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oh yeah F-35 hurr durr lobbying again,

meanwhile situation in weimerica


Pentagon Could Block 80-Plus Deliveries of F-35s
The Pentagon has stopped accepting newly built stealth fighters from Lockheed until tech trials are finished.



BY AUDREY DECKER
STAFF WRITER
JUNE 28, 2023

More than 80 F-35s could be left in limbo as the Pentagon refuses to accept new jets until testing of updated technology on the stealth fighters is complete.
Deliveries of new F-35s are on hold until December at the earliest and April at the latest, according to F-35 Joint Program Office spokesperson Russ Goemaere.
That means Lockheed Martin will have to sit on 45 jets if the delay extends to December and 81 jets if it extends to April, as the company’s contract stipulates it must deliver nine planes per month with the tech upgrade.
The Pentagon is updating several technologies in its fleet of F-35s, an effort known as Block 4. But before the fleet can receive the upgrades, the jets need a suite of hardware and software improvements, known as Technology Refresh 3, or TR-3, which is already one year behind schedule.
“Starting in August, approximately nine TR-3 aircraft per month are contracted for delivery,” Goemaere told Defense One in a statement. “Starting later this summer, F-35 aircraft coming off the production line with TR-3 hardware will not be accepted (DD250) until relevant combat capability is validated in accordance with our users’ expectations. The JPO and Lockheed Martin will ensure these aircraft are safely and securely stored until DD250 occurs,” Goemaere said.
Breaking Defense first reported that the Pentagon will not accept new F-35s until testing concludes.
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While the JPO estimates the delay could last until next spring, Lockheed said they still plan to deliver by December.
“In all test programs there are risk analysis models. While the JPO recognizes there could be a delivery range between Dec. 2023 and April 2024, we remain committed to delivering the first TR-3 jet in 2023,” the company said in a statement.
Asked if there would be financial ramifications for the company due to the delay, Lockheed said they could not comment due to being in the quiet period before it reports second quarter earnings next month.

In the near term, the slip in TR-3 deliveries means less capacity for the Air Force, Doug Birkey, executive director of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, told reporters Wednesday, ahead of the release of a new report on 5th-generation airpower.
Air Combat Command is “literally managing tail by tail right now” to avoid a gap in capacity, Birkey said.
“That said, Lockheed Martin is still producing jets, and they're stacking up out in Fort Worth, [Texas]. That is capacity that will be reintroduced rapidly once you've crossed the threshold, because software is in play. This is an easy upload relatively speaking…so I think it will be rapidly recoverable,” he said. “Our position I think really is: produce these things as fast as you possibly can, allocate the cash, keep it moving, [and] this too shall get sorted out and move on.”
The first TR-3 flight test flew in January—an “important milestone” but one that uncovered software problems that “the contractor did not identify in software labs,” according to a recent Government Accountability Office report. New issues mean the program faces a tighter timeline to complete additional tests and fix software problems.
The cost of Block 4 upgrades continues to climb, with an increase of $1.4 billion since GAO’s April 2022 report, bringing the total cost to $16.5 billion, according to GAO.
But Birkey said not just the industrial base is to blame for F-35 delays and cost increases.
“If you do the forensics on that—it’s everybody: you look at the appropriators dinging this for years, certainly the industrial base has huge issues on it as well, the services took risk on it, the structure of the JPO [has] got problems, things endemic to the design of a program,” he said.
Despite that, Block 4 is the only lever the Pentagon has to get this program healthy, Birkey said. Combatant commands need solutions—and this is a good solution, he said.
“I think TR-3/ Block 4 will be fundamentally, radically better. In many ways, it's an entirely new jet,” Birkey said.
TR-3 is the “IT backbone” of Block 4 upgrades, and will feature a new integrated core processor needed for sensors and weapons in the future, Greg Ulmer, executive vice president of Lockheed’s Aeronautics business, told Defense One last week at the Paris Air Show.
Ulmer said they’re conducting flight testing for the new configuration at Edwards Air Force Base and Naval Air Station Patuxent River right now, “so you'll see us complete that flight test, we'll get the certifications underwritten, certified by the government, and then you'll see us resume delivery.”

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So the LM itself is facing certification delays for these 'software pathes upgrades' that their own panchkon raksha mantralayi is unwilling to add these jets before they play it honestly, while our guys want to push for it at grave expense of our desi programs ?
Also this
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Can anyone tell me why does amca does not have side internal bays like f22 only 4 missiles in internal bay is kinda low don't you guys think?
Khayali pulao, rolling it out even without the internal weapons bay is a big deal for our Pajeet-tier MIC


take the Korean route of Rapid prototyping
 

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Looks increasingly like a possibility after Modi's visit to Washington & the procurement of the Reaper HALE drones , the JV to manufacture the F-414 TFs in India , the iCET we've signed apart from a plethora of other security related agreements we have with the US , signifying the close co operation we've with the US.

