No, I am not running from the debate... I am just debating with a complete imbecile who is not even capable to read with understanding what I write...
As I said, the turret sides of Arjun, not protected by composite armor ar something between ~70mm and ~100mm thick, at 30 degrees they will have increased thickness to approx ~140mm to ~200mm, which is insufficent even against older RPG's that have penetration capabilities over ~300mm of RHA. And there would be no problem if only crew compartment would be completely covered by composite armor, but it is not, protrusions are very short and do not provide enough protection at 30 degrees, which is typical for conventional tank vs tank combat.
Seriously, it is as simple as that... how many times I will need to repeat myself until you will finally understand? Perhaps you will never be capable to do so.
And a note to moderators, I am incredibly tired repeating myself over and over again, do not censor my post... please.
My question to moderators is when will this expert who estimates the side turret thickness with a couple of photographs will post a correct proportional drawing of ARJUN .Why I am repeating it is that there was an article that was bordering on the lines of defamatory with racial overtones written on TEJAS LCA on a 2009 issue (of flight global or some other magazine, I cant recall correctly) , saying it is a piece of junk well below the level of MIG-21 upgraded.And one member was quoting every thing from that article like it was a gospel of truth through out the ADA tejas-III thread and I still had arguments that ran into 100s of pages in that thread.
In the same way here another spurious drawing is emerging which is doing the rounds in other international forums with every proportion of arjun being represented wrongly to suit a particular line of argument.
When I probed the veracity of the document in this thread one member admitted it was he who drew it. Now this member is liberally using this.
So before proceeding further and calling one another imbecile we should once for all establish whether that drawing is really representative of arjun or not?
Are you kidding me kid? The turret side armor is relatively easy to estimate, I had a internal and external photos of a tank, and it piece a cake to make estimation of how thick is side turret armor. I really need to post this again...
Only kids estimate a particular dimension of an angular plane with a grainy photograph.And the red lines below that(I dont know who wrote that)
photograph proceeds to estimate the dimension of side turret wall with that grainy photgraph. Suddenly damian circles a round knob above the turret roof and says that this is this.And he goes on to fix the entire side turret armor or wall thickness based on that single knob like feature .How does he know the side turret wall behind the knob will have same level of thickness as his estimate?
is this what professionals do?
A professional always makes a solid point with irrefutable evidence with dimensionally correct and proper proportional sketches. A professional never pulls out a spurious drawing drawn by someone somewhere from the web and post a turret top photo alongside it and concludes that the entire side turret wall has the some 70 mm RHA thickness that can be blasted through by old RPGs. SO as we all know any weapon system is made for certain qualitative requirements according to the user.So my question is
1.Is this 70 mm RHA side turret wall thickness,is the GSQR specs of side turret protection given by the Indian army to CVRDE?.
2. If so whether the IA deemed it sufficient or did they gave a a weaker spec to CVRDE?
If not
1. Has the Indian army given CVRDE a higher turret protection level and the CVRDE failed to meet it?
2.Are the guys in design dept of CVRDE so dump to make such a basic error that has been found out across the seven seas by one so called self proclaimed expert with a grainy photograph?
3.And why did the Indian army kept quiet about it during the trials?
4.Why no one another than this cabal of overseas experts populating this thread has ever written about it?
5. Even the Israelis were deeply involved and they were the supposed to be nuetral third party audit team and certified it as world class tank. Why didn't they raise it?
if the side turret wall protection is so thin the above questions naturally arise. that is why I am insisting on settling this matter once for all.
Oh wiat, you don't even understand a simple drawing on photographs, you even claimed that gunner in Arjun is sitting in the left side of the turret, while his sights are placed at the right side, and he is sitting there below commander in reality, so how you are even capable to understand something such simple?
I never claimed gunner is on the left.I repeated what kunal posted as the stuff you circled in the red being a gunners periscope.Dont put words into my mouth to make you look like an expert.
As for Arjun ground pressure, yeah it is not known, because there is no credible source about it, no book, no avaiable official army documentation, but I completely understand that a poorly educated peasant like you, that all the sudden get access to internet, is not even capable to comprehend a difference between a credible source, and something posted somewhere in the internet.
So yeah, you are a goddamn fanboy.
Damn, now he made me angry.
you don't need to be angry at all.you are insulting everyone at the drop of hat.Go check that out.
Important question!
@Kunal Biswas, do you have any photos of Arjun turret during welding process? Or at least photos of plate stocks used to weld turret?
