Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

[Vamsi]

I think IVC will eventually turn out to be the homeland of ALL IE languages and the homeland of PIE.
I think so, because IVC archeology reflects the Vedas in one very crucial aspect.
The Rig Ved considers a section of Aryavarta, known as Brahmavarta, as the ' nucleus' of the Aryans.
The manu smriti considers this region to be the 'place of creation' by Brahma.

Where is this place ? Well the location of Brahmavarta is consistent through the ages - its described as the land between the Saraswati river & Drishadvati river - the latter originating from lake Pushkar & flowing north to join with Saraswati. This region roughly corresponds with Western Haryana and North-Eastern Rajasthan.
The Brahmanas say that the Rig Ved was composed on the banks of the Drishadvati, in Brahmavarta, close to its confluence with the Saraswati, particularly, near Dhosi hill- an extremely important Vedic site.

We have seals from as late as Gupta period, from Indraprastha region ( Delhi) saying 'brahmavarta'.

Now, where do we find the OLDEST IVC/proto-IVC site in the Indian subcontinent ?
Its NOT Mehrgarh, its Bhirrana- dated 500 years older than Mehrgarh, at 7500 BCE. Or 9500 years ago.
And where is Bhirrana ?
IN Brahmavarta.
Where is the oldest and largest IVC city - Rakhigarhi-located ? In Brahmavarta
Which area of the IVC has by far the densest concentration of sites ? Brahmavarta - where the districts of Hanumangarh(Rajasthan), Hisar & Bhiwani ( Haryana) contains more than 10 IVC and pre-IVC sites.

So to me, it is quite clear, that THIS region is the core of Aryavarta.

every one without any prejudice,will easily understand that IVC is Vedic, but only people with special interests will reject the evidence.....the identification of IVC whether it's Vedic or not is purely political,not science

 

[GaudaNaresh]

every one without any prejudice,will easily understand that IVC is Vedic, but only people with special interests will reject the evidence.....the identification of IVC whether it's Vedic or not is purely political,not science

There are three types who reject IVC= Vedic

1. White supremacists (latent or overt) : To them, the whole notion of 'we wuz cavemen at borders of Europe, then cavemen came to Europe+India+Iran and gradually settled down and became civilised' is a way to keep their 'we are the true/original strand of IE speakers' alive. To them, the notion that IVC- a highly advanced, nay, THE MOST advanced bronze age civilisation on the planet being PIE means that they were at one point Indians and are Indian immigrants and that fucks with their supremacy notion.

2. Dravidian retards - They have the 'african american' victim complex going vs the mythic aryans, without the actual slavery & oppression to go along with it. To them, IVC reprsents a 'we wuz KANGS' notion, where civilised benevolent Dravidians got replaced by barbarian savages from the north.

3. Muzzies. To them, proving that Aryans came from outside India is CRITICAL in peddling the 'see, the barbarian genocidal warmongering arabs/turks who came to India were no different than the hindus who also came to India' notion.

This is the unholy trinity against the truth, for these are the vested interests to argue against material evidence.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

The whole ' IVC was dravidian and Brahui represents the remnant of the Dravidian language in the area' idea is dealt a fatal blow by the simple fact that Brahui language has loanwords from Baloch language & middle farsi, which did not exist till 1400 years ago. If Brahui is the remnant of the IVC era dravidian language, then it'd have had extensive loanwords from Old Farsi, aka Avestan Farsi & Achaemenid Era farsi, given that the Achaemenids ruled in the area and its vicinity.
So clearly Brahui cannot be present in the region for more than 1400 years.

 

[Azaad]

Along with excavations in & around Haryana we ought to be focusing on UP particularly it's central & eastern parts or the Sarayupar as it's been known since pre historical times.

Lahuradewa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The History of Lahuradewa

Lahuradewa is a village in eastern Uttar Pradesh. The site has been occupied since as early as 10,000 BC, and by 7,000 BC it provides the oldest evidence of pottery in South Asia. Excavations here …

prehistoryofindia.wordpress.com

The ?first farmer? belonged to (UP) India, says ASI

CHINA?S ?FIRST farmer? crown is up for grabs! Archaeological findings in Lahuradeva in Sant Kabir Nagar district have indicated that the Middle Ganga Valley (Uttar Pradesh) might have been home to the First Farmer.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

They are going to do everything they can to make us "forget" our own identity. We must fight hard to retain this identity!

