AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[pipebomb]

I would not suggest so .

1) manuverability is seen by thryst to weight ratio alongside body shaping , amca is more optimized for manuverability compared to raw stealth , as raw stealth aircraft face more strain on body parts and higher down time for aircraft and more maintenance too .

Is this thrust to weight ratio comprises of

a) Wet thrust of both engines/ maximum takeoff weight
or
b) Dry thrust of both engines/ maximum takeoff weight

And isn't option (a) is of little use given wet thrust is available for few seconds or minutes

 

[Lonewolf]

Is this thrust to weight ratio comprises of

a) Wet thrust of both engines/ maximum takeoff weight
or
b) Dry thrust of both engines/ maximum takeoff weight

And isn't option (a) is of little use given wet thrust is available for few seconds or minutes

Thrust to weight ratio can be generated for both , total thrust / total weight (in same units ) , gives you twr fir that plane at given weight , for supercruise , try comparison with f 22 in twr for true supercruise

 

[sorcerer]

Midhani supplies titanium alloy for medium combat jets’ airframe | Hyderabad News - Times of India


HYDERABAD: As India works to further strengthen its armed forces by equipping them with the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA), Hyderabad-based defence PSU, Midhani, has begun supplying the titanium alloy material needed to make the airframe for the aircraft.
“The airframe is an important part of AMCA which is being developed for the first time in India. Other structures come up on airframe and to make it, we have provided a strategic titanium alloy. Some of the requirements have already been met,” Midhani CMD Sanjay Kumar Jha told TOI.

Midhani supplies titanium alloy for medium combat jets’ airframe | Hyderabad News - Times of India

As India works to further strengthen its armed forces by equipping them with the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA), Hyderabad-based defence PSU,

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[SavageKing456]

 

[FalconSlayers]

So it mean airframe construction for the prototype has started.

 

[SavageKing456]

So it mean airframe construction for the prototype has started.

Yes it would not be a flying prototype though it would be a RCS testing model,but it would have actual engineered components.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Yes it would not be a flying prototype though it would be a RCS testing model,but it would have actual engineered components.

When the fuck will we start making prototype then?

 

[SavageKing456]

When the fuck will we start making prototype then?

This RCS testing model is under development by vem technologies,would have no effect on the rollout of original flying prototype as different player would handle it,regarding the making of prototype,we are waiting from molana modi to fund the program.

 

[lcafanboy]

Midhani supplies titanium alloy for medium combat jets’ airframe | Hyderabad News - Times of India

As India works to further strengthen its armed forces by equipping them with the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA), Hyderabad-based defence PSU,

m.timesofindia.com

It seems like Airframe construction has started.....

 

[lcafanboy]

 

[WARREN SS]

And this what Real VLO production line looks like

Imagine HAL babus reaching this sophistication
In next Birth

 

[ShukantC]

And this what Real VLO production line looks like

Imagine HAL babus reaching this sophistication
In next Birth

bhai budget bhi toh hona chahiye

 

[doreamon]

And this what Real VLO production line looks like

Imagine HAL babus reaching this sophistication
In next Birth

Lockheed marteen produced 180 units of f35 in a year ... . There is no comaprision anywhere in the world . Not even france or china . Its a big company and has clients all over the world for half a century or more .. Unfair to compare it with HAL .

 

[Aditya Ballal]

See the LCA Tejas assembly line and look at Sukhois assembly line(1st and 2nd pic), I belive the Tejas assembly line is heavily inspired by the one set up by Sukhoi in Nashik. Compare it to the American Automobile assembly line like set up by Lockheed Martin for the F-35 below

Two completely different assembly line philosophies.

HAL/Sukhoi assemble most of the plane in one fixed spot, whereas the Americans move the aircraft to a different area along the line for each stage of assembly like a conveyor belt.
HAL/Sukhoi finish their assembly in one relatively smaller factory building or hangar, whereas the F 35 one is a huge facility that is nearly a mile long and obviously cost much more.
None of the pics belong to me.
See how a plane is assembled in the American style set up,

 

[Aditya Ballal]

To maintain and sustain such a large and complex assembly line, you will need orders in the 100s not single or double digit orders, do not expect such large assembly lines from HAL when we do not have the capacity to give such large orders ourselves or convince others to share the burden along with us like what Lockheed and the US did for the F 35.

