Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

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relevant portion

http://frontierindia.net/dpp-2011-old-battlenecks-remain-khana-khilana-khazana
DPP 2011: Old Battlenecks remain, Khana – Khilana – Khazana


Fighting with Imports & Import Lobby

No country can really win wars with imported weaponry-much less a nation nurturing super power ambition. We can recall how ship carrying imported spares & armaments was halted midway in the Suez Canal during the thick of 1965 war when we needed it most. Slightly lower ended but indigenously available weapon should always be preferred over the imported ones. It is another thing that while ineffective weaponry can get inducted based on its inflated published parameters & cursory tests-local efforts are tested for years in scorching deserts till they groan to failure or reach obsolescence during the 10-15 years long testing phase.
Unashamed Bashing
But we take immense pride in denouncing our indigenous developments publically. Unprecedented sustained Arjun bashing is indicative of the no holds barred approach of the vested interest that can go to any extent? Carrying out comparative trials of the heavy duty MBT Arjun designed as per the GSQR against T-90 in trials shows our approach. In no country other than ours –would the defence experts be driving so much pleasure in blowing out of proportion even in minor failures of most complex systems. Yes there is need for improvement & change in our defence research, production & inspection set ups -along with change in our mind set towards indigenous stores.
 

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Dunno if you get the point of his article, but he is actually making fun of our industry and the defence contractors.
Well let's discuss the point of the article in relevant thread, but what I posted was relevant to this thread. And what he is trying to point out in that part is quite clear.
 

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the arjun mk2 will be a 60+ton tank and is most likely going to feature wedge shaped armour on the frontal portion like the leopard2a6. i found a very old article regarding the arjun mk2 from the net.it probably appeared first on force magazine though i am not sure.

arjun Mk2 MBT's pre-production prototype to rollout by mid-2009

Unfazed and undeterred by the quality-control problems that have beset the series-production phase of the Arjun Mk1 main battle tank (MBT) at the assembly line of the ministry of defence-owned Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi, the DRDO's [Defence Research and Development Organisation] Avadi-based Combat Vehicles Research & Development Establishment [CVRDE] has embarked upon the development of the third-generation Arjun Mk2 MBT, whose first pre-production prototype is due for rollout by mid-2009, as per present estimates. As per the Army HQ's General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQR), this MBT -- to be manned by a three-man crew complement will have a redesigned rear hull section and turret, an enhanced powerpack, a turret-mounted autoloader coupled to a redesigned turret bustle, an improved 120mm rifled-bore main gun controlled by a new hunter-killer digital fire-control system (DFCS), and a novel environment control system being co-developed with Israel's Kinetics Ltd that will provide NBC [nuclear biological chemical] air filtration/over-pressure generation, as well as cooling for the vectronics (all built by the MoD[Ministry of Defence]-owned Bharat Electronics Ltd [BEL]) and crew compartment. The redesign of the Arjun Mk2's hull and turret sections, and R&D [research and development] work on the autoloader is being undertaken with the help of France's Nexter Systems.

