AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Tactical Doge]

Let us wait till the model is displayed at aero india.

Yes
Very eager
Btw, it's vemtech that's making the full-scale model right?

 

[Cruise missile]

Stole it
But
When he found out it was "gade ki tatti" he immediately delivered it to "playskool" to make khilonas for Hindu kids to play with

Or dildo for Muslim jihadins to play with.

 

[Karthi]

my editing skills are nil still tried to convey my idea through this edits , some other differences are beyond my editing skills , these differences means different air flow & aerodynamics and Different scattering pattern for RF signals. these changes will slightly affects the inner arrangements also . similarly differences are also visible in TEDBF with other

 

[Bleh]

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my editing skills are nil still tried to convey my idea through this edits , some other differences are beyond my editing skills , these differences means different air flow & aerodynamics and Different scattering pattern for RF signals. these changes will slightly affects the inner arrangements also . similarly differences are also visible in TEDBF with other

Fine, here... Use these.

But these bastards here are not the people you need to show this, are they?.. Go write some mean caption on Twitter or Reddit, like Has the effects of cousin-fucker blood entering the bat-eater genepool finally started to show its effect?"

 

[darshan978]

can someone please ban this idiot french troll

 

[WarriorIndian]

can someone please ban this idiot french troll

You dont know if he is a French.

 

[Annaa]

Amca vs j31 vs rafale

• Crew: One pilot
• Length: 17.2 m (56 ft 5 in)
• Height: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)
• Wing area: 39.9 m2 (429 sq ft)
• Empty weight: 11,000 kg (24,251 lb) (estimated)
• Gross weight: 18,000 kg (39,683 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 25,000[100] kg (55,116 lb) (estimated)
• Fuel capacity: 6,500kg
• Powerplant: 2 × Undecided[101] afterburning turbofan

Performance

• Maximum speed: Mach 2.15+[102]
• Range: 3,240 km (2,010 mi, 1,750 nmi)
• Combat range: 1,620 km (1,010 mi, 870 nmi)
• Ferry range: 5,324 km (3,308 mi, 2,875 nmi)
• Service ceiling: 20,000 m (65,000 ft)
• Rate of climb: 300 m/s (59,000 ft/min)

Armament

• Guns: 23 mm GSh-23 cannon
• Hardpoints:14 (in non stealth version) with a capacity of around 9 tons (expected),with provisions to carry combinations of:
  • Rockets: S-8 rocketpods (expected)
    • Air to air missiles
      • Astra IR
      • Astra Mark 1
      • Astra Mark 2
      • Astra Mark 3
    • Air to ground missiles
      • BrahMos NG[40]
      • SANT
      • Rudram-1
  • Bombs:
    • Laser-guided bomb
      • NG-LGB
    • Precision-guided munition
      • HSLD-100/250/450/500
      • DRDO SAAW
      • DRDO Glide Bombs
• J31...
  • Crew: one (pilot)
  • Length: 17.3 m (56 ft 9 in)
  • Wingspan: 11.5 m (37 ft 9 in)
  • Height: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)
  • Wing area: 40 m2 (430 sq ft) [62]
  • Max takeoff weight: 28,000 kg (61,729 lb) [63]
  • Powerplant: 2 × RD-93[64][65] afterburning turbofans, 85 kN (19,000 lbf) thrust each
  • Maximum speed: 2,200 km/h (1,400 mph, 1,200 kn)
  • Maximum speed: Mach 1.8
  • Combat range: 1,250 km (780 mi, 670 nmi) on internal fuel, or 2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) with external tanks
• Armament
  
  • Hardpoints: 6 x external, and internal bay[66] with a capacity of up to 8,000 kilograms (18,000 lb),[67] including 2,000 kilograms (4,400 lb) internally[66],
  • Missiles:
    • Air-to-air missiles:
      • 12 x medium-range[63]
    • Air-to-ground missiles:
      • 8 x supersonic[63]
  • Bombs:
    • 8 × 500 kg deep-penetration bombs[63]
    • 30 x smaller bombs[63]
• Avionics
  
  • KLJ-7A[63] AESA radar
  • Distributed aperture system (DAS) optical early-warning system[63]
  • Electro-optical targeting system (EOTEOTs

Rafale...

