Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

[cannonfodder]

Old Ani Asi model had lots of ghotala wrt principle component analyses and lots of data was willingly omitted under sampled population samples etc etc etc. Then there is another issues wrt to Tmrca formation dates because R1a E1b and r1b had lower somatic mutation rates an important advice which is often willingly ignored.

There is also some butthurt in admission the fact that there was single out of africa migration from southern route towards Bharat.

Small percentage of steppy ancestry that reflects out of tourism is late as late as 800ad because we know sakas hunas etc assimilated with Rajputs and other Bhartiya and adopted Dharma. Waiting for Neeraj Rai's legendary paper the most extensive paper to date. A lot has been discussed in previous posts I will save your time you go through this.

I watched discussion. Most gene related research from other side has same connotations of cherry picking data to fit pre determined model. In most other cases, the data is collected is not enough to model the diverse indian population. So all and all, some unacceptable level of proof is required to remove it from text books. The same level of consistency/proof is not demanded from the other side. It is just incapability of govt & ministers to do anything.

 

[dazialsoku]

@asaffronladoftherisingsun

INDO-IRANIAN INFLUENCE ON ETRUSCAN

Indo-Iranian words in Etruscan might be compared with Indo-Iranian elements in Luwian and Indo-Aryan ones in Hurrian and Kassite

www.academia.edu

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

@asaffronladoftherisingsun

INDO-IRANIAN INFLUENCE ON ETRUSCAN

Indo-Iranian words in Etruscan might be compared with Indo-Iranian elements in Luwian and Indo-Aryan ones in Hurrian and Kassite

www.academia.edu

The wine growing region of that rome was tuscany thanks to the Etruscan culture. Sangam literature proves there were large communities of Roman merchants in places like MADURA/MADURAI. A lot of influence and people to people contacts automatically happens when you are trading at such vast scale.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Lakshmi Mata in pompeii 2100 years before present

 

[SavageKing456]

Rigveda (9/63/5) says “Krinvanto Vishwam Aryam’ means Make the world Arya. if Arya was a race how can we make others Arya? That means Arya is not a race and Vedas tell us to make others Aryas.

Rigveda (1/51/8) says a there are two types of people Aryas and Dasyus, Aryas are those who seek knowledge and good qualities, A person should seek Guidance from Aryas and destroy Dasyus.


Dasyu means one who is oppressor, committer of injustice, and violent barbarian etc.

Arya means someone who is a Nobel and progressive according to Sanskrit grammar.

Arya is opposite to dasyu
This is dividing people on based on their quality(guna)
A dasyu is filled with tamoguna which increase it's ignorance,aham which is the cause of anger also,arya is an individual who is filled with satva guna,nothing to do with race&caste lmfao.

First, they assume that Arya were a race and they came from somewhere else, then on basis of this assumption they say that the parts where Arya means Nobel were added later and on base of this, they claimed Aryas came from outside.
This is like manipulating evidences to force illogical opinion.

These brits were too dumb to understand this and see everything with the prism of "race"
There's no concept of race in vedas.

 

[SavageKing456]

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Rigveda (9/63/5) says “Krinvanto Vishwam Aryam’ means Make the world Arya. if Arya was a race how can we make others Arya? That means Arya is not a race and Vedas tell us to make others Aryas.


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Rigveda (1/51/8) says a there are two types of people Aryas and Dasyus, Aryas are those who seek knowledge and good qualities, A person should seek Guidance from Aryas and destroy Dasyus.


Dasyu means one who is oppressor, committer of injustice, and violent barbarian etc.

Arya means someone who is a Nobel and progressive according to Sanskrit grammar.

Arya is opposite to dasyu
This is dividing people on based on their quality(guna)
A dasyu is filled with tamoguna which increase it's ignorance,aham which is the cause of anger also,arya is an individual who is filled with satva guna,nothing to do with race&caste lmfao.

First, they assume that Arya were a race and they came from somewhere else, then on basis of this assumption they say that the parts where Arya means Nobel were added later and on base of this, they claimed Aryas came from outside.
This is like manipulating evidences to force illogical opinion.

These brits were too dumb to understand this and see everything with the prism of "race"
There's no concept of race in vedas.

From the vedas to bhagwat gita to ramayan etc
People are classified on their gunas
Satva,raja,tamo gun are the three principles based on what law of karm acts.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

kṛṇvanto meaning?