The main gun, which currently has a barrel length of 44 calibres, will be increased to 52 calibres by the DRDO's Pune-based Armaments R&D Establishment. The gyro-stabilised gun will be insulated with a thermal sleeve and will incorporate a muzzle reference system, as well as an automatic compressed air fume extraction system instead of the Arjun Mk1's existing fume extraction cylinder. The turret, to have a rotation time of nine seconds through 360 degrees, is being redesigned around the ammunition autoloader, which will hold 22 rounds of up to five types of ready-to-fire rounds and will permit a rate of fire of 12 shots per minute. Another 20 rounds and their modular charges will be housed within a pressurised turret bustle whose temperature will be cryogenically controlled. The main gun, to have a combat range of 5.5km when firing FSAPDS kinetic-energy rounds, will have maximum elevation/depression angles of +20 degrees and -9 degrees. The Arjun Mk2 will share with its predecessor the same imported all-electric power traverse system (supplied by Germany's ESW Extel Systems Wedel), which comprises the automatic elevating and traversing drives with semi-automatic back-up, direct gun-laying with electrical instruments control and manual control. The DFCS will include an independent commander's panoramic sight incorporating a medium-range uncooled thermal imager, and the Sagem Défense Sécurité-built IRIS thermal camera of the gunner's sight that can 'see' at around 5.5km, recognise a target at 3.1km and identify targets at 2.5km. The gunner's sight will incorporate an 'auto tracker' -- an optronic system based on image processing that will simultaneously track up to six moving targets. As the gunner's sight is fixed on a target, a picture analysis will take place. When the target moves, the 120mm gun and the gunner's sight will get aligned with the target and will move automatically while keeping the target in focus. This is particularly good in cross-country terrain when the target is moving and the MBT might go through bumps or twists or turns for manoeuvring, but the 'auto tracker' will not lose sight of the target. Presently, the Arjun Mk1 uses a 'director mode' for track initiation. On the Arjun Mk2, the top mirror of the gunner's sight will be independently stabilised, and a digital ballistics computer will evaluate the elevation of both the top mirror and the main gun, as well as the angle of the turret. There will be a continuous feeding of these parameters into the ballistics computer, which in turn will give electronic instructions to the all-electric gun-control system. Hence, the crosshairs of the gunner's sight will be right in the middle of the target even in a cross-country environment. If, momentarily the gun is misaligned, the firing circuit will remain closed and the gunner will not be able to fire. The DFCS will receive all required meteorological data from IRDAM SA of Switzerland's Model 2156B sensor that will measure wind speed, wind direction, air temperature and atmospheric pressure. All-terrain navigational accuracy will be provided by a fibre optic gyro-based autonomous land navigation system (ALNS) that can store more than 100 routes and 500 waypoints. The communications element of the Arjun Mk2's vectronics suite will include a digital universal control harness duplex communications system for ensuring voice and data communications between the MBT commander, gunner and driver, and an AQ-6411 intercom system meant for inter-communications between crews of the host MBT and also with other MBT crews through the STARS V50WFF LVM-271 radio. Also using this radio will be a BEL-built battlespace management system (BMS), which will allow all friendly MBTs to share a common operating picture and give senior armoured corps commanders a comprehensive view of the battle space. It will also free up frontline MBT commanders from routine reporting tasks. The BMS will be capable of displaying relevant digital moving map data (in 2-D) and plotting of own position, will offer zooming, panning, fit-all, overlay and refresh modes, will plot the positions of friend or foe as well as mines, bunkers etc using different symbols, will generate path profiles, will send situation reports and receive operational order updates. The BMS will also be linked to the MBT's on-board health and usage monitoring system (HUMS), an achievement that will significantly reduce the MBT's operational logistics demands.

Another novelty to be introduced into the Arjun Mk2's hull and turret with optimised thickness will be Non-Explosive and Non-Energetic Reactive Armour (NERA) panels without explosive liners. NERA comprises two lightweight metal plates (made of tungsten alloy and active metal-brazing titanium/ceramic alloy) sandwiching an inert liner like rubber. When struck by a shaped-charge's kinetic-energy metal jet, some of the impact energy is dissipated into the inert liner layer, and the resulting high-pressure causes a localised bending or bulging of the metal plates in the area of the impact. As the plates bulge, the point of jet impact shifts with the plate bulging, thereby increasing the effective thickness of the armour. This is almost the same mechanism as the second mechanism that current-generation explosive reactive armour (ERA) tiles use, but NERA uses energy from the shaped-charge jet rather than an explosive. Since the inner liner is not explosive itself, the bulging is less energetic than that on ERA. In addition, when compared to ERA tiles, NERA is much lighter and completely safe to handle (and therefore safer for close-proximity friendly dismounted infantry), and can be packaged in multiple spaced-out layers if necessary. The frontal turret section will feature a sloped and modular armour package similar to that found on the German Leopard 2A6 HEL and Chinese ZTZ-99G MBTs.

The Arjun Mk2, unlike its predecessor, will have an indigenously-built 12-cylinder, air-cooled variable compressor ratio diesel engine rated at 1,500hp. The gearbox and transmission system will, however, be imported from RENK of Germany. The engine, to be developed over a 60-month period at a cost of Rs 600 million [$14 million], will incorporate high-pressure ratio turbochargers and classical high-pressure fuel injection system with all-digital electronic controls for achieving higher thermal efficiencies. To achieve compactness, technologies like flywheel-cum-starter generator and pressurised air filtration systems will be adopted. The CVRDE on 21 October 2006 floated domestic and global expressions of interest for the co-development of what it calls the compact high-speci fic power output diesel engine. While the CVRDE is leading the engine's overall R&D effort with technical help from Austria's AVL List GmbH, a consortium of public sector and private sector companies from India and abroad has been formed for developing the engine's various components, such as the piston assembly, turbocharger, digital fuel injection system, cylinder heads, cylinder blocks, crank case, cylinder liners, connecting rods and crank-shaft forgings, oil pumps, shell bearings, water pump, flywheel starter-cum-generator, accessory gear drive, air filtration system, compact plate and fin heat exchangers, plate heat exchangers, and the cooling fan. Companies involved in developing all these include UK-based Ricardo, Goetze India Ltd, the UK's Borg Warner Automotive Turbo Systems, Germany's Robert Bosch, MICO India Pvt Ltd, Praveen Castings Pvt Ltd, HAL's [Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.] Foundry & Forge Division, SAN Engineering Ltd, Dynamatic Technologies Ltd, Magtorg Pvt Ltd, Apollo Heat Exchangers Pvt Ltd, Voras Exclusive Tools Pvt Ltd, Poona Shims Pvt Ltd, Pall India Pvt Ltd, Pearlite Liners Pvt Ltd, India Pistons Ltd, Bharat Forge Ltd, Rane Engine Valves Ltd, Bimetal Bearings Pvt Ltd, and Germany's MIBA Bearings. Development of the improved powerpack is imperative for meeting the Arjun Mk2's mobility parameters (including a power-to-weight ratio is 24.1hp/tone), especially since the MBT's all-up combat weight of 58.5 tonnes will go up to 61.5 tonnes once it is fitted with a 3-tonne engineering mine-plough. A HAL-built 4.5kW auxiliary power unit will be employed for silent idling and battery charging.

