AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Arjun Mk1A]

Looks like DSI intake is present.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

AMCA to be ready for 5 more years....i.e by 2027

This is the proposed timeline. If all goes according to plan than AMCA's manufacturing is to start by 2028.

 

[radion]

Looks like DSI intake is present.

DSI intake and targeting pod was always present in aero india models

Methinks they are trying to go with tried and tested stuff. Trying to go for DAS and EOTS this quick is stupid. But i thought they would go for das and eots after developing irst , dcmaws for mwf;targeting pod is yet to come iirc
Wouldnt be a problem honestly if chinese dont field j20's in the tibet front and if j35 didnt get potentially commisioned before type -003 which means start of exports and pakis get a 5th gen before us but yeah this is a bummer.
2035 for production.
2 squadrons of the above mk1 amca(2x18 = 36)
If we assume 8 per year starting from 2037,
2036-4
2037-8
2038-8
2039-8
2040-8
2040+ is when a proper 5th gen in all aspects(amca mk2) is gonna get inducted.

 

[Vamsi]

This is the proposed timeline. If all goes according to plan than AMCA's manufacturing is to start by 2028.

That 2027 timeline is for 1st flight not for series production

 

[Vamsi]

DSI intake and targeting pod was always present in aero india models
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Methinks they are trying to go with tried and tested stuff. Trying to go for DAS and EOTS this quick is stupid. But i thought they would go for das and eots after developing irst , dcmaws for mwf;targeting pod is yet to come iirc
Wouldnt be a problem honestly if chinese dont field j20's in the tibet front and if j35 didnt get potentially commisioned before type -003 which means start of exports and pakis get a 5th gen before us but yeah this is a bummer.
2035 for production.
2 squadrons of the above mk1 amca(2x18 = 36)
If we assume 8 per year starting from 2037,
2036-4
2037-8
2038-8
2039-8
2040-8
2040+ is when a proper 5th gen in all aspects(amca mk2) is gonna get inducted.

I too think AMCA Mk-1 will enter service only after 2035....I won't be surprised if it is pushed to 2040

 

[Vamsi]

Wtf!
An irst and targeting pod
This is suicidal
Even j-20 is more stealthy than this
That to by 2027
We are running 3 decades back

Targeting pod can be removed in stealth mode, but yeah ,It's more like a KF-21 but with IWB

 

[Dark Sorrow]

That 2027 timeline is for 1st flight not for series production

2024-25 is suppose to be timeline for 1st flight .

 

[Chandragupta Shaurya]

If AMCA is going to use IRST pod similar to Tejas Mk2. Then why are they developing this one.

The previous iteration of AMCA did feature a pod similar to what we see in the video.

Maybe the future prototypes will feature an EOTS pod. Once we have a system mature enough to be installed in the AMCA.

 

[Love Charger]

If AMCA is going to use IRST pod similar to Tejas Mk2. Then why are they developing this one.

The previous iteration of AMCA did feature a pod similar to what we see in the video.

Maybe the future prototypes will feature an EOTS pod. Once we have a system mature enough to be installed in the AMCA.

Is the guy on the elephant in your profile picture holding a gun ?

 

[Chandragupta Shaurya]

Is the guy on the elephant in your profile picture holding a gun ?

Yes sir

 

[MonaLazy]

Spoiler

Possibility of Pakistan getting early access to Chinese 5th gen fighters may force India to opt for F-35s: Japanese defense think-tank

Our defence procurement is still Pakistan driven! Hope their economy stays on the ventilator forever so they are never able to afford anything.

 

[Bleh]

Iss video mey AMCA pey IRST aur targetting pod dekh kar thoda darr lagg raha hai, pata chala apna AMCA mk1 KF-21 jaisa nikla toh mey honestly roh dunga

Abhi ro de fir... AMCA Mk1 was always supposed to have those. Stealthy EOTS, internal pods abhi feasible nahi, that's why Mk2 ko seperate kiya gya.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I too think AMCA Mk-1 will enter service only after 2035....I won't be surprised if it is pushed to 2040

2035 is the proposed timeline for AMCA Mk. 2

 

[ShukantC]

Abhi ro de fir... AMCA Mk1 was always supposed to have those. Stealthy EOTS, internal pods abhi feasible nahi, that's why Mk2 ko seperate kiya gya.

internal weapons bay hoga ya nahin ya phir woh bhi mk2 mey aayega

 

[radion]

2035 is the proposed timeline for AMCA Mk. 2

The AMCA will be a next generation game changer with highly stealth features, 360 degree Enhanced Situation Awareness, internal weapon carriage etc. The LCA Mk2 aircraft is slated for production by 2027-2028 and AMCA by mid-2035.