• Crew: 1 or 2
• Length: 15.27 m (50 ft 1 in)
• Wingspan: 10.90 m (35 ft 9 in)
• Height: 5.34 m (17 ft 6 in)
• Wing area: 45.7 m2 (492 sq ft)
• Empty weight: 10,300 kg (22,708 lb) (B)[69][306]

9,850 kilograms (21,720 lb) (C)[69][306]10,600 kilograms (23,400 lb) (M)[69][306]

• Gross weight: 15,000 kg (33,069 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (54,013 lb)
• Fuel capacity: 4,700 kg (10,362 lb) internal for single-seater (C); 4,400 kg (9,700 lb) for two-seater (B)
• Maximum fuel: (C): 16,550 l (4,370 US gal; 3,640 imp gal) (5,750 l (1,520 US gal; 1,260 imp gal) internal + 2,300 l (610 US gal; 510 imp gal) in 2x conformal tanks + 8,500 l (2,200 US gal; 1,900 imp gal) in 5 drop tanks)[citation needed]
• Powerplant: 2 × Snecma M88-4e turbofans, 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) thrust each [310] dry, 75 kN (17,000 lbf) with afterburner

Performance

• Maximum speed: 2,223 km/h (1,381 mph, 1,200 kn) [311] / Mach 1.8[312] at high altitude

1,390 km/h, 860 mph, 750 kn / Mach 1.1 at low altitude

• Supercruise:[313] Mach 1.4[citation needed]
• Combat range: 1,850 km (1,150 mi, 1,000 nmi) on penetration mission with three tanks (5,700 L), two SCALP-EG and two MICA AAMs.
• Ferry range: 3,700 km (2,300 mi, 2,000 nmi) with 3 drop tanks
• Service ceiling: 15,835 m (51,952 ft)
• g limits: +9 −3.6 (+11 in emergencies)[60][314][315]
• Rate of climb: 304.8 m/s (60,000 ft/min)
• Wing loading: 328 kg/m2 (67 lb/sq ft)
• Thrust/weight: 0.988 (100% fuel, 2 EM A2A missile, 2 IR A2A missile) version B

Armament

• Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.2 in) GIAT 30/M791 autocannon with 125 rounds
• Hardpoints:14 for Air Force versions (Rafale B/C), 13 for Navy version (Rafale M) with a capacity of 9,500 kg (20,900 lb) external fuel and ordnance,with provisions to carry combinations of:
  • Missiles:
  • Air-to-air:
    • Magic II
    • MBDA MICA IR or EM
    • MBDA Meteor
  • Air-to-ground:
    • MBDA Apache
    • MBDA Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG
    • AASM-Hammer (SBU-38/54/64)
    • GBU-12 Paveway II, GBU-22 Paveway III, GBU-24 Paveway III, GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II
    • AS-30L
    • Mark 82[316]
  • Air-to-surface:
    • MBDA AM 39-Exocet anti-ship missile
  • Nuclear Deterrence:
    • ASMP-A nuclear missile
  • Other:
    • Thales Damocles targeting pod
    • Thales AREOS (Airborne Recce Observation System) reconnaissance pod[317]
    • Thales TALIOS multi-function targeting pod[318]
    • Up to 5 drop tanks
    • Buddy-buddy refuelling pod[69]

Avionics

• Thales RBE2-AA AESA radar
• Thales SPECTRA Electronic Warfare system.
• Thales/SAGEM-OSF Optronique Secteur Frontal infra-red search and track (IRST) system

Who will win this race???

 

[Annaa]

Inki ek alag hi duniya h jahaan k ye bakhsha h
MALE-UCAV ZF-1 Viper. The information about this Multirole Stealth drone was first revealed at International Defence Exhibition and Seminar held at Karachi, this UAV will have both air-to-air and air-to-surface laser weapon capabilities, it will have a maximum takeoff weigh of 16000tons and a flight ceiling of 915000km and its speed will be Mach 8.0. Certain

 

[Tactical Doge]

Inki ek alag hi duniya h jahaan k ye bakhsha h
MALE-UCAV ZF-1 Viper. The information about this Multirole Stealth drone was first revealed at International Defence Exhibition and Seminar held at Karachi, this UAV will have both air-to-air and air-to-surface laser weapon capabilities, it will have a maximum takeoff weigh of 16000tons and a flight ceiling of 915000km and its speed will be Mach 8.0. Certain

Those are some ambitious goals
Will the Pakistani awaam scientists be able to meet the deadlines?????

 

[BlackViking]

Those are some ambitious goals
Will the Pakistani awaam scientists be able to meet the deadlines?????