For maintaining a credible and nominal ground pressure is only 0.84kg/square cm, the Arjun Mk2 will make use of Diehl Remscheid's Model 570V double-pin steel tracks with detachable rubber pads, all to be licence-built by Larsen & Toubro. The tracks will be made of individual steel castings each having two bores for the insertion of rubberised pins. It will have an integral piece incorporating guide-horns and will have a provision for the insertion of detachable rubber-pads. The end-connectors will be induction-hardened in the area which comes in contact with the sprocket teeth to prevent wear.

The sprockets and rubberised road wheels will be built by a consortium of companies comprising MRF Ltd, Madras Elastomer Ltd, Dunlop India Ltd and Sundaram Industries Ltd. The hydropneumatic suspensions, co-developed by Bharat Earth Movers Ltd and Kirloskar, will be externally mounted and provide vehicle springing and damping. It will consist of one bogey wheel-pair for each suspension station. Gaseous medium in the hydropneumatic suspensions will be used for all-terrain manoeuvrability for exploiting the power available. Casings and hubs of the suspensions will be sealed for preventing dust ingression and water seepage during shallow/medium fording operations in marshy areas.

If, as per current schedules, the two Arjun Mk2 pre-production prototypes successfully complete user-assisted mobility and firepower trials by early 2011, a series-production run of 400 such MBTs is envisaged, along with 36 MLC-70 bridle-layer tanks (featuring twin slide-launch assault bridges of single-span tread way type construction and having a length of 26 metres) and a similar number of armoured recovery vehicles.
 

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Gud stuff..
But some of Info are incorrect in that article..
 
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I was wondering why Arjun's gun is weaker than anticipated. The article says its 44 Calibers. That's even lesser than what we calculated.
 

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I was wondering why Arjun's gun is weaker than anticipated. The article says its 44 Calibers. That's even lesser than what we calculated.
The person who writes the article didn't care abt specifics..
Besides he writes all those qualities of Arjun which already exist in the tank for example no of Rounds and arrangements..
I guess he didn't even know that Arjun interior is 95.99% similar to what Leo A4 have..
The rest 5.1% is Israeli and Indian..
 
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The person who writes the article didn't care abt specifics..
Besides he writes all those qualities of Arjun which already exist in the tank for example no of Rounds and arrangements..
I guess he didn't even know that Arjun interior is 95.99% similar to what Leo A4 have..
The rest 5.1% is Israeli and Indian..
It also says the APU used is only 4.5KW and only meant for engine idling and charging batteries. Nothing like other tank APUs.

Is there a link to it or the author's name? His credibility needs to be checked.
 

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It also says the APU used is only 4.5KW and only meant for engine idling and charging batteries.

Regarding APU working..

A. Running when Engine is IDEAL..
B. When Engine Switch-off and Batt low which kept in APU itself.. ( 6 LEAD if i remember )
C. Power-output depend on Size of APU.. ( Where is Arjun APU located?? )


Batteries in APU which Powers:

1. NBC system..
2. sights operational
3. radios on
4. heater on (if required),
5. turret and gun tube traversing and elevating as required
6. Engine Starter..

Again it depends on CREW how they use the precious Batt..


The following Points except NBC air-filter were done by a 2.2kw APU on M1A1 & A2, until recently replaced by 10kw TARDEC Auxiliary Power Unit, The ability of silent mode depends on type & no of Batt, APU can increase the range of the Arjun and save fuel costs significantly by reducing fuel consumption down when Engine on IDEAL and burning fuel moving nowhere, As the author mentioned by engine idling..

