AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

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And we all know how US has managed to build such huge WMD industry. Their agents trigger wars which in turn keep these assembly lines running. We do not have intentions to do this so we will never has such humungous WMD Industry.
There is war next to our door

Who are we watching like Bunch of pansy ass
Waiting for them to hit us

Which perfect example to kick of own MIC
.
Who ever Planned for R&AW of creating LTTE
Was serious mofo

Modern leaders lack Balls to take Tough call

Dislike Bush for whatever reason he was One serious mofo to invade Afghanistan and Iraq 🇮🇶
 

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There is war next to our door

Who are we watching like Bunch of pansy ass
Waiting for them to hit us

Which perfect example to kick of own MIC
.
Who ever Planned for R&AW of creating LTTE
Was serious mofo

Modern leaders lack Balls to take Tough call

Dislike Bush for whatever reason he was One serious mofo to invade Afghanistan and Iraq 🇮🇶
I don't understand how you have perceived my comment but what I was trying to say was that these major companies actually trigger the wars and government decisions in US as well as other countries and then sit in a comfortable positions were they can sell weapons to both the sides. No Indian company is that powerful so we can never expect any Indian Weapons Manufacturer to be on par with these American companies in terms of production.
 
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Chinese will outpace them in next 5 years
As of now They built 150 +
Simultaneously Doing More R&D to improve it


Lockheed is smaller company compared to Airbus and boeing with
Net worth of 64 billion $

Point is not number of production its sophistication of production
Airbus and Boeing are more Advanced when it comes to sophistication and Modernity

For matter of fact SAAB and France are decade ahead in compared to HAL in terms of modern assembly of aircrafts.

Even if HAL is provided with level of funding
Lockheed has which is pure Private conglomerate

Unlike HAL.

89 % GOI owned

There is reason both Boeing and Dassaut ended there partnership with HAL

Even after manufacturing
Over 400+ aircrafts they still lack sophistication
And adapting to technical upgrades.
Before Tejas, HAL was manufacturing foreign aircraft under ToT so how you can expect different way of manufacturing than original manufacturer. Su-30mki was manufactured in a same way as Russian manufacturer. Same goes to other PSUs.
But recently Pinaka rocket and Shivalik grenade being manufactured by private players with fully automatic assembly line.
 

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I don't understand how you have perceived my comment but what I was trying to say was that these major companies actually trigger the wars and government decisions in US as well as other countries and then sit in a comfortable positions were they can sell weapons to both the sides. No Indian company is that powerful so we can never expect any Indian Weapons Manufacturer to be on par with these American companies in terms of production.
Didn't US companies built from the Scratch
Right from the Independence war
There Doctrine is for survival
And adaptibility

It was Inherent in there British Imperialist Forfathers before that Norman's,Saxons, VIKINGS
They were Civiized Under Romans which was another Military industrial power based
On another MIC Power like Greeks.

It's purely Doctrine.

India since it's Independence never been had a Capitalistic ambition unlike
Our Empires in the past .
Congress Cultivated a False Culture of Pacifism
And unrealistic Idealism of Nehruvian era .
Which made us lost our Geopolitical and geostrategic relevance in initial phase of First Kashmir war and 1962 debacle.

THEN Trying to replicate Soviet model in a Multicultural Democracy like India
He miserably failed and so is his Experiments.

India of what we know today is created after 1990
Economic liberalization.
Which you can say is a True individual Independence in Economic terms.

Don't say our deep state cannot replicate US policy.

We perfectly demonstrated our Capibilities in 1971
And In Srilanka how to start regime change war.

Sadly our leaders didn't had balls to follow Unilateral policy when it comes to indian Geopolitical ambitions.

Trapping India into false idealistic and Pacifists idea of Nehruvian socialist model Synchronized with Gandhi Pacifists utopian notion.

That is why a Nation which is 7 Times smaller is
Equally standing along us in Geopolitical Levels
Internationally.

USA when it had GDP lower than India
Or in 1960's it's always had a clear unilateral Geopolitical Doctrine.

