AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

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my editing skills are nil still tried to convey my idea through this edits , some other differences are beyond my editing skills , these differences means different air flow & aerodynamics and Different scattering pattern for RF signals. these changes will slightly affects the inner arrangements also . similarly differences are also visible in TEDBF with other
 

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my editing skills are nil still tried to convey my idea through this edits , some other differences are beyond my editing skills , these differences means different air flow & aerodynamics and Different scattering pattern for RF signals. these changes will slightly affects the inner arrangements also . similarly differences are also visible in TEDBF with other
Fine, here... Use these.
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But these bastards here are not the people you need to show this, are they?.. Go write some mean caption on Twitter or Reddit, like Has the effects of cousin-fucker blood entering the bat-eater genepool finally started to show its effect?"
 
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Amca vs j31 vs rafale
  • Crew: One pilot
  • Length: 17.2 m (56 ft 5 in)
  • Height: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)
  • Wing area: 39.9 m2 (429 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 11,000 kg (24,251 lb) (estimated)
  • Gross weight: 18,000 kg (39,683 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 25,000[100] kg (55,116 lb) (estimated)
  • Fuel capacity: 6,500kg
  • Powerplant: 2 × Undecided[101] afterburning turbofan
Performance

  • Maximum speed: Mach 2.15+[102]
  • Range: 3,240 km (2,010 mi, 1,750 nmi)
  • Combat range: 1,620 km (1,010 mi, 870 nmi)
  • Ferry range: 5,324 km (3,308 mi, 2,875 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 20,000 m (65,000 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 300 m/s (59,000 ft/min)
Armament

Rafale...
  • Crew: 1 or 2
  • Length: 15.27 m (50 ft 1 in)
  • Wingspan: 10.90 m (35 ft 9 in)
  • Height: 5.34 m (17 ft 6 in)
  • Wing area: 45.7 m2 (492 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 10,300 kg (22,708 lb) (B)[69][306]
9,850 kilograms (21,720 lb) (C)[69][306]10,600 kilograms (23,400 lb) (M)[69][306]
  • Gross weight: 15,000 kg (33,069 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (54,013 lb)
  • Fuel capacity: 4,700 kg (10,362 lb) internal for single-seater (C); 4,400 kg (9,700 lb) for two-seater (B)
  • Maximum fuel: (C): 16,550 l (4,370 US gal; 3,640 imp gal) (5,750 l (1,520 US gal; 1,260 imp gal) internal + 2,300 l (610 US gal; 510 imp gal) in 2x conformal tanks + 8,500 l (2,200 US gal; 1,900 imp gal) in 5 drop tanks)[citation needed]
  • Powerplant: 2 × Snecma M88-4e turbofans, 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) thrust each [310] dry, 75 kN (17,000 lbf) with afterburner
Performance

  • Maximum speed: 2,223 km/h (1,381 mph, 1,200 kn) [311] / Mach 1.8[312] at high altitude
1,390 km/h, 860 mph, 750 kn / Mach 1.1 at low altitude
  • Supercruise:[313] Mach 1.4[citation needed]
  • Combat range: 1,850 km (1,150 mi, 1,000 nmi) on penetration mission with three tanks (5,700 L), two SCALP-EG and two MICA AAMs.
  • Ferry range: 3,700 km (2,300 mi, 2,000 nmi) with 3 drop tanks
  • Service ceiling: 15,835 m (51,952 ft)
  • g limits: +9 −3.6 (+11 in emergencies)[60][314][315]
  • Rate of climb: 304.8 m/s (60,000 ft/min)
  • Wing loading: 328 kg/m2 (67 lb/sq ft)
  • Thrust/weight: 0.988 (100% fuel, 2 EM A2A missile, 2 IR A2A missile) version B
Armament

  • Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.2 in) GIAT 30/M791 autocannon with 125 rounds
  • Hardpoints:14 for Air Force versions (Rafale B/C), 13 for Navy version (Rafale M) with a capacity of 9,500 kg (20,900 lb) external fuel and ordnance,with provisions to carry combinations of:
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Who will win this race???
 