 

[Vamsi]

These aren't just coincidences
@GaudaNaresh @Tactical Doge @FalconSlayers @Swesh @Azaad @LondonParisTokyo and others

 

[GaudaNaresh]

These aren't just coincidences
@GaudaNaresh @Tactical Doge @FalconSlayers @Swesh @Azaad @LondonParisTokyo and others

Stop posting fake forgeries of chaddis. Everyone knows that these things come from Norway and Denmark, where the chad Aryans actually come from. Isn't it enough that they were moved halfway between Norway and India, ie Ukraine, to satisfy you veggie-heads ? I mean whats next ? You will be claiming your ancestors taught the world how to count properly too ??

 

[Steven Rogers]

There are three types who reject IVC= Vedic

1. White supremacists (latent or overt) : To them, the whole notion of 'we wuz cavemen at borders of Europe, then cavemen came to Europe+India+Iran and gradually settled down and became civilised' is a way to keep their 'we are the true/original strand of IE speakers' alive. To them, the notion that IVC- a highly advanced, nay, THE MOST advanced bronze age civilisation on the planet being PIE means that they were at one point Indians and are Indian immigrants and that fucks with their supremacy notion.

2. Dravidian retards - They have the 'african american' victim complex going vs the mythic aryans, without the actual slavery & oppression to go along with it. To them, IVC reprsents a 'we wuz KANGS' notion, where civilised benevolent Dravidians got replaced by barbarian savages from the north.

3. Muzzies. To them, proving that Aryans came from outside India is CRITICAL in peddling the 'see, the barbarian genocidal warmongering arabs/turks who came to India were no different than the hindus who also came to India' notion.

This is the unholy trinity against the truth, for these are the vested interests to argue against material evidence.

Whole of the moolnivasi movement takes its inspiration from the slavery literature of blacks in America, just replace whites with UC and blacks with moolnivasi. And all this happened itself in British and later gradually mutated as the times past.
Black panthers became dalit panthers in india(maharastra)with the same modus operandi.

 

[Vamsi]

These aren't just coincidences
@GaudaNaresh @Tactical Doge @FalconSlayers @Swesh @Azaad @LondonParisTokyo and others

Stop posting fake forgeries of chaddis. Everyone knows that these things come from Norway and Denmark, where the chad Aryans actually come from. Isn't it enough that they were moved halfway between Norway and India, ie Ukraine, to satisfy you veggie-heads ? I mean whats next ? You will be claiming your ancestors taught the world how to count properly too ??

One more

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Whole of the moolnivasi movement takes its inspiration from the slavery literature of blacks in America, just replace whites with UC and blacks with moolnivasi. And all this happened itself in British and later gradually mutated as the times past.
Black panthers became dalit panthers in india(maharastra)with the same modus operandi.

moolnivasi ?!?

 

[Steven Rogers]

moolnivasi ?!?

5000 years of oppression
UC- videshi aryan from Eurasia
LC:- moolnivasi indians

 

[GaudaNaresh]

5000 years of oppression
UC- videshi aryan from Eurasia
LC:- moolnivasi indians

i meant i am not familiar with the term "moolnivasi".

UC having higher foreign DNA input doesn't make UC foreigners. Rather, its the SAME reason why Chinese nobility had higher % of Steppe DNA than the masses, Iranian nobility(for last 1000+ years) has more turkic DNA than the masses, upper class Algerians & Moroccans have higher % of semetic DNA : conquering foreigners, when integrated into the host society tend to integrate into the upper classes. Like freaking DUH.

If me and a bunch of my people come and conquer you, then over time, assimilate into the local population, OBVIOUSLY we are gonna marry into the rich & nobility class of society. Its true even amongst regular immigrants today-when you see desis or Chinese marry goras in the west, they end up marrying in the upper middle class- not trailer trash hillbillies...

