Astra BVRAAM

[Mindrapper]

Yeah, we should have killed their awacs in the first few second it self

That would have escalated big! Our war is not with Pakistan but Pakistan sponsored terrorists. We are a responsible state and do not hold any hostile posture towards our aggressive neighbor. We retaliated and brought down their F-16 only because they targeted our military camp , armament depots and fired at our Sukhois.

 

[Hydra3]

That would have escalated big! Our war is not with Pakistan but Pakistan sponsored terrorists. We are a responsible state and do not hold any hostile posture towards our aggressive neighbor. We retaliated and brought down their F-16 only because they targeted our military camp , armament depots and fired at our Sukhois.

Bullshit. The bombing done by india on balakot is an act of war by any standard. We have technically started the war on thatvday itself. We should have destroyed their command center in air the moment we saw the aggressor's population on other side.

And tgey retaliated with force on our own military complex, clearly an act of war. And why didn't we responded with force?

 

[ezsasa]

Bullshit. The bombing done by india on balakot is an act of war by any standard. We have technically started the war on thatvday itself. We should have destroyed their command center in air the moment we saw the aggressor's population on other side.

And tgey retaliated with force on our own military complex, clearly an act of war. And why didn't we responded with force?

Maintaining ambiguity and plausible deniability is part of Pakistan’s strategy, they chose those particular strategies because PR is their strength.

It was a political call whether to respond, and Indian govt chose not to respond. Don’t forget MI-17 was already down by that time, which India today & CNN-News18 deliberately & wrongly reported as Su-30 down.

I say deliberately because Mi-17 rotors were clearly visible, yet they called it Su-30.

 

[Mindrapper]

Bullshit. The bombing done by india on balakot is an act of war by any standard. We have technically started the war on thatvday itself. We should have destroyed their command center in air the moment we saw the aggressor's population on other side.

And tgey retaliated with force on our own military complex, clearly an act of war. And why didn't we responded with force?

Pakistan was just not the target for that day, it was aimed entirely at the Jaish-e-Mohammed. It has only became necessary because Pakistan has failed to control the terror group, and because India had information that another suicide attack was being planned. This non-military preemptive action was specifically targeted at the JeM camp.

Crossing the LOC was definitely an act of war but we dint mean nor do any harm to the state of Pakistan. We had our pilot in their custody and our priority was his safe return than a few F-16/AWACS or JF-17 kills.

 

[Hydra3]

Pakistan was just not the target for that day, it was aimed entirely at the Jaish-e-Mohammed. It has only became necessary because Pakistan has failed to control the terror group, and because India had information that another suicide attack was being planned. This non-military preemptive action was specifically targeted at the JeM camp.

Crossing the LOC was definitely an act of war but we dint mean nor do any harm to the state of Pakistan. We had our pilot in their custody and our priority was his safe return than a few F-16/AWACS or JF-17 kills.

If we had managed to shoot down their awacs, there wouldn't be any abhinandan incident.

 

[Mindrapper]

If we had managed to shoot down their awacs, there wouldn't be any abhinandan incident.

What will you shoot the AWACS with? It doesn't fly in strikable range. Did any of our aircraft get a lock on?

 

[Hydra3]

What will you shoot the AWACS with? It doesn't fly in strikable range. Did any of our aircraft get a lock on?

The only really long range AAMs which would have made a difference on 27th Feb are Russian R-37s.

With this... what we dont have on that day is r37 like missile

 

[Hydra3]

Pakistan was just not the target for that day, it was aimed entirely at the Jaish-e-Mohammed. It has only became necessary because Pakistan has failed to control the terror group, and because India had information that another suicide attack was being planned. This non-military preemptive action was specifically targeted at the JeM camp.

Crossing the LOC was definitely an act of war but we dint mean nor do any harm to the state of Pakistan. We had our pilot in their custody and our priority was his safe return than a few F-16/AWACS or JF-17 kills.

We didn't retaliated after tye attack and we are unable to produce the evidence for the fallen f16..


And this is what they are blabbering now...

 

[Assassin 2.0]

We didn't retaliated after tye attack and we are unable to produce the evidence for the fallen f16..


And this is what they are blabbering now...

Why you care so much what they are blabbering?.

Btw R-37 is technically useless against A fast moving jet it's more useful against Awacs.
To shot a jet missiles need to do tight maneuvers.

 

[Hydra3]

Why you care so much what they are blabbering?.

Btw R-37 is technically useless against A fast moving jet it's more useful against Awacs.
To shot a jet missiles need to do tight maneuvers.

Thats wahat i am. Telling r37 vs pakistan awacs

 

[Mindrapper]

With this... what we dont have on that day is r37 like missile

Like you said it, "We dint have it". Its as simple as that. Even if we had it, the only delivery platform is the Su 30 MKI and its FCR can only engage targets as far as 200 kms away and as you would know, an AWAC can safely operate far away from its striking range.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Thats wahat i am. Telling r37 vs pakistan awacs

If india wanted to go to that depth then within hours their would have been no PAF left.

Don't be sentimental about Mig-21 go crashed? Tell me which airforce haven't got it's jet crashed isreali F-16 was shot by Some terrorist scums few days Back a CIA plane was shot by Taliban. Few months back Iran launched missile strike on US. Us didn't response back does that mean they lost the strategic fight? India strike Pakistan back by Removing article 370.