Chinese civilization learned from there past adopted its own idea of Geopolitical notion and now Dominating its rivals globally.

While Nations like India trapped in their false Cultural glory still Struggling to Find Geopolitical relevance.
 

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Before Tejas, HAL was manufacturing foreign aircraft under ToT so how you can expect different way of manufacturing than original manufacturer. Su-30mki was manufactured in a same way as Russian manufacturer. Same goes to other PSUs.
But recently Pinaka rocket and Shivalik grenade being manufactured by private players with fully automatic assembly line.
ISN'T Chinese started like same with Soviets
Matter of the Fact is Many DRDO Indigenously developed projects are Basically
Developed on Same Doctrine like Chinese Staterun
Model

Which is Basically a Further R&D development on Soviet manufactured products 🤔👀
 

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ISN'T Chinese started like same with Soviets
Matter of the Fact is Many DRDO Indigenously developed projects are Basically
Developed on Same Doctrine like Chinese Staterun
Model

Which is Basically a Further R&D development on Soviet manufactured products 🤔👀
Indeed, Soviet model for research etc was very good
Russia is reaping the benefits till now.
 

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Didn't US companies built from the Scratch
Right from the Independence war
There Doctrine is for survival
And adaptibility

It was Inherent in there British Imperialist Forfathers before that Norman's,Saxons, VIKINGS
They were Civiized Under Romans which was another Military industrial power based
On another MIC Power like Greeks.

It's purely Doctrine.

India since it's Independence never been had a Capitalistic ambition unlike
Our Empires in the past .
Congress Cultivated a False Culture of Pacifism
And unrealistic Idealism of Nehruvian era .
Which made us lost our Geopolitical and geostrategic relevance in initial phase of First Kashmir war and 1962 debacle.

THEN Trying to replicate Soviet model in a Multicultural Democracy like India
He miserably failed and so is his Experiments.

India of what we know today is created after 1990
Economic liberalization.
Which you can say is a True individual Independence in Economic terms.

Don't say our deep state cannot replicate US policy.

We perfectly demonstrated our Capibilities in 1971
And In Srilanka how to start regime change war.

Sadly our leaders didn't had balls to follow Unilateral policy when it comes to indian Geopolitical ambitions.

Trapping India into false idealistic and Pacifists idea of Nehruvian socialist model Synchronized with Gandhi Pacifists utopian notion.

That is why a Nation which is 7 Times smaller is
Equally standing along us in Geopolitical Levels
Internationally.

USA when it had GDP lower than India
Or in 1960's it's always had a clear unilateral Geopolitical Doctrine.

Chinese civilization learned from there past adopted its own idea of Geopolitical notion and now Dominating its rivals globally.

While Nations like India trapped in their false Cultural glory still Struggling to Find Geopolitical relevance.
I think you are saying exactly the same thing that I said that we cannot blame just HAL babus. Entire ecosystem of politicians, journalists, babus etc. etc. have kept us behind.

To your other point, no USA, Britain etc. did not develop everything from scratch. Some of their Technology was stolen from Nazi Germany.

 

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I think you are saying exactly the same thing that I said that we cannot blame just HAL babus. Entire ecosystem of politicians, journalists, babus etc. etc. have kept us behind.

To your other point, no USA, Britain etc. did not develop everything from scratch. Some of their Technology was stolen from Nazi Germany.

Nope it's conspiracy theories
Many Conglomerates like Ford,Colt and other already developed prior prior second world War

What usa did channeling every resources during war
Similar Soviets and British


Project Manhattan started way before WW2 in Late 20's
 

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No these are not conspiracy theories.

operation Paperclip did not stele technology from the Germany but was focused on getting Nazi scientist into US rather than going into hands of Soviet bloc or other country.

US had far more funds and technology projects on going then Germany could ever dream of.

Even for Moon mission the Saturn V rocket was from the competitor team of Von Braun and Von Braun's option was rejected.
 

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operation Paperclip did not stele technology from the Germany but was focused on getting Nazi scientist into US rather than going into hands of Soviet bloc or other country.

