Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

[Freakk]

More interesting evidence :

There have been other studies which indirecly prove migration from India to eurofagland.
Otzi Man and H. pylori infection - Otzi Man or the european iceman was recovered from the Alps frozen. His mtDNA and Y-DNA reflected iranian ancestry, yet the Helicobactor pylori bacteria recovered from his stomach was of the Indian breed. This finding established that fact that the H. pylori infection reached europe from India.Researchers have extracted the oldest complete genome sequence of a pathogen yet, from the body of the 5,300-year-old ice mummy otzi kek.

See - https://www.nature.com/news/famous-ancient-iceman-had-familiar-stomach-infection-1.19127

Mice migration:

The domestic mouse is a domestic pest of farming culture. It has been shown by a large number of studies that the domestic mice, shrew and rat have originated in India, were domesticated in India, and they migrated with the humans with the neolithic migration. It is an further circumstantial evidence of Indian origin of farming culture.

See - https://www.academia.edu/2504657/Of...elation_of_the_liked_journeys_of_mice_and_men


On Cows :

It had been found that all the zebu cows of the world are of Indian origin .

See - https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/27/1/1/1127118

It has been shown that the Ukrainian cows, as well as East european piedmont etc and mongolian and even South Chinese cows migrated from India in a domesticated form long back. Even the central asian cattle recovered from neolithic and bronze ages belong to Indian variety Zebu.

See - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19603063/

Lots of authors also show a gross retardation of published literature pertaining to the migration issues. The fact is simple that Man did not migrate alone. It migrated with its diseases, its pets and pests.

Bhai @asaffRonladofrisingsun can u give some soirces about the Indian origin of r1a z93?

I know haplogroup R1 and r1a originated in India or just close to it but what about r1a z93 subclade?

The sintashta subclade of z93 is the z2124 different from Indian l657 subcalde of z93 .

 

[Freakk]

Bhai @asaffRonladofrisingsun can u give some soirces about the Indian origin of r1a z93?

I know haplogroup R1 and r1a originated in India or just close to it but what about r1a z93 subclade?

The sintashta subclade of z93 is the z2124 different from Indian l657 subcalde of z93 .

Hope to btfo eurofags.


I will soon write a thread on non euroepan origins of greek and western civilization.

The real greeks who built greek statues,àrt,greek science were not Europeans and were from asia/Anatolia and were more relatéd to Lebanese and some Arabs than to snowni&&er anglos and germanics.


Ancient Greeks mentioned how they learned physics and maths from Egypt,art and alphabet from phoenecians .

And all the important discoveries and academics were done by asian Greeks from Anatolia whó were native anatolians hellenized by cultural contact.

Same way anatolians gave rise to etruscan Civilization.

The other Greeks who were from europe-the dorians,Spartans,Acaheans, aeolians did nothing in academics and science.


Also ancient Greeks had a Genetic component of 50% related to indus valley and bmac people

 

[Freakk]

More evidence of y-dna (male lineages) too migrated from India clear case of Out of India Migration :

Folks , aitfags do lots of propaganda that r1a has been detected in sintashta but not reveal here that the ancient samples from sintashta etc belonged to which branch—Indic branch or eurofag branch. The fact is that they all belonged to the Indian branch Z93. This research has clarified this matter unequivocally:

Further evidence that migrations originating as far west as central europe may not have had an important impact on the Late Bronze Age steppe comes from the fact that the Srubnaya possess exclusively (n=6) R1a Y-chromosomes (Supplementary Data Table 1), and four of them (and one Poltavka male) belonged to haplogroup R1a-Z93 which is common in central/south Asians, very rare in present-day europeans, and absent in all ancient central europeans.”

See - https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16152

As we can see , and this research paper concludes that the eurofag branch never came to India but the Indian branch did go to eurofagland.

““Importantly, the virtual absence of M458 chromosomes outside europe speaks against substantial patrilineal gene flow from east europe to Asia, including to India, at least since the mid-Holocene.”"

See - https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2009194

Had people come from europe to India or even from Ukraine to India, this ,malechcha branch which is called r1a-m458 must have arrived to India. On the other hand the Indian branch R1a-Z93 is present in europe up to hungary and poland. Even in sintashta,the ancient DNAs recovered are of the Indic R1a-Z93 and not the eurofag variety, which was reproduced only after the main trunk reached well inside eurofagland.