4.5KW APU doesn't hamper Arjun fighting capability but takes more time to charge the Batts compare to powerful 10kw APU..
 
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It also says the APU used is only 4.5KW and only meant for engine idling and charging batteries. Nothing like other tank APUs.

Is there a link to it or the author's name? His credibility needs to be checked.
doesn't know about the credibility of the article but i found it from tanknet.org.but one thing is for sure that arjun mk2 will be a 60 ton tank and fmbt which the drdo is going to design will be 50 ton.can anyone tell how good is arjun kanchan armour compared to western tank armour especially the depleted uranium armour of abhrams tank.
 

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shuvo can you give a link?

Anyway the last I heard the Arjun Mk2 will be 50 tons and FMBT will be 40tons. The 60 tons Arjun Mk2 you are talking about is only an upgrade to the Arjun Mk1. So, the naming system is messed up.

@Kunal
How much power is required to fire the gun?
 

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shuvo can you give a link?
Anyway the last I heard the Arjun Mk2 will be 50 tons and FMBT will be 40tons. The 60 tons Arjun Mk2 you are talking about is only an upgrade to the Arjun Mk1. So, the naming system is messed up.
I didn't see things messed up..
Arjun upgrade is 60ton AKA MK2
FMBT is 50ton

Wait, ok!

@Kunal
How much power is required to fire the gun?
tea stall :)
 
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India getting International help to develop its FMBT and FICV



Despite two years of labour, the Army's tank managers, the Directorate General of Mechanised Forces (DGMF), have been unable to decide on a suitable design.

Several of these experts told Business Standard that the DGMF's problems stem from its decision to start designing a tank all over again. Instead of building on two decades of experience in designing the indigenous Arjun tank, by moving onto an advanced version of the Arjun, the Army is going back to the start line.

Experts at the seminar — including Israeli tank legend, Maj Gen Yossi Ben-Hanan, who designed that country's successful Merkava tank — pointed out that tank design is evolutionary, each design building upon the previous one.

The Israelis began designing their Merkava-1 MBT in 1970; today they have the world-class Merkava-4. The Russians started in 1940 with the T-32 tank; that experience led to the T-55; the T-72 followed, which was further refined to today's T-90.

India has rejected this well-tested path. The Combat Vehicles R&D Establishment (CVRDE) in Chennai, which has designed the Arjun, is now offering an improved Arjun-2 with more modern electronics. But last month, the Army's top tank-man, Lt Gen D Bhardwaj, trashed two decades of indigenous design work on the Arjun; he declared that the Army would buy just 124 Arjuns for its 4,000-tank fleet. On July 23, Maj Gen Yossi Ben-Hanan warned the audience, "A decision taken today to build an Indian tank will yield an MBT only 15 years hence."

And for those 15 years, Russia is poised to fill the Indian inventory, just as it has for the last 35 years. It is learned that Moscow has seriously violated the 2001 contract to supply India with 310 Russian-built T-90s and then transfer the technology, materials and components to build another 1,000 in India.

Seven years after that contract was signed, not a single T-90 has rolled out of Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF), Avadi, where they are to be built. Senior MoD sources tell that Russia has failed to provide India with critical technologies and components needed for T-90 manufacture.

Russia has not been sued for this breach of contract; instead it has been rewarded. Last December, India ordered 347 more fully-built T-90s. A senior MoD officer dealing directly with purchases points out that this will delay the indigenous manufacture of T-90s even further, since the Russian plant cannot transfer any components or materials until it meets the fresh Indian order.

Meanwhile, the 310 T-90s, which have been delivered by Russia and introduced into service, are not battle worthy. The crucial Fire Control System (FCS), through which the tank fires at the enemy, has failed to function in Indian summers. An obliging Russian industry offered to sell India "tank air conditioners", though no other tank in our inventory needs or uses air-conditioning.

The Russian air-conditioners were put through trials, during which the tank driver fainted from heatstroke. Now the MoD has floated a global tender for air-conditioning the T-90s.

http://www.subcontinentaldef.net/2010/10/india-getting-international-help-to.html
 

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I didn't see things messed up..
Arjun upgrade is 60ton
Arjun MK2 aka FMBT is 50ton

Wait, ok!



tea stall :)
Kunal I think your confusing the Arjun Mk-2 with the FMBT. The MK-2 does not include any structural changes over the Arjun-MK1, it will only have better electronics and gun. The FMBT is still years away and they have not even finalized the design for that!
 

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