Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[Kunal Biswas]

Same arguments can be advanced against Arjun
Most of the systems are imported
There is no ammunition for the main guns...

so on and so forth..

@Kunal
When in every thread these guys shout the "general" and "foreign Mal", you do get derailed ? If you guys are not from DRDO or OFB then why do you all make such baseless accusations. You think those oppose DRDO are from Army?

If you like to know about baseless comments here is one in your post :

' No Ammo for the gun '

And answer goes like this :
Plenty of Ammo for the Arjun Gun its the T-90S dont have which have to be imported at costs of around 2 billion USD..


It is evident, you Sir are the one making baseless accusations, You dont know what you talk about no clue, Just because its DRDO you have to RANT like its our job here..

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There are good scientists in the DRDO. They join and then their initiative is killed by the sab chalta hai attitude and downright red tapeism!,It is the Military which wants indigenous products because in the time of war, even if there is sanctions, it will not affect the outcome of the war.The military is more concerned that things should be indigenous because the final proof of the military's existence is winning battles and the campaign. One cannot win without a guaranteed supply of arms and ammunition and equipment. Sanctions dry up the supply chain and winning wars become difficult or is at great cost to human lives.

I dont think i see anything Wrong here..

 

[Bhadra]

If you like to know about baseless comments here is one in your post :

' No Ammo for the gun '

And answer goes like this :
Plenty of Ammo for the Arjun Gun its the T-90S dont have which have to be imported at costs of around 2 billion USD..


It is evident, you Sir are the one making baseless accusations, You dont know what you talk about no clue, Just because its DRDO you have to RANT like its our job here..

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I dont think i see anything Wrong here..

Sir, I know well who does not have ammunition and what is the expediency!! Just leave it at that...

 

[Bhadra]

Prasun says :

The Arjun MBT is undoubtedly a success programme as far as product design is concerned. To convert the design into a mature industrial product is not the CVRDE's or DRDO's responsibility, but of the country's military-industrial infrastructure. It is due to the failure of the latter that caused delays in the service induction of the Arjun Mk1 MBT & also gave rise to the reqmt for Arjun Mk1A MBT.

 

[ALBY]

Yes that is Arjun MK-2 Prototype Image..

Isn't the armour and turret of mk2 resembling to that of T90 than mk1?

 

[Bhadra]

Re: Arjun Mk-II Gets Ready To Compete Russian T-90 Tank

Another bunch of horsesh!t from Aroor. He can justifiably claim to be amongst the worst defence journalists India has produced. The MK2 is still in trials and the Army has not anywhere decided on how many it will require. At this juncture to come out with an article full of regurgitated rubbish and hyperbole, plus some masala like Aroor does, is just irresponsible journalism and clearly just desparation to drive eyeballs to his otherwise staid blog. In the past, he has taken PPTs released by agencies at public events, put his name on them, and then passed them off as scoops. He has written hatchet job articles on various organizations. He neither understands technology nor does he have the integrity to desist from finger pointing. All said and done, such media people are really the reason why the Indian public remains underinformed about defence affairs.

One can make out from his reporting that he is a DRDO paid man...

 

[sayareakd]

Re: Arjun Mk-II Gets Ready To Compete Russian T-90 Tank

T90 MS is not even with Indian army, I dont think developer will bring that tank to India, they dont want to loss the comparative trial again

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Arjun Mk-II Gets Ready To Compete Russian T-90 Tank

Isn't the armour and turret of mk2 resembling to that of T90 than mk1?

That is because of Heavy ERA at front armour just like on T-90S..

 

[Tronic]

Re: Arjun Mk-II Gets Ready To Compete Russian T-90 Tank

They just seemed to have stuck ERA plates on the old turret. They should've redesigned it's external profile.

 

[Damian]

Re: Arjun Mk-II Gets Ready To Compete Russian T-90 Tank

T90 MS is not even with Indian army, I dont think developer will bring that tank to India, they dont want to loss the comparative trial again

T-90MS have more modern composite armor and ERA, better FCS, better engine and is still lighter. I strongly recommend You to learn Russian and read something else than a fairy tales.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Arjun Mk-II Gets Ready To Compete Russian T-90 Tank

T and is still lighter.

Does the ground pressure increased ?

 

[Damian]

Re: Arjun Mk-II Gets Ready To Compete Russian T-90 Tank

Does the ground pressure increased ?

If yes, probably not much. T-90A/T-90S weights around 45-46 tons, T-90M/T-90MS weight around 48 tons.

 

[Shaitan]

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[Kunal Biswas]

Arjun Side Armour is strengthen..

And one good reason why weight is increased so much..

 

[Damian]

It's too early to build up such conclusion without a better photos. For me it is nothing more than a storage box for now, if there will be better photo proving otherwise I will agree.

And the weight increase can comes from ERA, for example a very light ERA package the 4S24 in a full kit weights approx 2,5 tons, and it is considered as light non universal, only anti HEAT optimized package with less potential than even older 4S22 Kontakt-5 universal heavy ERA.

 

[Damian]

Not matters.

 

[sayareakd]

Boxes are boxes, they are meant to keep anything you want, you can put tools, armor bricks, plates and what ever you like.

we have fought lot of wars, so we are not stupid to use boxes for something which will not help in war.......

if someone has to think otherwise, we cant deny them the please of free thinking

 

[Bhadra]

Boxes are boxes, they are meant to keep anything you want, you can put tools, armor bricks, plates and what ever you like.

we have fought lot of wars, so we are not stupid to use boxes for something which will not help in war.......

if someone has to think otherwise, we cant deny them the please of free thinking

yes you are right/ Arjun is a conglomeration of boxes !

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It's too early to build up such conclusion without a better photos. For me it is nothing more than a storage box for now, if there will be better photo proving otherwise I will agree.

And the weight increase can comes from ERA, for example a very light ERA package the 4S24 in a full kit weights approx 2,5 tons, and it is considered as light non universal, only anti HEAT optimized package with less potential than even older 4S22 Kontakt-5 universal heavy ERA.

I am not making conclusion about this photo, I am very sure, You will have better photos of the tank in future..

Arjun MK-1 is 58 tons, Arjun MK-2 is 67 tons, Almost 9 tons in addition..

The Tank have Heavy ERA which can be not more than 5 tons at most, And there are no Major addon to increase the weight unless the suspected modules as i indicated..

 

[Damian]

I am not making conclusion about this photo, I am very sure, You will have better photos of the tank in future..

Arjun MK-1 is 58 tons, Arjun MK-2 is 67 tons, Almost 9 tons in addition..

The Tank have Heavy ERA which can be not more than 5 tons at most, And there are no Major addon to increase the weight unless the suspected modules as i indicated..

And how sure You are that weight increase do not come from for example new internal mechanical components? You think that stabilization for example do not have it's weight?

Or what if heavier variant of Kanchan armor was installed in turret front armor cavities?

Do not make quick conclusions without a proper data.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

And how sure You are that weight increase do not come from for example new internal mechanical components? You think that stabilization for example do not have it's weight?

Or what if heavier variant of Kanchan armor was installed in turret front armor cavities?

Do not make quick conclusions without a proper data.

You will have better pictures in future..

Perhaps maybe i will take some hires by myself..