the underbelly of a Sukhoi-MKI frontline fighter after earlier attempt to fix them under the wings was not successful.
The BrahMos, a joint venture of India and Russia, is also planning to expand its production capacity to reach a level of 100 missiles per year as against half of that number being produced at present.
At present, while India makes 25 missiles at its facilities in Hyderabad and Thiruvananthapuram. The rest of the missiles are being made by Russia there.



http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article107287.ece

 

[Pintu]

http://www.ptinews.com/news/520712_BrahMos-hypersonic-missile-to-touch-Mach-5-7-speeds

BrahMos hypersonic missile to touch Mach 5-7 speeds

STAFF WRITER 19:36 HRS IST

New Delhi, Feb 16 (PTI) Indo-Russian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace is working on a hypersonic cruise missile that can touch speeds ranging from five to seven times that of sound.

The cruise missile's supersonic version for the land forces can touch speeds of two times the speed of sound and has a 290-km range.

"The hypersonic version of the BrahMos, to be called BrahMos-II, is in its design and technological development stage. It will take some time to mature. But our aim is for it to touch Mach 5 to 7 speeds, making it the fastest cruise missile in the world," BrahMos' Chief Executive Officer A Sivathanu Pillai told PTI at the DefExpo here.

"The hypersonic missile, which will be smaller than BrahMos-I, will definitely provide an advantage to the Indian armed forces in future warfare," Pillai said when asked about the need for the missile.

 

[nitesh]

Different version of BrahMos to be tested


The Air Force variant of BrahMos is also being prepared for test from the underbelly of a Sukhoi-MKI frontline fighter after earlier attempt to fix them under the wings was not successful.

So here is confirmation that we will have one BrahMos per MKI not 3 as previously rumored

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100216...20100216190923

India ready to export cruise missiles: official

NEW DELHI (AFP) – India, which has built a supersonic cruise missile jointly with Russia, is holding talks with at least four countries to sell the weapons system, a senior Indian official said on Tuesday.

BrahMos Aerospace, a 50:50 tie-up with Russia, needs the approval of both governments to export the weapon which its makers claim is the world's fastest cruise missile, each costing up to three million dollars.

"We are in the process of getting the necessary permission (for sales)," A. Sivathanu Pillai, chief executive officer of BrahMos Aerospace said on the sidelines of an arms expo in New Delhi.

A senior company executive, who asked not to be named, told AFP "serious negotiations" were under way with South Africa, Brazil and Chile for a maritime version of the missile while Indonesia has been offered a land-based BrahMos.

The joint venture stipulates the missile cannot be sold to "unfriendly countries," the 10-billion-dollar joint venture's marketing chief Praveen Pathak added.

The missile can fly at a speed of one kilometre (0.62 mile) a second.

"We have no competition for the next 10 to 15 years from American or the French makers of cruise missiles as the BrahMos is the fastest and most cost-effective system ever to be built," Pillai said.

The BrahMos carries a 200-kilogram (440-pound) conventional warhead, has a range of 280 kilometres (175 miles). Indian and Russian experts started development work on the missile in 2001.

The missile, which gets its name from the rivers of India's Brahmaputra and Russia's Moscova, was inducted into the Indian military in 2007 as a frontline weapons system.

 

[Sridhar]

First Underwater Launch Imminent, BrahMos Holds Talks With P-75(I) Contenders

Caught up with BrahMos CEO Dr A Sivathanu Pillai this afternoon on Day 2 of DefExpo. Things are moving rapidly towards the missile's first underwater platform launch that is planned within the next three-four months. Minor modifications to the land version's low-thrust booster are complete for the cannisterised sub-surface launch, and the test will be conducted off the coast of Orissa possibly sometime in May or June this year.

