Why don’t you bother reading the thread to get your answer instead of asking what has been answered? Once the aircraft is started and it’s hydraulic systems start working those weapons bays become plush, Levons and everything else that is controlled by hydraulic pressure go into neutral positions. The SU-57 was stalled because India was making unreasonable demands that would have cost long delays and cost over runs not to mention put the aircraft and the program in danger. They even wanted their own chief test pilot which is irrational and a step backwards. The Russian chief test pilot Sergei Bogdan has studied the Pak-Fa before it even flew, he has flow 55 different types of variants of aircraft including the forward swept wing experiment SU-47, he has done carrier landing and even survived crashes. India does not have anyone as qualified as Bogdan but insisted they have their own less qualified test pilot. The Russians would not want to risk handing over such a valuable aircraft to an inexperienced pilot.
what is that specifically that I said? Give specific quotes of this spinning and backing out before making false accusations.
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I then presented why an Indian test pilot was not necessary because Sukhoi had Bogdan which has more experience then any test pilots in India.
Which is absolutely pathetic, irrational and illogical.
but India does not have anyone close to Bogdan’s pedigree. Next you will probably argue India has cosmonauts with the same experience as Russia but obviously that would be impossible because India has limited experience in the space field just like India has limited experience in aircraft design as a result India does not have personnel as qualified as Russia, be it test pilots or cosmonauts.
Test pilots can be instructed or trained to fly a new aircrafts. Saying one particular nationality couldn't is a direct racial attack..... All Russian arguments are bogus just to keep Indians away from technology while getting funds along.
India wanted far more workshare in the SU-57 then they were capable of handling. If Sukhoi was foolish they would capitulate and the Indian inexperience and politics would cause another LCA or Arjun fiasco.
India wanted intellectual property in exchange of money.
I don't see Su57 flourishing very much even when India was out of it. India's maiden projects were a problem because of initial inexperience. Cycle time kept on reducing in all follow on defense projects. In case of Russian delays, it is mismanagement.
As for screwing, India gets pretty much anything it wants from Russia at a reasonable price the majority of the time and while Russia allows India to use or modify its equipment any way it chooses fit.
India buys from Russia for geopolitical reasons, not anything else. Prices end up lower than western counterparts, not reasonable at all.
Deals are inflated and threats of cancellation are given at last stages when India is running out of inventories.
As for "refit", India pays to Russian projects more than any other country. Custom modifications are nothing when cost for ToT was paid off.
If you want screwing go to France where they charge 40 million to upgrade a single Mirage.
We actually do often. France charges high but has done some substance. Systems and subsystems of our number of helicopters, planes and even our rocket engines are copies of French systems.
Or go to Uncle Sam where they threaten India with sanctions for buying equipment from Russia then turn around and give free F-16s to Pakistan to “fight terror” while charging India 3 billion for 22 helicopters, that is real screwing.
- Performance and service justifies the cost pay to them.
- India isn't very inclined to Uncle Sam either. Russia isn't reliable for quality of equipment, Uncle Sam isn't because of political orientations and sanctions.
Racial attack?
firstly my girlfriend is from India...secondly pulling the race card is pathetic especially when race has nothing to do with the topic. I never said India does not have test pilots, my argument was that Bogdan was the most qualified person to fly the SU-57. He is not only the most qualified test pilot in Russia but in the world. It would also be redundant to have another test pilot early in the programs developed. But yea, keep calling it racist especially when I have been a staunch supporter of India and their combat pilots.
Responded above.
HAL and Indian leadership is difficult to work with. Look at the MRCA mess, the Rafale fiasco, the LCA program and the Arjun program.
MRCA was a price negotiation deal, LCA and Arjun were delayed only, success rate and capabilities of systems exceeded the supposed during time of development (again for maiden projects).
Moreover, Indian leadership had paid Russia to work with it. F*ck who is better in it, experienced Russia provides least fuel efficient systems with highest crash rates, if India can't demand customization and development on its terms, there is no meaning to financially support any project. Fortunately, India realized that this project was going to be like others and pulled after little spending.
Have you ever considered it’s Indias fault for once in your life?
Indeed we do. That fault doesn't lie here however. Russia wants cash in exchange of nothing.
It's absolute truth, no matter how much they spin it.
It’s simply two different parties that disagree to terms and conditions. Not sure why you seem so effected by it.
Belonging to one of the parties may be? Why are you whining here like a salesman?
Now, stop spamming AMCA thread with Su57.
