Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[ersakthivel]

Anonymous said...
I'm relative of GK Kumaravel. Its been a year since he passed away. May his sole rest in peace. I'm very sorry to inform that the government was not that supportful! we just now got the pensions cleared ! atleast i'm sure the ppl around here are supportful.

5:02 PM

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2012/08/indias-arjun-mk2-tank-revealed.html

A comment on the following link, in response to the article above,


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While delivering fake sermons that LCA IOC-2 is quickened, only because of Saint Antony's efforts,

This is how the GOI treats the men who worked for the country's defence.

And most of the commenters there ripping through the bogus arguments of fake tank experts moaing about the excess weight of Arjun

 

[Dejawolf]

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2012/08/indias-arjun-mk2-tank-revealed.html

A comment on the following link, in response to the article above,


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While delivering fake sermons that LCA IOC-2 is quickened, only because of Saint Antony's efforts,

This is how the GOI treats the men who worked for the country's defence.

And most of the commenters there ripping through the bogus arguments of fake tank experts moaing about the excess weight of Arjun

there are other factors to consider with weight. does india have the funds to maintain a 67.5 tonne behemoth?
a tank this heavy puts considerably strain on welds, bolts, suspension etc. just standing still, so swapping parts is frequent and expensive.
even at 62.5 tonnes, the swedish had problems with the uparmoured leopard 2 turret cracking after only a few years of use.

 

[The Last Stand]

there are other factors to consider with weight. does india have the funds to maintain a 67.5 tonne behemoth?
a tank this heavy puts considerably strain on welds, bolts, suspension etc. just standing still, so swapping parts is frequent and expensive.
even at 62.5 tonnes, the swedish had problems with the uparmoured leopard 2 turret cracking after only a few years of use.

The earlier article claims 62 tonne weight for Arjun when the actual weight is 58.5 tonnes. :O

Seriously, wait for a DRDO press release or a TechFocus or Newsletter article. Once MK-2 testing is done, they will run something.

 

[ersakthivel]

The earlier article claims 62 tonne weight for Arjun when the actual weight is 58.5 tonnes. :O

Seriously, wait for a DRDO press release or a TechFocus or Newsletter article. Once MK-2 testing is done, they will run something.

Not this article alone, many articles still freely use short tons in place of metric tons ,without caring to inform whether they are mentioning short tons or metric tons, like the bunkum about transporting tanks in one piece in freight planes and the nonsense about inability of Arjun to be deployed in Punjab.

The fact is Arjun can go to many areas in Punjab which are marked as non tankable in IA maps because it has very low ground pressure per square inch and high power to weight ratio to pull through scoring high on mobility scores, which can not be comprehended by the author of the article who wears tunnel vision as his hallmark.

Also T-90 weighs far in excess of T-72. SO T-90 too can not cross the old 40 ton bridges built by Brits during their colonial rule 70 years before. It too needs bridging equipment support to cross then same as the case with Arjun.

IA already is standardizing on a 70 ton class bridging system, And DRDO has developed a much more advanced light weight bridging system that can support 70 ton tank weight for 142 meters with no issues.

So as far as operating within indian borders Arjun faces the same plus and minus as that of the T-90. If crossing the old 40 ton class british bridges is the single most criteria for the indian army , I am afraid , that IA has to stick with the old t-72s and becoming a laughing stock of the world.


Also if it comes to crossing over into pakistan ,Why are people expecting the retreating pakistanis to leave the old british built 40 ton class t-72 class bridges on their sides intact to provide hearty welcome to the invading indian forces sans Arjun is always a great mystery to me.

In the enemy territory No T-72 or t-90 or Arjun will have bridges left intact to allow for their smooth invasion is something always left out by these article writers, because it is a very inconvenient truth that will expose their unfair criticism of Arjun based alone on it's weight to the exclusion of all the extra advantages given by the same weight in the form of better crew safety and the tank 's better survival chances.