 

[viklewapatel]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-ancestry-of-South-Asian-1KGP-populations-according-to-different-molecular-markers-a_fig3_315596347

The ancestry of South Asian 1KGP populations according to different molecular markers: a sampling locations, b mtDNA lineages, c Y-chromosome lineages and d GW components (based on ADMIXTURE, K = 7). Putative origin of the uniparental lineages present in the populations in the Additional file 1; Table S4. Population codes: PJL—Punjabi from Lahore, Pakistan; GIH—Gujarati Indian from Houston, Texas; ITU—Indian Telugu from the UK; STU—Sri Lankan Tamil from the UK; BEB—Bengali from Bangladesh

 

[viklewapatel]

Fiffty Fiffty

R1a1 in India cuts across language, caste, tribe, and religion - Page 3

Apricity is a European Cultural Community

www.theapricity.com

 

[viklewapatel]

Proportions of Ancient Ancestry in South Asian Populations qpAdm plot indicating proportions of ancestry made up of ancient sources (Iran_N, Steppe_MLBA, and Onge) among different South Asian populations.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Proportions-of-Ancient-Ancestry-in-South-Asian-Populations-qpAdm-plot-indicating_fig1_329451295

 

[viklewapatel]

Proto-Caucasoid ancestry (also known as AASI)

 

[viklewapatel]

Proto-Caucasoid ancestry (also known as AASI)

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ASI (Ancient ancestral South Indians) is a hypothetical ancient indian population which hasnt been sampled yet. AASI have the andamanese tribals as their genetically closest sampled population (but still distant due to isolation and genetic drift). AASI almost definitely also arrived in Indian subcontinent from this eastern route after the OoA event. This qpgraph generated by me makes it clear.

Ancient ancestral south indians (AASI) came from the east, not straight from Africa!

The peopling of ancient ancestral south indians (AASI) happened from the east

a-genetics.blogspot.com

 

[viklewapatel]

>we wuz pure indo-Aryans

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Distance to Uttar Pradesh Brahmin:

 

[viklewapatel]

medPCA.

https://i.ibb.co/LS6zkZQ/1558141561705.png

https://defenceforumindia.com/attachments/1558141561705-png.136788/

 

[viklewapatel]

The ASI were probably one of the ancient populations along the fringe of southern Eurasia, all of whom have been submerged by demographic movements from other parts of Eurasia over the past 10,000 years, excepting a few groups such as the Andaman Islanders and some Southeast Asian tribes.

Some of the Indo-Europeans found?

Some of the Indo-Europeans found?

www.discovermagazine.com

 

[viklewapatel]

Sample of Spread of Communities India

https://archive.is/zGbyw

 

[viklewapatel]

IGVDB

 

[sisimonu]

How come there are austroasiatic linguistic groups in the central-eastern part of india..and they are the only regions to have this linguistic group and are completely isolated.That is really mystery for me.it would be nice if u can explain in more detail and what it signifies

 

[Ikariyasan]

How come there are austroasiatic linguistic groups in the central-eastern part of india..and they are the only regions to have this linguistic group and are completely isolated.That is really mystery for me.it would be nice if u can explain in more detail and what it signifies

These languages were brought by rice farmers from the East. Today tribes like Munda and Gond derive significant proportion of their ancestry from these farmers. This ancestry is indicated by the 'SE Asian' component in those calculators and by the Y haplogroup O.

 

[viklewapatel]

Almost All Mainland Indian Groups are Mixed. Population structure in India is much less correlated with geography than in Europe. Even correcting populations for language, geographic, and social status differences, the Fst value is 0.007, about 7 times that of the most divergent populations in Europe. An open question is whether this could be due to missing (largely India-specific) SNPs on the genotyping arrays. This is because the set of targeted SNPs were identified primarily from the HapMap project, which did not include Indian sources. Most Indian genetic variation does not arise from events outside India. Additionally, consanguineous marriages cannot explain the signal. Many serial founder events, perhaps tied to the castes or precursor groups, could contribute. Analyzing a single group at a time, it becomes apparent that castes and subcastes have a lot of endogamy. The autocorrelation of allele sharing between pairs of samples within a group is used to determine whether a founder event occurred and its relative age. There are segments of DNA from a founder, many indicating events more than 1000 years old. In most groups there is evidence for a strong, ancient founder event and subsequent endogamy. This stands in contrast to the population structure in most of Europe or Africa, where more population mixing occurs (less endogamy). These serial founder events and their resulting structure have important medical implications. The strong founder events followed by endogamy and some mixing have lead to groups that have strong propensities for various recessive diseases.

The chunk size of the DNA belonging to each group suggests a mixture about 100 generations old, or 2,000 to 4,000 years ago. Many groups have this mixed heritage, but mixture stops after the creation of the caste system. Past surveys in India have studied such aspects as anthropometric variation, mtDNA, and the Y chromosome. The anthropometric study looked at significant differences in physical characteristics between groups separated by geography and ethnicity. The results showed variation much higher than that of Europe.

Populations can be projected onto the principal components of other populations: South Asians projected onto Chinese and European principal components produces a linear effect (the India Cline), while Europeans projected onto South Asian and Chinese principal components does not.

An admixture graph that fits Indian history

Two tree hypotheses emerge from this analysis:

1. there were serial founder events in India's history or

2. there was gene flow between ancestral populations.

28.4: Gene Flow on the Indian Subcontinent

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