AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Dark Sorrow]

Thats the old one ....see the latest

Can you post the article.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[tribendra bisoi..]

There was news in march that HAL seeking cabinet approval for AMCA prototype . What happened ?

Def ministry starts process for obtaining CCS approval for AMCA project: MoS Ajay Bhatt

New Delhi, Mar 14 (PTI) The defence ministry has initiated the process of obtaining the Prime Minister-led CCS’ approval for the design and prototype development of the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), Minister of State for Defence Ajay Bhatt said on Monday. India has been working on the...

theprint.in

 

[Javelin_Sam]

There was news in march that HAL seeking cabinet approval for AMCA prototype . What happened ?

Def ministry starts process for obtaining CCS approval for AMCA project: MoS Ajay Bhatt

New Delhi, Mar 14 (PTI) The defence ministry has initiated the process of obtaining the Prime Minister-led CCS’ approval for the design and prototype development of the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), Minister of State for Defence Ajay Bhatt said on Monday. India has been working on the...

theprint.in

No body will give cabinet approval without completing cdr.

 

[pipebomb]

Targeting pod can be removed in stealth mode, but yeah ,It's more like a KF-21 but with IWB

What are primary missions of a '5th gen' fighter beside air superiority, to me it is deep penetration to carry out SEAD or strike at high value target. Now SEAD mission will probably be against a stationary target (though time sensitive). Only targeting of high value has a small chance of being a dynamic one (for eg. weapons shipments or nukes). IMHO EOTS only help in dynamic targeting or BDA, rest can be carried out without one.

 

[IndianHawk]

Don't read too much in few images . If they are released to media they may be very old by now.

 

[johnj]

What are primary missions of a '5th gen' fighter beside air superiority, to me it is deep penetration to carry out SEAD or strike at high value target. Now SEAD mission will probably be against a stationary target (though time sensitive). Only targeting of high value has a small chance of being a dynamic one (for eg. weapons shipments or nukes). IMHO EOTS only help in dynamic targeting or BDA, rest can be carried out without one.

SEAD with what ? Most of surveillance RF sensor & FCR can change its positions, not so stationary.
Only F35 capable of SEAD in stealth mode [in future] using ARM.

 

[pipebomb]

SEAD with what ? Most of surveillance RF sensor & FCR can change its positions, not so stationary.
Only F35 capable of SEAD in stealth mode [in future] using ARM.

Drdo istar, netra and other signit aircraft(maybe even ghatak) will do the sniffing and transfer that info through secure datalinks to amca. NATO are providing a similar service to Ukraine.

 

[johnj]

Drdo istar, netra and other signit aircraft(maybe even ghatak) will do the sniffing and transfer that info through secure datalinks to amca. NATO are providing a similar service to Ukraine.

surveillance & SEAD were two different things.
So question is how may S400 destroyed by Ukraine so far ?

 

[pipebomb]

surveillance & SEAD were two different things.
So question is how may S400 destroyed by Ukraine so far ?

I said 'similar', which is not a synonym for exact. First ukraine doesn't has 5th gen aircraft , second i don't get debrief from Ukrainian or Russian MOD every morning with my chai. I pointed out something which are widely reported.

 

[johnj]

I said 'similar', which is not a synonym for exact. First ukraine doesn't has 5th gen aircraft , second i don't get debrief from Ukrainian or Russian MOD every morning with my chai. I pointed out something which are widely reported.

Not similar, or close, but two different things.
SEAD is a dangerous operations, that is why long range missile is required, developed stealth, etc. and need special aircraft [weapon] do the job.
On the other hand, istar, netra and other signit aircraft only provide real time surveillance/data collection from safe distance, not good in case of SEAD.
F 35 can enter into highly dangerous places, obtain data, destroy targets from safe location, including fcr[with out other assets], in the case of amca, it use[control] cats/stealth drone for SEAD, and can use ARM [non stealth mode, initially].

 

[pipebomb]

Not similar, or close, but two different things.
SEAD is a dangerous operations, that is why long range missile is required, developed stealth, etc. and need special aircraft [weapon] do the job.
On the other hand, istar, netra and other signit aircraft only provide real time surveillance/data collection from safe distance, not good in case of SEAD.
F 35 can enter into highly dangerous places, obtain data, destroy targets from safe location, including fcr[with out other assets], in the case of amca, it use[control] cats/stealth drone for SEAD, and can use ARM [non stealth mode, initially].

Let me ask you this, how did Ukrainian get weapons grade track for moskova, a highly mobile target, it can't be tb2.

The only problem i see in AMCA is a small weapons bay. Rest of shortcomings can be fixed with international development.

 

[johnj]

Let me ask you this, how did Ukrainian get weapons grade track for moskova, a highly mobile target, it can't be tb2.

The only problem i see in AMCA is a small weapons bay. Rest of shortcomings can be fixed with international development.

moskova -hit by a missile, so the main question is how ?? a vessel armed with multilayer AD system. Also it is not a SEAD operation.
Except Engines or Advanced stealth, we don't need any help, in the case of amca.
For 5th gen jets small weapons bay is normal. [f22 can't carry ARM internally]

 

[radion]

F35

Amca

 

[Blademaster]

Let me ask you this, how did Ukrainian get weapons grade track for moskova, a highly mobile target, it can't be tb2.

The only problem i see in AMCA is a small weapons bay. Rest of shortcomings can be fixed with international development.

NATO tracking and relaying of tracking data.

 

[THESIS THORON]

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me thinks that, fixed ref probe and other shietz are either for proto as they don't want to risk protos and in production variant will come with all tech.

 

[binayak95]

What are primary missions of a '5th gen' fighter beside air superiority, to me it is deep penetration to carry out SEAD or strike at high value target. Now SEAD mission will probably be against a stationary target (though time sensitive). Only targeting of high value has a small chance of being a dynamic one (for eg. weapons shipments or nukes). IMHO EOTS only help in dynamic targeting or BDA, rest can be carried out without one.

SEAD is no longer a manned fighter's cup of tea.

 

[binayak95]

moskova -hit by a missile, so the main question is how ?? a vessel armed with multilayer AD system. Also it is not a SEAD operation.
Except Engines or Advanced stealth, we don't need any help, in the case of amca.
For 5th gen jets small weapons bay is normal. [f22 can't carry ARM internally]

the Moskva was plagued by bad servicing, poor trained crews, massive blind sectors in her radar coverage, smart employment of TB2 to divert her primary air search radars, and NATO provided the track to get those missiles on target (read as USAF ELINT birds)

 

[johnj]

the Moskva was plagued by bad servicing, poor trained crews, massive blind sectors in her radar coverage, smart employment of TB2 to divert her primary air search radars, and NATO provided the track to get those missiles on target (read as USAF ELINT birds)

I consider these points - bad servicing, poor trained crews.

 

[SARTHAK]

the Moskva was plagued by bad servicing, poor trained crews, massive blind sectors in her radar coverage, smart employment of TB2 to divert her primary air search radars, and NATO provided the track to get those missiles on target (read as USAF ELINT birds)

i got to know from a indian navy vetren that moskva's sailing route had a repetitive pattern and in case of war ,ships avoid this as it makes them vulnerable to detection, he was pretty experienced and possibly right though i have no knowledge of naval domain