Something to be proud about. But, nothing to dictate the army must also go for it simply because the Americans and Israelis are interested.
disinclination in induction and even sabotage!!
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the sabotage of trials by the army has been alluded by none other than then state min for defence Mr. inderjit singh.
Explaining to politicians and civilians the nuances of a doctrine is a difficult task. It is like a Doctor trying to explain what went wrong in English to a patient who does not understand English.
The army simply cannot handle the kind of pressure that will come from the govt if the Arjun succeeds after the T-90 was chosen. So, the sabotage route is the quickest way to reach an agreement. It is a very old method done by democratic countries.
Even USAF was accused of sabotaging the YF-23 for the YF-22.
why are you faulting Arjun or its BMS for this. it is army which has to answer in terms of integration of UAV's and making it operational.
Er. No. DRDO will have to come out with the UAV, the datalinks, the software etc etc. The army is just the user. They don't do integration.
The person who wrote it is not technically sound. By giving the M1A2's weight as 10 "tons" more and listing the Arjun's weight only in "tons" is completely wrong. The M1A2's weight and the Arjuns weight measured are different. The difference is like Mile and Kilometre. It is an elementary mistake made by any body without technical knowledge.
M1 is 69 "Long tons" while Arjun is 58 "Metric tons." There is a huge difference.
There is nothing much given about BMS too.
She also states Arjun to be more agile on the "Golden Quadrilateral" while T-90 is slower.
Little does she realize that the T-90 is faster cross country, which is the most important aspect. And I would hate to know the mileage on the Arjun at top speed.
yes. a new engine of 1500 HP is being undertaken.
Arjun's primary engine is still under development. Since when I wonder.
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i did not mean them as parameters for a doctrine. was only referring to what a tank is supposed to do in any doctrine. on performance it outscores T-90. that is what i meant.
Logistics matter and are the most important. If you can deliver the Arjun at the same logistics expense as the T-90 then there are better chances of Arjun's induction. Without this aspect there is no point in knowing which is a superior tank. The Pakistanis will be able to outmaneuver us at the frontlines with their faster and more inexpensive tanks. Arjun will be useless if the Pakistanis always reach the battle first.
The Soviet doctrine was to bring a lot of tanks into the battlefield that outnumbered NATO. Survivability did not matter in their doctrine. Numbers did and a similar doctrine has been also incorporated in the IA. PA's doctrine is similar but more defensive in nature. Bringing the Arjun into such a doctrine is like bringing a F-1 into NASCAR racing.
The Arjun's performance is secondary. But, it's superiority will still affect changes in doctrine since new strategies have to be incorporated which are associated with heavy tanks with survivability compared to T-90s hit and run tactics.
this is again due to the army's no interest in induction of Arjun. had they inducted they would have taken care of it.
Not true. The Army cannot spend more than it needs to. We are the Indian Army and not the US Army. You cannot blame the Army if they want more bang for the buck.
BANGALORE: Bharat Earth Movers Ltd. (BEML) on Saturday rolled out 29 of the 178 Bogie Flat Arjun Tank (BFAT) wagons of military rail ordered by the Army.
this is 2006 news. surely it could have been done if the army wanted to induct.
Seriously, 178 bogies for 124 tanks. Now calculate that for 1600 Arjuns if the T-90s were scrapped. It is not feasible. They still need to buy new artillery(very important), more assault rifles, more bullet proof jackets, more grenades, more clothes...and all of these as important as a tank.
If the investment was carried out in the late 90s it would have been better. But, buying new transports for just a few more years is out of the question.
Sarvatra bridge layer is already in place complying to MLC 70 standard.
And do what with the rest of the bridge layers. Do you really see the airforce replacing their jets in just a few years. It will take years to make the kind of changes you are suggesting.
the difference is not huge. and you are picking one negative to 20 positives. not fair.
Check your own post, post #306, picture 2.
The Arjun's mileage is 5.5LPK compared to 3.5LPK on road for the T-90.
The Arjun's mileage is 9.6LPK compared to 7.2LPK cross country for the T-90.
And look at the difference in range when it comes to cross country. Even with a smaller tank, the T-90 can travel farther with better efficiency.
All these measurements are at an optimum speed. Bring top speed into consideration and the Arjus more powerful engines will only gulp more fuel. We are not an oil producing nation.
So, the difference is indeed massive.
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more men also means less fatigue as the work is distributed and ofc better maintainence.
That is silly. The T-90 is a smaller tank and requires less maintenance than the Arjun. Also, the automated loader means more rounds can be fired compared to the Arjun's manual loader.
Now, a lot of western analysts believe the automatic loader is not good. But, what are they comparing it to? If the users, India and Russia, have no problems with it then the others who will be on the opposite end of the gun sight can simply shut up about it. Let them be happy with their superior manual loaders. Ask the loader to load 40 different shells at once and you will see the result for yourself.
More importantly, the Russians are thinking about completely automating the gun in the 2020 tank. So, even they believe automation is a key driver for a new generation tank.
This 4v3 is BS that the western nations have made up to hide their own shortcomings.