 

[Hydra3]

If india wanted to go to that depth then within hours their would have been no PAF left.

Don't be sentimental about Mig-21 go crashed? Tell me which airforce haven't got it's jet crashed isreali F-16 was shot by Some terrorist scums few days Back a CIA plane was shot by Taliban. Few months back Iran launched missile strike on US. Us didn't response back does that mean they lost the strategic fight? India strike Pakistan back by Removing article 370.

No friend, dont be over confident. Multiple reports were emerged that we lags in few crucial areas like EW& ECCM, bvr, awacs. Pakistan as country may be a joke to the modern society, but not the PAF. We may not have easy flyover in the full scale as of now, thanks to the last 20 years of lethargic way dealing with defense. Infact after George fernandez, all those sit as DM are jokers.

And mig 21 jus didn't crash, it got shoot down on enemy fire. We cannot blame IAF or Abhinandan for that, they fought that skirmish with whatever they are provided.

And again, dont compare india pakistan with US Iran.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

No friend, dont be over confident. Multiple reports were emerged that we lags in few crucial areas like EW& ECCM, bvr, awacs. Pakistan as country may be a joke to the modern society, but not the PAF. We may not have easy flyover in the full scale as of now, thanks to the last 20 years of lethargic way dealing with defense. Infact after George fernandez, all those sit as DM are jokers.

And mig 21 jus didn't crash, it got shoot down on enemy fire. We cannot blame IAF or Abhinandan for that, they fought that skirmish with whatever they are provided.

And again, dont compare india pakistan with US Iran.

Do you even know the capabilities of 270 Su-30 and 66 Mig-29 UPG and 46 Mirage2k + Tejas. all mig-21 jaguar and all these alone will make sure PAF is totally destroyed in total air to air conflict.
And capabilities of phalcon radar is a 360 yes there is short fall in awacs but things are changing now DRDO soon is going to get order for more netra awacs and not to forget future SAM Systems which are going to be inducted S-400 alone will push PAF in corner.

 

[JBH22]

Thats wahat i am. Telling r37 vs pakistan awacs

The ten years of UPA seriously neglected modernisation of forces.saint Anthony was like no work no stress. But surprisingly IAF planners seem to be caught unaware nothing was done to counter acquisition of AWACS and aim120 missile. The plan to acquire so called novator missile from Russia remain rumour only.

 

[Hydra3]

The ten years of UPA seriously neglected modernisation of forces.saint Anthony was like no work no stress. But surprisingly IAF planners seem to be caught unaware nothing was done to counter acquisition of AWACS and aim120 missile. The plan to acquire so called novator missile from Russia remain rumour only.

Darkest era of in defense sector, he is the second worst DM after VK Krishna menon.
But i will tell modi government also incapable, slightly better than upa. Tge real gem was Adalji & Fernandez combo

Do you even know the capabilities of 270 Su-30 and 66 Mig-29 UPG and 46 Mirage2k + Tejas. all mig-21 jaguar and all these alone will make sure PAF is totally destroyed in total air to air conflict.
And capabilities of phalcon radar is a 360 yes there is short fall in awacs but things are changing now DRDO soon is going to get order for more netra awacs and not to forget future SAM Systems which are going to be inducted S-400 alone will push PAF in corner.

Su30's & mirages communication,radar etc were jammed. Tejas is yet to get foc and not combat ready, they were flying without even a gun, jaguars are strike fighter. Phalcon cannot do data link with su30 & mig 29. Back then s400 were not there.

 

[Hydra3]

Do you even know the capabilities of 270 Su-30 and 66 Mig-29 UPG and 46 Mirage2k + Tejas. all mig-21 jaguar and all these alone will make sure PAF is totally destroyed in total air to air conflict.
And capabilities of phalcon radar is a 360 yes there is short fall in awacs but things are changing now DRDO soon is going to get order for more netra awacs and not to forget future SAM Systems which are going to be inducted S-400 alone will push PAF in corner.

Su30's & mirages communication,radar etc were jammed. Tejas is yet to get foc and not combat ready, they were flying without even a gun, jaguars are strike fighter. Phalcon cannot do data link withsu30 & mig 29. Back then s400 were not there.
And dont boast abot 369 degree coverage, its an added advantage not a necessary on india pak front.

S400 still a defensive weapon, it can take down any intruding aircraft but for air superiority we need jaam proof aircrafts with long range missiles. At present we dont have both.
We may become victories, but with heavy attrition

 

[porky_kicker]

Imagine porkies trooping to DFI for their shitty cyber jihad

Kawa jitna bhi mour ka chal chale , kawa hi rahega

These morons are so predictable

 

[sorcerer]

Imagine porkies trooping to DFI for their shitty cyber jihad

Kawa jitna bhi mour ka chal chale , kawa hi rahega

These morons are so predictable

The moment they got butt hurt and started posting... cuz we started bashing thier dead pilot..their true color was out!

 

[Raj Malhotra]

R-37M missile has become more versatile & maneuverable since R-33 variant. Its fully capable of not only taking on fighter aircraft but also Cruise missiles apart from AWACS etc.

If we need a readily available ultra long range missile for a short scrap then there is no other option except R-37M.

Though NGRAM with long, thin profile & big wingspan, can also be readily repurposed as VLR BVRAAM.