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See the LCA Tejas assembly line and look at Sukhois assembly line(1st and 2nd pic), I belive the Tejas assembly line is heavily inspired by the one set up by Sukhoi in Nashik. Compare it to the American Automobile assembly line like set up by Lockheed Martin for the F-35 below
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Two completely different assembly line philosophies.

HAL/Sukhoi assemble most of the plane in one fixed spot, whereas the Americans move the aircraft to a different area along the line for each stage of assembly like a conveyor belt.
HAL/Sukhoi finish their assembly in one relatively smaller factory building or hangar, whereas the F 35 one is a huge facility that is nearly a mile long and obviously cost much more.
None of the pics belong to me.
See how a plane is assembled in the American style set up,

 

[Aditya Ballal]

View attachment 103925
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View attachment 103926
See the LCA Tejas assembly line and look at Sukhois assembly line(1st and 2nd pic), I belive the Tejas assembly line is heavily inspired by the one set up by Sukhoi in Nashik. Compare it to the American Automobile assembly line like set up by Lockheed Martin for the F-35 below
View attachment 103930
Two completely different assembly line philosophies.

HAL/Sukhoi assemble most of the plane in one fixed spot, whereas the Americans move the aircraft to a different area along the line for each stage of assembly like a conveyor belt.
HAL/Sukhoi finish their assembly in one relatively smaller factory building or hangar, whereas the F 35 one is a huge facility that is nearly a mile long and obviously cost much more.
None of the pics belong to me.
See how a plane is assembled in the American style set up,

To maintain and sustain such a large and complex assembly line, you will need orders in the 100s not single or double digit orders, do not expect such large assembly lines from HAL when we do not have the capacity to give such large orders ourselves or convince others to share the burden along with us like what Lockheed and the US did for the F 35.

Both Dassault and Saab follow somewhat of a hybrid production line combining elements of the two systems I've already spoken about for the Rafale and Gripen respectively, where few stages are done in smaller hangars of factories and few other stages as well as final assembly takes place in a conveyor belt type of method.
We can possibly explore such methods for the HAL MWF and AMCA where there are larger expected orders.

 

[WARREN SS]

Lockheed marteen produced 180 units of f35 in a year ... . There is no comaprision anywhere in the world . Not even france or china . Its a big company and has clients all over the world for half a century or more .. Unfair to compare it with HAL .

Chinese will outpace them in next 5 years
As of now They built 150 +
Simultaneously Doing More R&D to improve it


Lockheed is smaller company compared to Airbus and boeing with
Net worth of 64 billion $

Point is not number of production its sophistication of production
Airbus and Boeing are more Advanced when it comes to sophistication and Modernity

For matter of fact SAAB and France are decade ahead in compared to HAL in terms of modern assembly of aircrafts.

Even if HAL is provided with level of funding
Lockheed has which is pure Private conglomerate

Unlike HAL.

89 % GOI owned

There is reason both Boeing and Dassaut ended there partnership with HAL

Even after manufacturing
Over 400+ aircrafts they still lack sophistication
And adapting to technical upgrades.

 

[warriorextreme]

And this what Real VLO production line looks like

Imagine HAL babus reaching this sophistication
In next Birth

In India we fight so many external and internal ill wishers that we cannot just blame HAL babus for the current state we are in.

 

[warriorextreme]

To maintain and sustain such a large and complex assembly line, you will need orders in the 100s not single or double digit orders, do not expect such large assembly lines from HAL when we do not have the capacity to give such large orders ourselves or convince others to share the burden along with us like what Lockheed and the US did for the F 35.

And we all know how US has managed to build such huge WMD industry. Their agents trigger wars which in turn keep these assembly lines running. We do not have intentions to do this so we will never has such humungous WMD Industry.

 

[WARREN SS]

In India we fight so many external and internal ill wishers that we cannot just blame HAL babus for the current state we are in.

It's typical Randi rona which we Indians good at

Hal will give next excuse when they will miss
LCA MK1A and MWF deadlines that what Babus do
Military leadership and babus are hand gloves in this corrupt Syndicate

If Congess comes then say goodbye to AMCA to 2040

Lack of accountability of DPSU's

OFB is best example How entitled these Socialistic mofos are.

Are you surprised on what Politicians are doing on what they known for.

What about military professionals??

DRDO atags
Arjun there are many examples I can give you.

Parrikar tried to change it he was sabotaged by
Media hit jobs

And forced to go to Goa again.

Raj nath is a Yes guy and typical old guard politician who has old perception of Military

Military and Bureaucracy knows how make fool out of Politicians in india who lack basic skills to understand S for statergic affairs.