See - https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16152

Actually,Indian r1a isn't from sintahsta, and sintahsta had different branch of z93

Indians have the l657 branch of z93 while sintahsta had the z2124 branch which is absent in india destroying any myths that sinthasta invaded India.

Also,date of spread of l657 in India is 2500 bce, 500 years before the birth of sintashta

 

[Freakk]

Question is who are the AASI than. At first it was believed that AASI were the IVC which moved down.
Tamil Tribals have the lowest AANI could it be that they are the root of AASI.

Aasi is a very óld component in india of the Eurasian branch related to onge.

It was restricted to south India for 90% of history.
Aasi split from the out of Africa migrations and evolved inside india.
Tianyuan man of China ,the father of ydnda R,Q,r1a,r1b,N,O was aasi in genetics and phenotype.

AASI are aboriginal Indians, later some of them Migrated to Sindhu river valley, mixed with IranN and formed IVC

IVC = AASI + IranN

Even for IVC people,the frequency of AASI is high, atleast it is 60% I think, correct me if I'm wrong.

As far a AANI is concerned, I think it is hypothetical, there is no actual aDNA sample of AANI

AASI admix is absent in early stages of ivc like mehrgarh.

Early and middle stages of ivc are 100% iranN with some samlles being 10% ANE +90% IRAN_N.

It's not until 3000 bc we find samples with aasi Ancestry

 

[Freakk]

Hmm yes this changes much. Chances are IVC and Saraswati civilization were the same.

So no ancestral South Indian in IVC? That would throw the Dravid larp in the dustbin.

Actually sumerians,elamites,jirfot,bmac,pre proto indo europeans ,indus valley are all the same people.

Iran_N.

This is the reason Brahmin look different,they have more iranN while South indians and lower caste have more AASI.

AASI was absent from the first stage of Indus valley which was mehrgarh 7000 bce.
They were 100% iran_N people.
This refutes the Dravidian larp about indus valley being Dravidian aasi.
Most stages of indus valley was more related to Iranians like balochis and tajiks than to aasi tribals.

AASI was limited to south india until 4000 bce and were doing hunter gatherer lifestyle ín south india until iran_n people came and influenced them.

Today lower castes and tribals of South India are 10% iran_n while upper çasfe are 40-50% iran_N and 50% aasi

Balochis are 70-80% iran_N and only 5% aasi

 

[Freakk]

The Crux or the argument is Modern day Dravidian = IVC people which moved down south and North Indian = Aryans who moved in after destruction of IVC between 1800 to 1500.

3D

Zooropean Languages (and DNA) Were Carried from EAST

Europe's Languages Were Carried From the East, DNA Shows

Geneticists have uncovered evidence of a westward migration in Europe about 4,500 years ago—and that may explain a long-standing mystery about language.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Europeans literally speak iranian language,see the new paper by lazarids et al 2022 and Max Planck proto indo european theory,they mention how iran_n/chg were the first indo europeans and this langauge comes from north iran.
This iranN component split into three branches,one went to Anatolia and started the hittite Civilization and empire, one branch came to india composing the rig veda and the other branch invaded steppe and then invaded europe(yamnaya and proto corded ware were 50% iranN/chg and 50% ehg) ehg are related to indians by their shared ANE Ancestry.
This branch which invaded europe mixed with european women after killing farmer european men and spread their iranian religion, Langauge, culture.


Literally the Aryan invasion theory has been reversed on Europeans which is also the truth.

Europeans were invaded by siberians and Iranians and all euroepan men were killed.
These men spread their language and culture and genocided most of the people in europe

 

[Vamsi]

@Freakk what do you think?? Iran is PIE home land??

 

[Freakk]

@Freakk what do you think?? Iran is PIE home land??

Yes,kind of.
It's our homeland too in a way.
A lot of people here too much Nationalistic and ignore many facts.

Indus valley people,the iran_n Ancestry which built the stages of indus valley and the mehrgarh culture was done when farmers and herders migrated from zagros moutnains and Iranian plateau to areas of Afghanistan,pakistan and northwest India and they established the indus mehrgarh culture there at 8000-7000bce.
Although,it dosent end here,there were subsequent migrations from iran bringing newer iran_N Ancestry over the time after the start of mehrgarh 7000 bce.


So,we can say indus valley and Indian state was established by people who migrated from iran,and we are descended from them.


