AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[abingdonboy]

Next year ,TEDBF will go for CCS approval, AMCA should be this year no?

AMCA, TEDBF and the completely forgotten child in all the AMCA hysteria…..IMRH

CCS seems like another way of stalling things in the interests of penny pinching these days.

 

[Delta Squad]

Good interview, even data security of AMCA following the recent cyber attack was also discussed.
Key points:
Rollout expected in 4 yrs
Production in 10 yrs
Other versions or configurations prototype rollout and testing in 7-10 yrs

 

[Javelin_Sam]

AMCA, TEDBF and the completely forgotten child in all the AMCA hysteria…..IMRH

CCS seems like another way of stalling things in the interests of penny pinching these days.

CCS can only happen once the entire design process is completed, accepted by user, the cost is derived for each sub-system and finally total cost for fabrication, flight tests etc are put in paper. And then this has to go to MoD, then MoFinance then finally PMO. CCS clearance comes after all this.
IMRH - HAL is still studying various design configurations,
TEDBF - Still Preliminary design is going on
Both the above projects are far from CCS at this point of time.
AMCA - seeing reports that system level CDR is complete. Its atleast 1 year away from CCS clearance

 

[mokoman]

 

[WarmongerLSK]

Just fucking no. Pls no. Using F35 to it's full potential will require us to spend stupendous amount of money. Remember, it is used as a part of a network. AIM mentions that its sensors send the data to a submarine which can then launch an attack. To use it to it's full potential, you need the subsystem on the submarine. Which we don't. We will be paying for a platform that we can't use to it's full potential.

 

[Tactical Doge]

Pakis will get J-31 from the Chinese, will start operating reasonable squadron strengths long before even the Rubber tyres For AMCA landing gears is manufactured

IAF leadership will convince the government to run to the feet of big daddy America, give them a shiiet tonne of money (money which invested earlier, would probably have given them the atmanirbhar AMCA) instead will assemble some crap here and paste the made in India sticker on it

We are all fooling each other with this thread when deep inside we know what's coming our way

 

[Flying Dagger]

Sorry my hopes were up that after LCA. The next development for at least non stealthy aircrafts should have been bit fast. But then alas ...

It's fast... Look at timeline of well developed industries like France German Japan etc even Russia due to multiple reasons haven't been able to field a 5th gen fighter jet yet.

 

[Gyyan]

And there is a very low chance we will do that pakistanis aren't getting FC-31 not with their bankrupt economy if anything they will be getting j10-CEs.
Most importantly we have paid about 7.87 billion euros for 36 rafales and not getting anymore (if we go for imports) is just stupid and getting anything else over it would be stupider.
And after navy giving green lights to rafale it's chances have gone up.

 

[THESIS THORON]

Just fucking no. Pls no. Using F35 to it's full potential will require us to spend stupendous amount of money. Remember, it is used as a part of a network. AIM mentions that its sensors send the data to a submarine which can then launch an attack. To use it to it's full potential, you need the subsystem on the submarine. Which we don't. We will be paying for a platform that we can't use to it's full potential.

how are they able to transmit rf signals underwater ?

 

[WarmongerLSK]

how are they able to transmit rf signals underwater ?

I don't think they transmit directly to submarine but using some other extra system.

 

[THESIS THORON]

I don't think they transmit directly to submarine but using some other extra system.

ya that looks much more plausible, they might be rerouting the information to vlf station, then that might be transmitting it to subs

 

[jai jaganath]

Just fucking no. Pls no. Using F35 to it's full potential will require us to spend stupendous amount of money. Remember, it is used as a part of a network. AIM mentions that its sensors send the data to a submarine which can then launch an attack. To use it to it's full potential, you need the subsystem on the submarine. Which we don't. We will be paying for a platform that we can't use to it's full potential.