Possible. They will green paint the donation they will be getting after serving their ass to the ETs. the PIA pilots took footage of the culmination of the meeting.

 

[Annaa]

Amca nose vs j20

 

[WarriorIndian]

Those are some ambitious goals
Will the Pakistani awaam scientists be able to meet the deadlines?????

Azm sirf Azm hi reh jaaayeega, haqiqat kabhi na banegi

 

[WarriorIndian]

Inki ek alag hi duniya h jahaan k ye bakhsha h
MALE-UCAV ZF-1 Viper. The information about this Multirole Stealth drone was first revealed at International Defence Exhibition and Seminar held at Karachi, this UAV will have both air-to-air and air-to-surface laser weapon capabilities, it will have a maximum takeoff weigh of 16000tons and a flight ceiling of 915000km and its speed will be Mach 8.0. Certain

Oh Bhai ! Agar inka Science and Technology minister, hubble space telescope SUPARCO ne launch kiya hai bol sakta hai, to kya kuch nahi bol sakte hai? Tax thodi na lagtha?

 

[Illusive]

Azm sirf Azm hi reh jaaayeega, haqiqat kabhi na banegi

Negotiations going on for J31 to be renamed to Azm but Chinese aerospace engineers are trying to convince the paki genrial that it won't come in green.

 

[Spitfire9]

Hello all. I'm new here.

I have followed the Tejas saga for a decade or so including the abortive Kaveri programme.

AMCA is an aircraft where perhaps the greatest unknown is how it will be powered. Without an engine providing adequate power it will have serious shortcomings.

What is the most likely course of action?

Pay GE to increase the power of the F414? What would that cost?
Pay Safran to redesign Kaveri with more power and limited TOT? What would that cost?
Pay RR to design an engine with limited TOT? What would that cost?
A JV with an established western manufacturer with TOT thrown in? IMHO that is a fantasy.

How much did India spend on Kaveri? I think less than $500 million. I suspect that the cost of any of the above possible options may surpass the entire spend on the Kaveri programme over 15 or so years and still leave India unable to design and produce her own fast jet engine.

 

[Lonewolf]

Hello all. I'm new here.

I have followed the Tejas saga for a decade or so including the abortive Kaveri programme.

AMCA is an aircraft where perhaps the greatest unknown is how it will be powered. Without an engine providing adequate power it will have serious shortcomings.

What is the most likely course of action?

Pay GE to increase the power of the F414? What would that cost?
Pay Safran to redesign Kaveri with more power and limited TOT? What would that cost?
Pay RR to design an engine with limited TOT? What would that cost?
A JV with an established western manufacturer with TOT thrown in? IMHO that is a fantasy.

How much did India spend on Kaveri? I think less than $500 million. I suspect that the cost of any of the above possible options may surpass the entire spend on the Kaveri programme over 15 or so years and still leave India unable to design and produce her own fast jet engine.

Jv with rr with ipr is best option looking at uk economy and rr rrcent order book. Also they are part of tempest so if we can chur out them well enough through young generation scientist , it would be useful

Till then 414 is selected

 

[Annaa]

What will be the sustained turn rate of amca??

 

[Spitfire9]

Jv with rr with ipr is best option looking at uk economy and rr rrcent order book. Also they are part of tempest so if we can chur out them well enough through young generation scientist , it would be useful

Till then 414 is selected

For ref at today's exchange rate:
£1 sterling = 99+ Indian rupees
£1 sterling = US$1.35+

??? RR defence order book last financial year: £5.3 billion (up 25% on previous year)

Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc 2019 Full Year Results

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I imagine that RR would be interested in a JV and conceivably would transfer some IPR but that would not come cheap. RR spent over £1 billion on R&D (all sectors) last financial year.

F414 does not produce the 110kN needed so AMCA Mk1 is going to be underpowered. I suspect that a very substantial amount of money wiould be needed for India to get anywhere near having a fast jet engine capability.

 

[joy_tilak]

Jv with rr with ipr is best option looking at uk economy and rr rrcent order book. Also they are part of tempest so if we can chur out them well enough through young generation scientist , it would be useful

Till then 414 is selected

Does IP include complete know how and know why for the core of the engine to be developed?

 

[Lonewolf]

Does IP include complete know how and know why for the core of the engine to be developed?

That would be buck buisness , we pay more , our scientist and engineer are good we get value for money