In any case the J-20 is being inducted rapidly & in huge numbers in the PLAAF & the only FA in the IAF's inventory which can stand up to the J-20s are the Rafales ( this is also not a given ) of which we have only 36 . The option to get 2 more squadrons wasn't exercised which can only mean the entire procurement has been clubbed with the MRFA.

The most optimistic schedule for MRFA FAs entering the IAF thru imports is not before 2030. Our conflict with China will happen around the same time or before.

In view of the above developments the situation seems poised for the IAF to go in for 3-4 squadrons of F-35 A. Whether it actually happens is anyone's guess.
But muh Roosi 60% military maal! THE INDIANS WILL LEAK F35 TEKNOLOGIES TO ROOSIA!
Nahi hoga, even if it does ragdaenge humko for F35

What they are pushing is the F-18 and that shitty F-16 rebadge for the MRFA program, that's all we get aside of becoming their vassal.
None of the Gulf-Arab states have got F35 either but that can be hand waved by muh Israelis, but still saying
 

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The option to get 2 more squadrons wasn't exercised which can only mean the entire procurement has been clubbed with the MRFA.
Is there any src where GoI asked IAF for placing follow on rafale order to satisfy their requirement, but IAF stuck to MMRCA nonsense all the while sq nos are falling ?
Or is it that GoI said no funds for further follow on rafale order and IAF is forced to go for MMRCA ?
Want to know genuinely know
 

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Is there any src where GoI asked IAF for placing follow on rafale order to satisfy their requirement, but IAF stuck to MMRCA nonsense all the while sq nos are falling ?
Or is it that GoI said no funds for further follow on rafale order and IAF is forced to go for MMRCA ?
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In all likelihood Gobi got scared of some half-Italian mongrel and his pack barking "RAFAL ESCAM" and that is why didn't purchase additional Rafales through G2G mode.

In any future war we will lose simply because of equipment deficiencies rather than troop performance.

Now France has received new orders from UAE and Indonesia, with pending domestic, Egyptian and Greek deliveries.
You can imagine fresh purchases now would be backlogged since their order book is full.

They won't setup a plant here unless the order is suitably large like 100 jets, which GoI will not be willing to pay up.

TLDR when a mutt barks at you, you should throw a stone at it.
 

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Is there any src where GoI asked IAF for placing follow on rafale order to satisfy their requirement, but IAF stuck to MMRCA nonsense all the while sq nos are falling ?
Or is it that GoI said no funds for further follow on rafale order and IAF is forced to go for MMRCA ?
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The bases & ISE - India Specific Enhancements were for 4 squadrons especially the former. It was but natural to expect we'd order the balance 2 squadrons especially after what happened on the LAC.

As far as what's transpiring between the MoD & IAF we can only speculate though there have been public statements from time to time like for instance by the first CDS the late Gen Rawat asking IAF to go in for a piece meal procurement of the Rafales like the MKIs , instead of thru the tender route where a substantial amount in the defence budget would be blocked for payment & a disproportionate amount of the armed forces budget would go into servicing the requirements of just 1 arm .

The IAF vigorously objected in public to the late CDS's statement pointing out to the depleting squadrons of the IAF & why the tender route was not only vital but also the most optimal route. Since then the Rafale football is being passed around between the MoD & it's various arms on one side & Vayu Bhavan on the other .

For more information pls tag @jai jaganath or go thru his posts . He sems to have the juice on this whole imbroglio. We can translate what he posts in intelligible language later on in case you don't understand it , first up .
 

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Should we buy for the AMCA MK2, the Japanese XF-9 jet engine which has 3D thrust vectoring, with 150KN thrust with afterburner and is free from sanctions on use and is customizable? Or the AL-41 from Russia which is used in the super maneuverable SU-35 and the SU-57?
 

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Should we buy for the AMCA MK2, the Japanese XF-9 jet engine which has 3D thrust vectoring, with 150KN thrust with afterburner and is free from sanctions on use and is customizable? Or the AL-41 from Russia which is used in the super maneuverable SU-35 and the SU-57?
I mean it is basically a done deal that hal and safran will work on new engine so why even bother
 

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Should we buy for the AMCA MK2, the Japanese XF-9 jet engine which has 3D thrust vectoring, with 150KN thrust with afterburner and is free from sanctions on use and is customizable? Or the AL-41 from Russia which is used in the super maneuverable SU-35 and the SU-57?
that engine isn't done yet, also japs were in touch with the americans in ironing out some deficiencies in that engine, and they have had typical stigma on exporting their defense stuff until recently when their parliament allowed exports to partner nations.
so in a sense it's not much worth deal giving to many realities.
 

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Should we buy for the AMCA MK2, the Japanese XF-9 jet engine which has 3D thrust vectoring, with 150KN thrust with afterburner and is free from sanctions on use and is customizable? Or the AL-41 from Russia which is used in the super maneuverable SU-35 and the SU-57?
150kN class,not unless we are dropping AMCA and going for AHCA.
 

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