Although you must differentiate between ancient iran_N people and modenr day Iranians,they are a bit different.
Modern iranians, although they have partial iran_N Ancestry,they have other Ancestry too like anatolian farmer,natufian from Levant/Arabia.
So they are not pure iran_N and mixed with Anatolians and ancient people from Arabia.(not modern Arabs)
While we are mixed with AASI hunter gatherers

It will sound a bit shocking but the thing is iran_N and AASI are very unrelated,they don't have anything much to do with each other.
They are as much related as people of caucasus/Georgia,native Americans and aasi as related.


Although,there's 10% Chinese aasi Ancestry in iran_N and chg,native Americans.
This might sound complex but the thing is that the ANE,iran_N,chg,native Americans are descended Partially from tianyuan man.
And tianyuan man had aasi Ancestry.

What i am trying to say is that iran_N has nothing exclusive to do with AASI compared to other people
Iran_N is as related to AASI as native Americans and AASI are related or people of caucasus and AASI are related.
To summarise,there's no special exception relation between aasi and iran_N.
Iran_N is more related to native Americans,some Siberian groups than to Andaman islanders like onge,or south Indian tribals who are 80-90% AASI

Btw,both native Americans,many people from Siberia and north indians,Kashmiris,balochis have 40-45% ANE Ancestry which is common among us

Native Americans have 50% east asian/Chinese type Ancestry while Kashmiris,balochis,indians, have 30-40% dzudzuana hunter gatherer Ancestry from iran and Caucasus(we also have 10-30% aasi Ancestry)
Also,this dzudzuana Ancestry is present among Europeans,Arabs,north Africans,etc

 

[Freakk]

@Freakk what do you think?? Iran is PIE home land??

According to Max Planck institute and Harvard University,yes north west iran is the PIE homeland,not europe.

This caused many europeans to get angry since they now have to accept they speak a middle eastern asian language and they are not native to europe

 

[Vamsi]

Yes,kind of.
It's our homeland too in a way.
A lot of people here too much Nationalistic and ignore many facts.

Indus valley people,the iran_n Ancestry which built the stages of indus valley and the mehrgarh culture was done when farmers and herders migrated from zagros moutnains and Iranian plateau to areas of Afghanistan,pakistan and northwest India and they established the indus mehrgarh culture there at 8000-7000bce.
Although,it dosent end here,there were subsequent migrations from iran bringing newer iran_N Ancestry over the time after the start of mehrgarh 7000 bce.


So,we can say indus valley and Indian state was established by people who migrated from iran,and we are descended from them.


Although you must differentiate between ancient iran_N people and modenr day Iranians,they are a bit different.
Modern iranians, although they have partial iran_N Ancestry,they have other Ancestry too like anatolian farmer,natufian from Levant/Arabia.
So they are not pure iran_N and mixed with Anatolians and ancient people from Arabia.(not modern Arabs)
While we are mixed with AASI hunter gatherers

It will sound a bit shocking but the thing is iran_N and AASI are very unrelated,they don't have anything much to do with each other.
They are as much related as people of caucasus/Georgia,native Americans and aasi as related.


Although,there's 10% Chinese aasi Ancestry in iran_N and chg,native Americans.
This might sound complex but the thing is that the ANE,iran_N,chg,native Americans are descended Partially from tianyuan man.
And tianyuan man had aasi Ancestry.

What i am trying to say is that iran_N has nothing exclusive to do with AASI compared to other people
Iran_N is as related to AASI as native Americans and AASI are related or people of caucasus and AASI are related.
To summarise,there's no special exception relation between aasi and iran_N.
Iran_N is more related to native Americans,some Siberian groups than to Andaman islanders like onge,or south Indian tribals who are 80-90% AASI

Btw,both native Americans,many people from Siberia and north indians,Kashmiris,balochis have 40-45% ANE Ancestry which is common among us

Native Americans have 50% east asian/Chinese type Ancestry while Kashmiris,balochis,indians, have 30-40% dzudzuana hunter gatherer Ancestry from iran and Caucasus(we also have 10-30% aasi Ancestry)
Also,this dzudzuana Ancestry is present among Europeans,Arabs,north Africans,etc

According to Max Planck institute and Harvard University,yes north west iran is the PIE homeland,not europe.