 

[RedHood108]

5000 years of oppression
UC- videshi aryan from Eurasia
LC:- moolnivasi indians

This misconception has already been debunked by genealogists.



Dr. Niraj Rai who has headed several government projects of ancient DNA sequencing has revealed many facts that counter this popular misconception.

The ancient origin of cast.

• They have found evidence of cast based homogamy amoung several Indian communities that date back to 4600 years. Specially the Agarwals of North India & the Vaishyas of Andhra.
• This is only possible if the cast system was solidified close to 5000 years back, for it to leave a permanent marker on the genes of the individual.
• This goes against the common belief that the cast system was solidified around 600 bc (2600 years back)

Steppe people are not Upper Cast Aryans.

• The highest concentration of Steppe DNA has been found in the Schedule Tribes living in the forests of Bundelkhand region.
• Followed by some isolated brahmin groups.
• This diversity in the concentration of Steppe DNA concludes that blatant generalization of Steppe people as upper cast aryans is absolutely wrong.
• The Steppe DNA mixed with the Indian population only around 500 bc.

Upper Cast Aryans are not from Eastern Europe.

• The genetic diversity of R1a haplogroup found in India is much higher than that found in Eastern Europe.
• There is no way a population with less genetic diversity will give rise to a population of higher genetic diversity.
• Eastern Europe has a high percentage of Neanderthal DNA which is either completely absent or negligible in India.
• The R1a gene found in India is far more ancient than the East European ones.
• Only problem is the warm & humid climate of India is bad for conservation of genetic material where as dry & arid climate of central asia & Eastern Europe better conservatives the DNA.

There are many more interesting topics discussed in the video which is not within the ambit of Aryan Invasion Hypothesis. But still very interesting.

 

[Vamsi]

We can find many more such evidences at IVC,but none in steppes or in Afghanistan,but IVC isn't Vedic as per exfarts

 

[Steven Rogers]

i meant i am not familiar with the term "moolnivasi".

UC having higher foreign DNA input doesn't make UC foreigners. Rather, its the SAME reason why Chinese nobility had higher % of Steppe DNA than the masses, Iranian nobility(for last 1000+ years) has more turkic DNA than the masses, upper class Algerians & Moroccans have higher % of semetic DNA : conquering foreigners, when integrated into the host society tend to integrate into the upper classes. Like freaking DUH.

If me and a bunch of my people come and conquer you, then over time, assimilate into the local population, OBVIOUSLY we are gonna marry into the rich & nobility class of society. Its true even amongst regular immigrants today-when you see desis or Chinese marry goras in the west, they end up marrying in the upper middle class- not trailer trash hillbillies...

Largest part of Indian DNA still comes from IVC. In india we have non ruling pastoral classes which weren't even assimilated into indian caste system untill very recent(medievel era)and were looked down upon by the classic Brahmin kshatriya vaishya classes have highest steppe ancestry.

 

[RedHood108]

Largest part of Indian DNA still comes from IVC. In india we have non ruling pastoral classes which weren't even assimilated into indian caste system untill very recent(medievel era)and were looked down upon by the classic Brahmin kshatriya vaishya classes have highest steppe ancestry.

Since the last 3000 years several communities have migrated into the Indian subcontinent. Which only stopped by the 19th century.

The Greeks came as Yavana. The Schythians as Saka. The Kushans. The Huns. The Parthians. All of these groups came & got absorbed into the Indian gene pool.

As we see the archaeological source. These groups as they settled in India adopted the Indian culture. Because Buddhist & Hindus took Indian names & issued coins with images of Hindu gods.

As the ruling class in many areas, they must have got adopted into the Higher casts naturally.

Now to use that genetic admixture to claim that the entire upper cast is of Foreign origin is wrong. That feeds on to the same western propaganda.

Just watch the video I shared. It will clear your misconception. Thr Upper casts have higher R1a haplogroup concentration which was already present in the Indian subcontinent before the Steppe migration.

Steppe DNA is just a branch of the R1a haplogroup, not the only source.

 

[Azaad]

New Research Shows Sanskrit Evolved BEFORE The Indus Valley Civilization

The new findings contradict some established historical notions.

swarajyamag.com

 

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[Haldilal]

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