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MALE-UCAV ZF-1 Viper. The information about this Multirole Stealth drone was first revealed at International Defence Exhibition and Seminar held at Karachi, this UAV will have both air-to-air and air-to-surface laser weapon capabilities, it will have a maximum takeoff weigh of 16000tons and a flight ceiling of 915000km and its speed will be Mach 8.0. Certain
 

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Inki ek alag hi duniya h jahaan k ye bakhsha h🤣🤣🤣🤔🤔
MALE-UCAV ZF-1 Viper. The information about this Multirole Stealth drone was first revealed at International Defence Exhibition and Seminar held at Karachi, this UAV will have both air-to-air and air-to-surface laser weapon capabilities, it will have a maximum takeoff weigh of 16000tons and a flight ceiling of 915000km and its speed will be Mach 8.0. Certain
Those are some ambitious goals
Will the Pakistani awaam scientists be able to meet the deadlines?????
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Inki ek alag hi duniya h jahaan k ye bakhsha h🤣🤣🤣🤔🤔
MALE-UCAV ZF-1 Viper. The information about this Multirole Stealth drone was first revealed at International Defence Exhibition and Seminar held at Karachi, this UAV will have both air-to-air and air-to-surface laser weapon capabilities, it will have a maximum takeoff weigh of 16000tons and a flight ceiling of 915000km and its speed will be Mach 8.0. Certain
Oh Bhai ! Agar inka Science and Technology minister, hubble space telescope SUPARCO ne launch kiya hai bol sakta hai, to kya kuch nahi bol sakte hai? Tax thodi na lagtha?
 

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Hello all. I'm new here.

I have followed the Tejas saga for a decade or so including the abortive Kaveri programme.

AMCA is an aircraft where perhaps the greatest unknown is how it will be powered. Without an engine providing adequate power it will have serious shortcomings.

What is the most likely course of action?

Pay GE to increase the power of the F414? What would that cost?
Pay Safran to redesign Kaveri with more power and limited TOT? What would that cost?
Pay RR to design an engine with limited TOT? What would that cost?
A JV with an established western manufacturer with TOT thrown in? IMHO that is a fantasy.

How much did India spend on Kaveri? I think less than $500 million. I suspect that the cost of any of the above possible options may surpass the entire spend on the Kaveri programme over 15 or so years and still leave India unable to design and produce her own fast jet engine.
 

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Hello all. I'm new here.

I have followed the Tejas saga for a decade or so including the abortive Kaveri programme.

AMCA is an aircraft where perhaps the greatest unknown is how it will be powered. Without an engine providing adequate power it will have serious shortcomings.

What is the most likely course of action?

Pay GE to increase the power of the F414? What would that cost?
Pay Safran to redesign Kaveri with more power and limited TOT? What would that cost?
Pay RR to design an engine with limited TOT? What would that cost?
A JV with an established western manufacturer with TOT thrown in? IMHO that is a fantasy.

How much did India spend on Kaveri? I think less than $500 million. I suspect that the cost of any of the above possible options may surpass the entire spend on the Kaveri programme over 15 or so years and still leave India unable to design and produce her own fast jet engine.
Jv with rr with ipr is best option looking at uk economy and rr rrcent order book. Also they are part of tempest so if we can chur out them well enough through young generation scientist , it would be useful

Till then 414 is selected
 

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Jv with rr with ipr is best option looking at uk economy and rr rrcent order book. Also they are part of tempest so if we can chur out them well enough through young generation scientist , it would be useful

Till then 414 is selected
For ref at today's exchange rate:
£1 sterling = 99+ Indian rupees
£1 sterling = US$1.35+


??? RR defence order book last financial year: £5.3 billion (up 25% on previous year)


I imagine that RR would be interested in a JV and conceivably would transfer some IPR but that would not come cheap. RR spent over £1 billion on R&D (all sectors) last financial year.

F414 does not produce the 110kN needed so AMCA Mk1 is going to be underpowered. I suspect that a very substantial amount of money wiould be needed for India to get anywhere near having a fast jet engine capability.
 

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Jv with rr with ipr is best option looking at uk economy and rr rrcent order book. Also they are part of tempest so if we can chur out them well enough through young generation scientist , it would be useful

Till then 414 is selected
Does IP include complete know how and know why for the core of the engine to be developed?
 

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