At DefExpo today, in a closed meeting room behind the glitzy BrahMos pavillion, Dr Pillai and his partners from Russia's NPO Mashinostroeyenia met representatives of Russia's Rubin Design Bureau, designers of the Amur-class submarine, one of the possible contenders for the Indian Navy's Project 75 (India) licensed submarine building competition. Dr Pillai said detailed discussions were held on BrahMos as standard fit for the design that is finally offered to the Indian Navy. A similar meeting is scheduled for tomorrow when BrahMos engineers will meet counterparts from German submarine maker HDW, for discussions on its Class-214 boat, also potentially in contention for the six-boat licensed manufacturing deal with the Indian Navy. BrahMos' earlier desire to integrate the supersonic cruise missile with the fifth and sixth Scorpene boats to be manufactured at the Mazagon shipyard fell through after the Navy said it planned to integrate air-independent propulsion to the last two boats, thereby already increasing the length of the submarine considerably.

On the air-launched BrahMos, Dr Pillai said that launcher fabrication was underway at BrahMos' Trivandrum facility, and missile ground tests were currently underway, which include structural tests of the different cap-dome. Coming up soon are pyro-system reliability tests, which could take a huge test routine, with the test of an inert missile in one year. Following that will be the test of a technology missile -- fully loaded with all avionics and electronics, for drop-tests, pilot level operations tests etc, scheduled for 2011. The actual missile will be fired in full ops configuration in early 2012 if all goes well. The IAF has already committed two HAL Nashik-built Su-30MKIs for integration test between the middle of this year and 2012.

 

[sayareakd]

Here is question to all............

All are aware about the brahmos range, due to MTCR, restrictions,

enemy ships will try to stay away from the max range of Brahmos if launch from ship by IN. (they will be at the range of 350-500 km range)

Brahmos corporation cannot extend the range of these missile, but what if end user, will add boosters to few of these brahoms msisile so as to extend the range to further 100-200 km, by giving the contract to some other company (indian).

That way we Russians dont violate MTCR regulations, their must be no clause in the purchase agreement which says that IN shall not do any modification on the missile to suit its requirement.

We can do this till such time air launch version of Brahmos missiles are inducted in our arm forces.

 

[Armand2REP]

Here is question to all............

All are aware about the brahmos range, due to MTCR, restrictions,

enemy ships will try to stay away from the max range of Brahmos if launch from ship by IN. (they will be at the range of 350-500 km range)

Brahmos corporation cannot extend the range of these missile, but what if end user, will add boosters to few of these brahoms msisile so as to extend the range to further 100-200 km, by giving the contract to some other company (indian).

That way we Russians dont violate MTCR regulations, their must be no clause in the purchase agreement which says that IN shall not do any modification on the missile to suit its requirement.

We can do this till such time air launch version of Brahmos missiles are inducted in our arm forces.

End user can't touch it unless they want to face sanctions.

 

[sayareakd]

why sanction, after purchase you can modify to suit your role

does that mean a missile sold to the IN can not be used for IAF role or IA role. ???

or that if it is installed on ship cannot be take out of ship and used on plane.

 

[Armand2REP]

why sanction, after purchase you can modify to suit your role

does that mean a missile sold to the IN can not be used for IAF role or IA role. ???

or that if it is installed on ship cannot be take out of ship and used on plane.

There wouldn't be much point in MTCR if there weren't consequences for breaking the control regime.

 

[gb009]

MTCR guidelines : http://www.mtcr.info/english/guidetext.htm
5. Where the transfer could contribute to a delivery system for weapons of mass destruction, the Government will authorize transfers of items in the Annex only on receipt of appropriate assurances from the government of the recipient state that:
A. The items will be used only for the purpose stated and that such use will not be modified nor the items modified or replicated without the prior consent of the Government;
B. Neither the items nor replicas nor derivatives thereof will be re transferred without the consent of the Government.

So no modification etc by end-user is allowed.


@armand2Rep,
but the MTCR is an informal agreement. Does it have provision to impose sanctions? I don't mean to say that a country like US won't impose them (remember they are the ones who attacked Iraq betting they would find piles of WMD).

 

[Singh]

India is not a signatory to MTCR
India can modify the missile and claim it to be indigenous work, however no point in extending the range of Brahmos. It is huge as it is.
Shaurya can be used instead of Brahmos.