Sorry to say but that AIM is ch****a
He speaks shits and forum members have countered it multiple times
He came with this theory that our system of different origin can't speak
Doesn't he know have our own data link and every systems that's in our service is part of it
Infact u check most of the communication equipments in foreign origin weapons are Indian
This theory we can't speak is flawed bro

 

[WarmongerLSK]

Sorry to say but that AIM is ch****a
He speaks shits and forum members have countered it multiple times
He came with this theory that our system of different origin can't speak
Doesn't he know have our own data link and every systems that's in our service is part of it
Infact u check most of the communication equipments in foreign origin weapons are Indian
This theory we can't speak is flawed bro

I don't disagree, just today I saw him suggest we go for Grippen over Tejas. But the point stands regarding F35.

 

[jai jaganath]

I don't disagree, just today I saw him suggest we go for Grippen over Tejas. But the point stands regarding F35.

Just like isreali f-35
We will have similar case

 

[johnj]

Just like isreali f-35
We will have similar case

How ?
isreali f-35 is second best after US. Only advantage of israel f35 is that, they can develop ew equipment and plug&play in f35. same data links.
Currently f35 can't share/link secure data/info with indian jets, afnet and usa need to develop/ing a downgraded f35 version.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

The F-35 deal has potential IF,
1. Lockheed can't have remote access and override authority on the Indian Jets.
2. No t&c attached to it's usage.
3. Customizability, Radar source code to match Indian weapons.
4. OEM certification on carrying Indian missiles in bay and launching in flight.
5. Secure Data link with other Indian jets.
6. Local production (Assembly) with set % usage of materials source from India.
7. Full maintenance, repair and overhaul facility in India.

If it happens, let's see how the IAF explains first why they paid a bomb for Rafale's MRO facility and line of spares for just 36 jets.

 

[FactsPlease]

If it happens, let's see how the IAF explains first why they paid a bomb for Rafale's MRO facility and line of spares for just 36 jets.

How hard can that be? If you got everything listed above - and I do mean it, it's EVERYTHING!! - all IAF need to say, easily and simply, is: "this F35 deal totally over-value prev Rafale one!!"
Put the other way: if India can got ALL those, why do we reject it?
Will you? Will anyone?

Saying that, I hold my breath and willing to bet my last penny: it won't happen!! (No such offer from USA. No signs they need India that much! Or, they haven't run out of every manipulation against China!!)

Facts, please!

 

[Blademaster]

Just fucking no. Pls no. Using F35 to it's full potential will require us to spend stupendous amount of money. Remember, it is used as a part of a network. AIM mentions that its sensors send the data to a submarine which can then launch an attack. To use it to it's full potential, you need the subsystem on the submarine. Which we don't. We will be paying for a platform that we can't use to it's full potential.

Where did you get that info?? That would require a significant use of resources and easily detected.

 

[johnj]

The F-35 deal has potential IF,
1. Lockheed can't have remote access and override authority on the Indian Jets.
2. No t&c attached to it's usage.
3. Customizability, Radar source code to match Indian weapons.
4. OEM certification on carrying Indian missiles in bay and launching in flight.
5. Secure Data link with other Indian jets.
6. Local production (Assembly) with set % usage of materials source from India.
7. Full maintenance, repair and overhaul facility in India.

If it happens, let's see how the IAF explains first why they paid a bomb for Rafale's MRO facility and line of spares for just 36 jets.
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US only agree on [7] and its cost more[2/3x] than rafale mro costs.

 

[jai jaganath]

How ?
isreali f-35 is second best after US. Only advantage of israel f35 is that, they can develop ew equipment and plug&play in f35. same data links.
Currently f35 can't share/link secure data/info with indian jets, afnet and usa need to develop/ing a downgraded f35 version.

In isreali f-35 they have used their own ew systems and communication systems iys their version
Similarly like many reports have said if we have to buy we have to customize it just like them but that doesn't mean what isrealis have done we have to do the same
We have our requirements and they have to modify it accordingly just in case of rafale
Importantly we have to develope its communication systems to integrate it which I don't think that we can't do
And other changes what iaf requires
It will happen
I mean if we buy the f-35 will be modified with our requirement to set it up in our afnet and datalink