US had far more funds and technology projects on going then Germany could ever dream of.

Even for Moon mission the Saturn V rocket was from the competitor team of Von Braun and Von Braun's option was rejected.
To be honest Scientists are the real technology, if that is not the case then we could have easily replicated parts required for Kaveri engine as we are already building other more powerful engine for Sukhoi with ToT. But without the actual knowhow (that scientists have) those imported parts of engines cannot be made in India.

Also if you go through the wiki link there are below details:

Eighty-six aeronautical engineers were transferred to Wright Field, Ohio, where the United States had Luftwaffe aircraft and equipment captured under Operation Lusty (Luftwaffe Secret Technology).[30]

Special Mission V-2: April–May 1945 US operation, by Maj. William Bromley, that recovered parts and equipment for 100 V-2 missiles from a Mittelwerk underground factory in Kohnstein within the Soviet zone. Major James P. Hamill co-ordinated the transport of the equipment on 341 railroad cars with the 144th Motor Vehicle Assembly Company, from Nordhausen to Erfurt, just before the Soviets arrived.[155] (See also Operation Blossom, Broomstick Scientists, Hermes project, Operations Sandy and Pushover)
 

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To be honest Scientists are the real technology, if that is not the case then we could have easily replicated parts required for Kaveri engine as we are already building other more powerful engine for Sukhoi with ToT. But without the actual knowhow (that scientists have) those imported parts of engines cannot be made in India.

Also if you go through the wiki link there are below details:

Eighty-six aeronautical engineers were transferred to Wright Field, Ohio, where the United States had Luftwaffe aircraft and equipment captured under Operation Lusty (Luftwaffe Secret Technology).[30]

Special Mission V-2: April–May 1945 US operation, by Maj. William Bromley, that recovered parts and equipment for 100 V-2 missiles from a Mittelwerk underground factory in Kohnstein within the Soviet zone. Major James P. Hamill co-ordinated the transport of the equipment on 341 railroad cars with the 144th Motor Vehicle Assembly Company, from Nordhausen to Erfurt, just before the Soviets arrived.[155] (See also Operation Blossom, Broomstick Scientists, Hermes project, Operations Sandy and Pushover)
Scientists are needed for technical evolution but the the technology themselves.
There were a huge no of Nazi Scientist available after fall of Germany which needed to go into US bloc or Soviet Bloc both managed to get their fare share of them.
In Both places, Indigenous projects trumped over nazi scientists project.

There was nothing mythical about Nazi scientists!
 

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I remember reading:

1 AMCA should get the official go ahead by end 2021
2 Talks with RR on an engine should be concluded by end 2021

Is there any point in officially launching the project until an engine has been secured? If there is no deal on an engine for Mk2 (India says "no" or RR says "no") does AMCA Mk1 go ahead anyway?
 

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It's typical Randi rona which we Indians good at

Hal will give next excuse when they will miss
LCA MK1A and MWF deadlines that what Babus do
Military leadership and babus are hand gloves in this corrupt Syndicate

If Congess comes then say goodbye to AMCA to 2040

Lack of accountability of DPSU's

OFB is best example How entitled these Socialistic mofos are.

Are you surprised on what Politicians are doing on what they known for.

What about military professionals??

DRDO atags
Arjun there are many examples I can give you.

Parrikar tried to change it he was sabotaged by
Media hit jobs

And forced to go to Goa again.

Raj nath is a Yes guy and typical old guard politician who has old perception of Military

Military and Bureaucracy knows how make fool out of Politicians in india who lack basic skills to understand S for statergic affairs.
Satya vachan.

Every word of yours is true.

Keeping HAL as PSU suits our civil and military babooz. They can conveniently shift the blame to HAL whenever things get hot.

HAL is incorrigible. And, they are perennial whipping boys. So, they do not protest when abused. They pass on the blame onto the arcane procedures of GOI. Our IAS and IDAS babooz are totally unaccountable.

If GOI wants to change all this our opposition protests vociferously.

Hey Ram.

Hence, everyone is happy.
 

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