But these facts are cleverly covered over to make it seem as if only Arjun's weight is the deciding factor excluding everything else.

 

[ersakthivel]

there are other factors to consider with weight. does india have the funds to maintain a 67.5 tonne behemoth?
a tank this heavy puts considerably strain on welds, bolts, suspension etc. just standing still, so swapping parts is frequent and expensive.
even at 62.5 tonnes, the swedish had problems with the uparmoured leopard 2 turret cracking after only a few years of use.

The most important factor to be considered for Arjun is whether it is as per the Army GSQR or not.The european armies are not going to fight a war for the foreseeable future , so they can worry about these costs, not the IA which can be dragged into flaming war anytime, because there are always serious provocations from the pakistani side , whether it is shelling across the border or unrelenting terror attacks.

So these other factors to be considered for it's higher weight is are effectively non issues for the IA. .

124 Arjun tanks are in service for some time and 16 prototype tanks entered IA many years before to check the reliability problems.

With than 7000 rounds fired and 10000 km trial runs Arjun has been tested to death in IA..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

A tank is design accordingly to its dimension and weight, If something cannot hold its own weight then its poor quality manufacture to be blamed not the design.

If one cannot maintain 124tanks cannot think of maintaining +2000 tanks, Logic..

So these other factors to be considered for it's higher weight is are effectively non issues for the IA. ...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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[Kunal Biswas]

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[p2prada]

there are other factors to consider with weight. does india have the funds to maintain a 67.5 tonne behemoth?
a tank this heavy puts considerably strain on welds, bolts, suspension etc. just standing still, so swapping parts is frequent and expensive.
even at 62.5 tonnes, the swedish had problems with the uparmoured leopard 2 turret cracking after only a few years of use.

The Mk2 prototype is 67.5 tonnes with a mine trawl. The plan is to bring it down to 62.5 tonnes before production starts.

Anyway, the program is moot in line of what the Army needs and that's already been established with the start of the FMBT program.

The future will be a 50 tonne FMBT with crew in the hull and most probably an unmanned turret.

So, no. We cannot afford a tank that weighs more than 50 tonnes financially as well as operationally, especially not in the numbers we require.

 

[Dazzler]

O.K then , You have your own Arjun with LOS behind main sight of 380 mm, And let me have my own Arjun with LOS of 800 to 900 m approx behind LOS, and stop quoting and answering each other. I have enough confidence in my own dimension marking and the photos are incontrovertible proof for that.

I don't want to argue with a person who shows a simple lack of understanding to acknowledge what is clearly seen in photograph.And it is a fruitless enterprise to post reams of photos and arguments.And a waste of useful time as well.

So we have two Arjuns one with the supposed thickness of 380 and the other with 800. From what i have seen in the last 100 or so pages, the argument is based on personal measurement and everyone has a seperate criteria/ ruler to achieve that

 

[ersakthivel]

So we have two Arjuns one with the supposed thickness of 380 and the other with 800. From what i have seen in the last 100 or so pages, the argument is based on personal measurement and everyone has a seperate criteria/ ruler to achieve that

The reason I posted that sentence was to stop the endless mud slinging going on here and allow other members posting some useful stuff about other aspects of Arjun.

By your statement it is clear you cannot give any proof are advancing any new argumnets, essentially giving your own personal subjective analysis with no objective evidence based debate.

I don't ant to waste my time with another guy who has no technical drawing experience.

 

[Dazzler]

The reason I posted that sentence was to stop the endless mud slinging going on here and allow other members posting some useful stuff about other aspects of Arjun.

By your statement it is clear you cannot give any proof are advancing any new argumnets, essentially giving your own personal subjective analysis with no objective evidence based debate.

I don't ant to waste my time with another guy who has no technical drawing experience.

How much real armour ecperience do you have by the way? Technical drawing for designing armour makes sense to me.

Just an advice though, these drawings mean nothing really as even i can make 50 drawings for a certain concept and present a case for it being the best bet out there.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You are not qualified to understand the question you ask, there is nothing real and fake here, and avoid getting such idea..