HAL CMD(November 2021)

With Certainty, LCA MK 2 Aircraft Is Slated To Enter Production By 2027 And AMCA By 2035--HAL CMD R. Madhavan

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has an order basket of Rs 1 lakh crore, even as its sole preserve of manufacturing aircraft and equipment for the Indian defence forces gets invaded by private sector competitors. HAL is leveraging on its depth and confidence from LCA Tejas to Combat...

www.businessworld.in

Mr. Madhavan said the prototype of the aircraft is likely to be ready by 2026 and its production could start by 2030. He added that the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) was working on the timelines for the project.

HAL CMD(Jan 2021)
3 yrs between first flight and introduction lol

Tejas Mark II to roll out next year; high-speed trials in 2023: HAL Chief Madhavan

www.thehindu.com

Addressing a press conference ahead of Air Force Day on October 8, Mr Bhadauria also said the Defence Research and Development Organisation has set a target of 2027 to roll out an advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA).

Former air chief rks bhaduria(oct 2020)

India Working On Directed Energy Weapons, Swarm Drones: IAF Chief

Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria on Monday said India has initiated the process for indigenous development of futuristic military systems like directed energy weapons, optionally manned combat platforms and swarm drones to bolster the country's defence prowess.

www.ndtv.com

Deodhare presented an incremental development plan for indigenous manned combat aircraft, in which the current Tejas Mark 1 would be followed by the improved Mark 1A, the AMCA Mark 1, the navy’s “twin engine deck-based fighter” (TEDBF) and finally the AMCA Mark 2 by 2035.

Girish Deodhare head of ADA.(jan 2021)

Tejas Mark II to roll out next year; high-speed trials in 2023: HAL Chief Madhavan

www.thehindu.com

This is the only source i can find for your claim. When mk 1 is gonna be rolled out on 2026, they expect 2035 to be mk2.In the source it also does not say whether 2035 is roll out, first flight or introduction.
Imo 2035 is when mk2 will roll out. Why?

If a deal is signed, Safran said that it could potentially take until the end of the decade for the new engine to be developed.

Author's own opinion based on a third party(safran)

Negotiations for Indo-French AMCA engine in progress

India's negotiations with French engine manufacturer Safran for the co-development of a new engine for India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) has become...

www.janes.com

If 2030 is when the new engine goes online then 2035 is pretty fine for a rollout or first flight with 2040+ for production for mk2

Anyway with this 2026,27,28(anywhere within these years) is when the roll out as well as first flight will happen.

 

[SARTHAK]

Iss video mey AMCA pey IRST aur targetting pod dekh kar thoda darr lagg raha hai, pata chala apna AMCA mk1 KF-21 jaisa nikla toh mey honestly roh dunga

afaik tejas mk2 is getting improved dcmaws(360 deg ir sensors) so it is not possible for amca to not have eodas , eots(integrated a2g targeting pod) can be doubtful but not eodas(360 deg ir sensors for a2a)

 

[radion]

Meaning

f-35 eots as well as das does the work of a normal irst + FLIR(targeting pod) + dcmaws and even more stuff.The former and the latter might be doing more work as well but i cant be bothered to look it up. DRDO has to master the latter 3 before it makes the former two.

Honestly f35 development costs have been so high that we should be glad with what we are getting.Theirs 40 billion vs our 2 billion

 

[vampyrbladez]

Digital Engineering.

I thought only the US was experimenting with the concept under Will Roper, Former Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition, Technology & Logistics of the United States.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/breaki...elect-not-all-that-far-away-says-kendall/amp/

https://www.defenseone.com/technolo...uilt-air-forces-new-fighter-prototype/168505/

 

[Vamsi]

2035 is the proposed timeline for AMCA Mk. 2

Thats the old one ....see the latest

 

[SARTHAK]

Meaning

eodas is name given to irst system of f35(it has 6 sensors spread across the body)

In an interview in the last held aero india it was said by ADA official that tejas mk2 will have improved version of dc maws on tejas mk2 , that means spherical coverage for tejas mk2 , technically ir sensor used in MAWS is dual band and ir sensor in irst support 3 band ,so if we can implement dual band ir spherical coverage in tejas mk2 why should implementing 3 band ir sensor be a problem on amca

problem would be eots (which is name given to targeting pod of f35) , drdo has not yet made a targeting pod as far as i know(i maybe wrong) , so eots for amca will be a challenge from technical pov