This caused many europeans to get angry since they now have to accept they speak a middle eastern asian language and they are not native to europe

But Genetics completely contradicts with the the literary evidence & Saraswati river evidence...

Oldest mandala of Rigveda i.e 6th Mandala completely focuses on geography east of Sarasvati and goes as far as modern day Bihar but there is not a single mention of anything west of Sarasvati ....

Also the internal chronological evidence posts Avesta at the time of new mandalas of RV

As far as Sarasvati river evidence goes .... Ghaggar-Hakra is clearly the original sarasvati, while the so called haraxvaiti of Afghan is the second river...

All 3 above combined proves that India is PIE homeland.....now this brings us back to the new question, i.e what is tha actual origin of IranN??

 

[The Juggernaut]

How close we are to deciphering Indus valley script?

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Bhai @asaffRonladofrisingsun can u give some soirces about the Indian origin of r1a z93?

I know haplogroup R1 and r1a originated in India or just close to it but what about r1a z93 subclade?

The sintashta subclade of z93 is the z2124 different from Indian l657 subcalde of z93 .

That would be Poznik 2016 et al found in his study that there were some punctuated burst of a branch of R1a, aka R1a-Z93, in the Sindhu Sarasvati population at about 2000-2500bce. Yes sinhasta males were all the z2124+ unrelated to Us.

 

[Freakk]

But Genetics completely contradicts with the the literary evidence & Saraswati river evidence...

Oldest mandala of Rigveda i.e 6th Mandala completely focuses on geography east of Sarasvati and goes as far as modern day Bihar but there is not a single mention of anything west of Sarasvati ....

Also the internal chronological evidence posts Avesta at the time of new mandalas of RV

As far as Sarasvati river evidence goes .... Ghaggar-Hakra is clearly the original sarasvati, while the so called haraxvaiti of Afghan is the second river...

All 3 above combined proves that India is PIE homeland.....now this brings us back to the new question, i.e what is tha actual origin of IranN??

I waa offline for some days, actually this hypothesis cnt be accepted internationally or with review because iranN Ancestry found in yamnaya, caucasus,mehrgarh lacks aasi dna,this can't be possible if iranN or PIE developed in india since this would mean that iranN would have mixed with aasi,which we don't see in yamnaya/PIE or other areas

 

[Vamsi]

I waa offline for some days, actually this hypothesis cnt be accepted internationally or with review because iranN Ancestry found in yamnaya, caucasus,mehrgarh lacks aasi dna,this can't be possible if iranN or PIE developed in india since this would mean that iranN would have mixed with aasi,which we don't see in yamnaya/PIE or other areas

It means genetic evidence must be re examined, because,at the end of the day AMT says that Aryas came to India from outside, & hence it must definitely match with the RV evidences

 

[Freakk]

It means genetic evidence must be re examined, because,at the end of the day AMT says that Aryas came to India from outside, & hence it must definitely match with the RV evidences

Well,AMT can fk themselves,this is a game of semantics now,firstly all people come from outside india one time or the other,even aasi and onge.


Secondly ,what makes AMT bad is when they claim that Aryans were Europeans or were related to Europeans,which is wrong and impossible with the Iranian origin theory of Max Planck institute.


In the Iranian origin theory,Aryans and indus valley founders were identical gentically .

 

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[WarmongerLSK]

Lol I saw this this morning.

Do go through the thread here: This was in response when someone said that because of its properties, anything can be written as sanskrit if tried hard enough. Thats why he tried to write that Qoran's passage in sanskrit.

FWIW, the below that guys's criticism of Yagnadevam's paper showing IVC script was sanskrit.

Spoiler: backup

View attachment 190638

But I have a question regarding this. My understanding of Yagnadevam's paper is that basically, if the script can be written as a language, the script is that language. But the paper maps between letters and he is talking about sounds right? Are these 2 the same?

My bad, the paper does map SVC symbols to sanskrit sounds.

Spoiler: backup

View attachment 190653

 

[WarmongerLSK]

@asaffronladoftherisingsun pls explain what that graph is in the tweet. Thanks!

Spoiler: Backup

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

@asaffronladoftherisingsun pls explain what that graph is in the tweet. Thanks!

Spoiler: Backup

View attachment 190718

What part exactly you did not get? YajnaDevam elaborated already.

 

[WarmongerLSK]

What part exactly you did not get? YajnaDevam elaborated already.

I meant the graph itself, what is on the x and y axis.