Read the thread, Its long but worth..

Don't ask question which are already answered..

How much real armour ecperience do you have by the way? Technical drawing for designing armour makes sense to me..

 

[ersakthivel]

How much real armour ecperience do you have by the way? Technical drawing for designing armour makes sense to me.

Just an advice though, these drawings mean nothing really as even i can make 50 drawings for a certain concept and present a case for it being the best bet out there.

Present it.

When someone says technical drawing means nothing in determining the LOS for armor, then God help him.

And you are expected to know there are only three views needed to determine the length and width of any complex component.

With 50 drawings you can present a painting exhibition, Nothing technical about it.

Please enlighten us all about your ground breaking "CERTAIN CONCEPT about Arjun with 50 drawings."

I am all ears. It is always good to approach a problem with open mind rather than infantile rants.


So you can present a case with 50 drawings, I am sure about that. But it will be busted in a minute ,of that I am 100 percent sure..

Armor experience won't help you much in beating down Arjun , when you don't have the ability to understand plan , elevation and side view concepts of production drawing.

first of all you should be able to understand interpret the length and width of the components in turret and hull .

And no one here knows much about the capabilities of kanchan Armor. So we are not discussing it. we are discussing only LOS thickness of the armor.

To estimate LOS armor thickness on Arjun what you need first is to know it's dimensions in a correct manner.

Armor experience can be faked easily on the net with endless blah blah. But you can't fake such stuff with drawings and dimensions.

In drawing in the end all the sub dimension of the sub components should add up to the total dimension of the whole unit like a tank, which cannot be faked. And many people here tried to fake it and failed.

I need no advice from dummies. Know what I am writing.

you can present a case if you are competent enough. No need to advice like a judge on reality show.

O.K then , You have your own Arjun with LOS behind main sight of 380 mm, And let me have my own Arjun with LOS of 800 to 900 m approx behind LOS, and stop quoting and answering each other. I have enough confidence in my own dimension marking and the photos are incontrovertible proof for that.

I don't want to argue with a person who shows a simple lack of understanding to acknowledge what is clearly seen in photograph.And it is a fruitless enterprise to post reams of photos and arguments.And a waste of useful time as well.

Instead of quoting these lines of mine, you could have presented your case and finished the argument. What prevented you from doing it?

 

[SilentKiller]

Some Wallpapers :

i have all of them..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Final trials of India's Main Battle Tank Arjun Mark II in August

Chennai: The fully integrated modified version of India's Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun Mark II would go for final trials in the first week of August in Rajasthan. Though trials of the updated version are presently on in Rajasthan, the fully integrated tanks would be sent for final trials by the Indian Army by August, sources told PTI.

The Army had asked for 93 improvements to the tank, which included 19 major modifications, all of which have been incorporated, they said. Arjun Mark II can fire missiles, has an enhanced Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) with a capacity of 8.5 KW (against Mark I's 4.5 KW), Explosive Reactive Armour panels, mine plough, Automatic Target Tracking, Advanced Land Navigation System, digital control harness and advanced commander panoramic sight among other features.

Source : Final trials of India's Main Battle Tank Arjun Mark II in August

 

[Dazzler]

i have read about Arjun vs T-90 trials where Arjun triumphed the T-90 but can any enlightened member provide me more details regarding those tests?

Thanks

 

[Dazzler]

closer look at the side of turret, the armour strip is covered by a luggage box for whatever purpose..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The best thing not to reply and yes he has been handed a ban ..

Why don't you post your graduation photo on the vampire course you did,I

 

[Kunal Biswas]

We have specific thread for comparison, based on design and trails results, this thread for Arjun MK1 only ..

Link : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/defence-strategic-issues/44522-arjun-vs-t90-mbt.html

Use search engine next time at D F I ..

i have read about Arjun vs T-90 trials where Arjun triumphed the T-90 but can any enlightened member provide me more details regarding those tests?

Thanks